The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[SantaFeWay]

She actually tried that?

MY GOD! No one knows what it's like the be predeceased by their son but a parent that has experienced it. I have.

I'm very sorry for your loss, Ernie. And I agree she's gotten to be even more outrageous the longer she's had her own show. This isn't the first time she's been completely clueless and insensitive with her guests. There's no excuse.

 

[Lakhota]

From the pull of the trigger to the not-guilty verdict, here's how the controversial self-defense law mattered.

Since George Zimmerman was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, conservatives have argued that Stand Your Ground, Florida's expansive and controversial self-defense law, was irrelevant to the case. After all, Zimmerman waived his right to a pretrial hearing that might have granted him immunity under the statute, and his defense team chose not to raise it during the trial. Case closed, right?

This argument might make sense if, say, you didn't pay attention to the details of the case until a few days ago. In reality, Stand Your Ground played a major role, from Martin's death to Zimmerman's acquittal. Here's how:

An armed Zimmerman knew about Stand Your Ground years ago:

How Florida authorities let Zimmerman walk:

The jury instructions—and a reason for their verdict:

Why didn't Zimmerman's defense team use Stand Your Ground?​

DETAILS (w/Supporting Links): Actually, Stand Your Ground Played a Major Role in the Trayvon Martin Case | Mother Jones - By Mark Follman and Lauren Williams

The jury instructions (page 12) and comments from juror B37 clearly show the role that Stand Your Ground played in the verdict.

 

[Gadawg73]

The whining and crying about the outcome of this trial is beginning to be offensive. The man was proven innocent by a jury of his peers. I ask everyone here…If you had a younger and stronger person sitting on your chest hitting you and slamming your head into the ground and then he appears to be going for your gun…What would you do? I feel like I live in crazyland. My own President can’t even get past this. It’s just flat out Ridiculous…

Defendants are never proven innocent at a jury trial.
Not guilty means that the government who has 100% of the burden of proof can not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Defendants are all presumed innocent.

 

[Ernie S.]

Ben was nearly 17. He would be 41 today, so It's been a while

 

[RetiredGySgt]

From the pull of the trigger to the not-guilty verdict, here's how the controversial self-defense law mattered.

Since George Zimmerman was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, conservatives have argued that Stand Your Ground, Florida's expansive and controversial self-defense law, was irrelevant to the case. After all, Zimmerman waived his right to a pretrial hearing that might have granted him immunity under the statute, and his defense team chose not to raise it during the trial. Case closed, right?

This argument might make sense if, say, you didn't pay attention to the details of the case until a few days ago. In reality, Stand Your Ground played a major role, from Martin's death to Zimmerman's acquittal. Here's how:

An armed Zimmerman knew about Stand Your Ground years ago:

How Florida authorities let Zimmerman walk:

The jury instructions—and a reason for their verdict:

Why didn't Zimmerman's defense team use Stand Your Ground?​

DETAILS (w/Supporting Links): Actually, Stand Your Ground Played a Major Role in the Trayvon Martin Case | Mother Jones - By Mark Follman and Lauren Williams

The jury instructions (page 12) and comments from juror B37 clearly show the role that Stand Your Ground played in the verdict.

The only role it will play is in invalidating any civil claims.

 

[The T]

Obama: Trayvon Martin ?could have been me 35 years ago?

While i voted for Obama both times this is un-presidential! The commander and chief shouldn't be getting involved and turning an already volatile situation even worse and making it more racial.

Anything worth doing is worth doing well.

This is Obama's thing after all.


Imagine his chances if we all had known this about him before he was elected, huh??

LOL! The sirens sounded...but some didn't heed the warning...but some are now regretting voting for a petulant tyrant twice?

~Go figure...

 

[testarosa]

Andrea Sneiderman is next for me.

I think she's going to beat the most serious charges against her.

I think she's going down

I finally found you all here

You were lost but now we're found!!

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

We are on a rapid descent into an oligarchy run by liberal elites presiding over the nanny state they proudly created.

We will only have what they allow everyone to have. We will only eat what they feel is best for everyone to eat. We will have no need for SYG because whose ground is it really? It's everybody's ground and how dare you presume to claim it over another? We will need to be disarmed because we might need to protect ourselves from the protectors or the truly protected and they just cannot have that possible insurrection.

But I'm not a conspiracy theorist either.

Freedom is only as good as that which is allowed.

Is that your dog in the AV? That's my Muffin in mine.

 

[testarosa]

She actually tried that?

MY GOD! No one knows what it's like the be predeceased by their son but a parent that has experienced it. I have.

Oh God. Ernie. So so sorry.

Sorry isn't adequate and no other word is either.

 

[SantaFeWay]

What's cookin', Tess?

I'm trying to get completely exhausted so I don't lay in bed thinking about work.

 

[dilloduck]

No worries. Sharpton will get justice for Trayvon.

 

[Gadawg73]

But according to GADAWG, you have the right to shoot someone just because they hit you. That's it.

It doesn't work like that, you have to be in fear of your life.

We do not live in the wild wild West anymore. Those days are long gone.

I love this quote.

So I give a statement to police and/or testify in Florida "He hit me and it made me fear for my life".
And under the law in Florida the Judge charges the jury that since I testified to that or my statement TO POLICE is that the jury IS TO ASSUME I AM TELLING THE TRUTH.
And if the government can not prove otherwise it is self defense.
You and MarcATL are either too stupid to know that or you ignore it because you believe you can keep conning everyone else other than us.
Where do you fall? Do you acknowledge the law and the duty of a juror to follow Judge's instructions or are you still agreeing with media that it is best to lie and twist the facts for your personal beliefs to be heard?

 

[SantaFeWay]

We are on a rapid descent into an oligarchy run by liberal elites presiding over the nanny state they proudly created.

We will only have what they allow everyone to have. We will only eat what they feel is best for everyone to eat. We will have no need for SYG because whose ground is it really? It's everybody's ground and how dare you presume to claim it over another? We will need to be disarmed because we might need to protect ourselves from the protectors or the truly protected and they just cannot have that possible insurrection.

But I'm not a conspiracy theorist either.

Freedom is only as good as that which is allowed.

Is that your dog in the AV? That's my Muffin in mine.

Yes. That's Bear. He's a rescue pup. We got his mom at the same time in 2009. He's originally from Puerto Rico. Mom was a junkyard dog. She's a sweetie and he's a fluffy ball of feisty furriness. And I love his smile! His mom smiles too, finally. She's deaf. Sorry...don't get me started about the pups.

 

[testarosa]

What's cookin', Tess?

I'm trying to get completely exhausted so I don't lay in bed thinking about work.

I was having an education fit in another thread.

Packed up and ready for snorkeling and crystal clear waters at the crack of dawn! No idea what I'm still up for. Too too much on my mind with work and other unsettling work stuff still leftover. Mini vacation then next week maybe a bigger one.

Did you get DH trained? whoops! loaded question
xo

 

[Pop23]

No blacks on the left will say that TM punched GZ, or that he was beating his head on the concrete. They paint the picture that TM was just a boy walking home when a WHITE hipanic stalked him down to murder him.

TM was a criminal thug who fucked with the wrong dude.

Blacks want to remain victims. Obama wants to keep that at the forefront for political profit.

Do you ever see any other racial leaders playing the race card? No you don't; it's always blacks. The other races don't see themselves as victims, and they do very well.

Has any of that been proven in a court of law? Because GZ was found not-guilty, doesn't automatically make TM guilty. You want fairness one way, but refuse to be even handed. Any wonder people are saying racism is at play in this controversy?

Let's take race out of this. Both were white. The armed older man DOES NOT draw his weapon and shoot. The younger man pummels the older man causing serious injury, maybe even death.

Do you still defend the young man?

 

[Plasmaball]

Well this wasnt a stupid waste of time..

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

We are on a rapid descent into an oligarchy run by liberal elites presiding over the nanny state they proudly created.

We will only have what they allow everyone to have. We will only eat what they feel is best for everyone to eat. We will have no need for SYG because whose ground is it really? It's everybody's ground and how dare you presume to claim it over another? We will need to be disarmed because we might need to protect ourselves from the protectors or the truly protected and they just cannot have that possible insurrection.

But I'm not a conspiracy theorist either.

Freedom is only as good as that which is allowed.

Is that your dog in the AV? That's my Muffin in mine.

Yes. That's Bear. He's a rescue pup. We got his mom at the same time in 2009. He's originally from Puerto Rico. Mom was a junkyard dog. She's a sweetie and he's a fluffy ball of feisty furriness. And I love his smile! His mom smiles too, finally. She's deaf. Sorry...don't get me started about the pups.

We got Muffin as a little tiny puppy from a neighbor in 2008.

Yea, I it's funny how the smile on Bear caught my eye. I love it when they smile. Give a hug for me. Thanks.

 

[SantaFeWay]

What's cookin', Tess?

I'm trying to get completely exhausted so I don't lay in bed thinking about work.

I was having an education fit in another thread.

Packed up and ready for snorkeling and crystal clear waters at the crack of dawn! No idea what I'm still up for. Too too much on my mind with work and other unsettling work stuff still leftover. Mini vacation then next week maybe a bigger one.

Did you get DH trained? whoops! loaded question
xo

He's getting there. I just have orders to place via web and some sites are down. We need product but I'll have to call the orders in on Monday if they don't come back up over the weekend. That will delay shipments. Don't want shortages. And I don't want to spend the weekend remembering to check the web. I would like to r.e.l.a.x.

Lucky you! Lots of fun! Just enjoy it cuz the work will still be there later. Snorkeling is so relaxing. It makes me, at least, concentrate on my breathing and just floating there. I'm a calm snorkeler. Some people dive down there but I like to float along the surface and observe.

And now I want to snorkel but I can't.

 

[mudwhistle]

No blacks on the left will say that TM punched GZ, or that he was beating his head on the concrete. They paint the picture that TM was just a boy walking home when a WHITE hipanic stalked him down to murder him.

TM was a criminal thug who fucked with the wrong dude.

Blacks want to remain victims. Obama wants to keep that at the forefront for political profit.

Do you ever see any other racial leaders playing the race card? No you don't; it's always blacks. The other races don't see themselves as victims, and they do very well.

Has any of that been proven in a court of law? Because GZ was found not-guilty, doesn't automatically make TM guilty. You want fairness one way, but refuse to be even handed. Any wonder people are saying racism is at play in this controversy?

Let's take race out of this. Both were white. The armed older man DOES NOT draw his weapon and shoot. The younger man pummels the older man causing serious injury, maybe even death.

Do you still defend the young man?

Hey, hey, hey,.......what's important is the image it portrays, not the reality of it.

Blacks have this 2X4 on their collective shoulders and they want somebody to knock it off.

 

[testarosa]

What's cookin', Tess?

I'm trying to get completely exhausted so I don't lay in bed thinking about work.

I was having an education fit in another thread.

Packed up and ready for snorkeling and crystal clear waters at the crack of dawn! No idea what I'm still up for. Too too much on my mind with work and other unsettling work stuff still leftover. Mini vacation then next week maybe a bigger one.

Did you get DH trained? whoops! loaded question
xo

He's getting there. I just have orders to place via web and some sites are down. We need product but I'll have to call the orders in on Monday if they don't come back up over the weekend. That will delay shipments. Don't want shortages. And I don't want to spend the weekend remembering to check the web. I would like to r.e.l.a.x.

Lucky you! Lots of fun! Just enjoy it cuz the work will still be there later. Snorkeling is so relaxing. It makes me, at least, concentrate on my breathing and just floating there. I'm a calm snorkeler. Some people dive down there but I like to float along the surface and observe.

And now I want to snorkel but I can't.

Ummmm If you need help with a) pm me.... I kinda know that stuff. ;-)