The official USMB "Crime is down" thread

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The democrats keep insisting that "crime is down". Conservatives say that the numbers are lies. Perhaps the stats are being deliberately miscounted. Perhaps crimes aren't being reported as much now. Perhaps the left is full of it. So without further delay..... the USMB Crime Is Down Thread.

Videos only. We want all of this on tape so nobody can accuse us of "misinformation".

We start the thread with Amazon Crime Day in Chicago.
 
The democrats keep insisting that "crime is down". Conservatives say that the numbers are lies. Perhaps the stats are being deliberately miscounted. Perhaps crimes aren't being reported as much now. Perhaps the left is full of it. So without further delay..... the USMB Crime Is Down Thread.

Videos only. We want all of this on tape so nobody can accuse us of "misinformation".

We start the thread with Amazon Crime Day in Chicago.

Anecdotal crap doesn't change overall numbers.

Cool story though.
 
The democrats keep insisting that "crime is down". Conservatives say that the numbers are lies. Perhaps the stats are being deliberately miscounted. Perhaps crimes aren't being reported as much now. Perhaps the left is full of it. So without further delay..... the USMB Crime Is Down Thread.

Videos only. We want all of this on tape so nobody can accuse us of "misinformation".

We start the thread with Amazon Crime Day in Chicago.

Who in the hell is "us" again?
 
Anecdotal crap doesn't change overall numbers.

Cool story though.
This is why you vote for who the establishment tells you to. Because you are always so woefully ignornat about reality.

Even sources lefties go to should know you lie.



Hell, this one?

Even one of the official "fact-checking," organizations, the Poynter Institute has debunked that crime is down. And the debunking was run in both NPR and USA today.

". . .

The FBI is about to release incomplete and inadequate crime statistics​

Here’s a guide for journalists who want to use them and members of the public who want to understand them.​

October 5, 2022

"The FBI will release its first full report on crime trends in the United States today based exclusively on its new incident reporting system. The report traditionally drops the last Monday of September, but it did not appear last week.

This new National Incident-Based Reporting System will be fertile ground for those who want to distort or exaggerate crime trends for political or commercial reasons. And, it lays bare a dirty secret about counting crime in the United States: As a nation, we keep horrible, incomplete data that makes it impossible to get an accurate sense of the scope or impact of crime. . . "

<snip>

". . .Incomplete data:A full third of all the police agencies in the U.S. did not submit any data to the FBI for this report, including some of the largest cities in the country. As a result, the FBI will fill in the blanks with estimates as it calculates national, state and regional crime trends and provide confidence intervals for those estimates. In short, each crime statistic published by the FBI will be presented as a range of possible values rather than as a specific number. Reporters using the data will have to check the notes to see if trends for their local areas are based on actual data or estimates. If estimates are involved, it will be critical to include a clear caveat describing the margin of error.

<snip>

". . . Unaudited and unreliable: There are no checks and balances on the gathering of this data. No third party routinely audits law enforcement agencies to ensure they are counting crimes accurately. As a result, there are inconsistencies from agency to agency about what counts as reported crimes. And there are numerous examples of police using bureaucratic smokescreens to deliberately manipulate crime numbers, sometimes to make crime seem scarier, sometimes to make crime seem to be less of a problem, sometimes to make it seem like they are solving more crimes, and sometimes to undercount specific types of crimes. . . . "


FBI releases 2021 crime data, but it lacks information from major police agencies​


". . . The FBI reported a 4.3% estimated increase in murders in 2021 and a negligible 1% decrease in overall violent crime Wednesday, relying on an alternate reporting system. At the same time, officials acknowledged about 48% of the country's eligible police agencies, or 9,700, had not submitted 12 months of data to the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) by the March 14 deadline.

Some of the largest agencies in the country, including the New York Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and Phoenix Police Department, had yet to submit any data to the system, the officials said.

Federal authorities said all of the jurisdictions have committed to providing the information, yet some agencies are operating on timelines slowed by a lack of funding, personnel shortages or delays in acquiring technology. . . ."





The FBI's new crime report is in, but it's incomplete​


October 5, 2022 4:20 PM ET

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

"Crime is a huge topic in elections this November, and the FBI has now entered the chat. It has just released the Crime in the Nation report for 2021. But the bureau switched the way it collects crime data this year, and many police departments did not get on board. Los Angeles and New York City did not report to the FBI. In fact, only 63% of the country's police departments submitted anything, and some of the data that was submitted was incomplete. Weihua Li of The Marshall Project has been poring over the FBI's findings. Hey there.. . "


<snip>
". . LI: Yeah, for sure. So we have some states like California and Florida, where almost no agency in that state submitted any data to the FBI. And there are also a lot of larger cities. You know, the largest police department, New York Police Department, didn't submit anything to the FBI. So a lot of blind spots.

KELLY: A lot of blind spots. I mean, I'm wondering how accurate the numbers can possibly be if - just to take the two biggest cities in the country, New York and LA, they didn't report at all.

LI: Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good question. And it's something that criminologists and people who work in criminal justice have been very worried about for a while now. So the FBI is used to receiving data from more than 90% of police departments across the country. But like you said earlier, in 2021, because they changed their data collection method, the number have dropped to roughly 60%. So instead of saying a finite number, you know, X number of crimes took place, they're saying we think the range of crime that took place in 2021 is somewhere between Y and Z. So for violent crime, property crime and homicides, the number of crimes could have gone up, gone down or stayed the same. We really don't know. . . "







Yet Kamala & Joe supporters keep repeating the lie that crime has gone done. :rolleyes:
 
This is why you vote for who the establishment tells you to. Because you are always so woefully ignornat about reality.

Even sources lefties go to should know you lie.



Hell, this one?

Even one of the official "fact-checking," organizations, the Poynter Institute has debunked that crime is down. And the debunking was run in both NPR and USA today.

". . .

The FBI is about to release incomplete and inadequate crime statistics​

Here’s a guide for journalists who want to use them and members of the public who want to understand them.​

October 5, 2022

"The FBI will release its first full report on crime trends in the United States today based exclusively on its new incident reporting system. The report traditionally drops the last Monday of September, but it did not appear last week.

This new National Incident-Based Reporting System will be fertile ground for those who want to distort or exaggerate crime trends for political or commercial reasons. And, it lays bare a dirty secret about counting crime in the United States: As a nation, we keep horrible, incomplete data that makes it impossible to get an accurate sense of the scope or impact of crime. . . "

<snip>

". . .Incomplete data:A full third of all the police agencies in the U.S. did not submit any data to the FBI for this report, including some of the largest cities in the country. As a result, the FBI will fill in the blanks with estimates as it calculates national, state and regional crime trends and provide confidence intervals for those estimates. In short, each crime statistic published by the FBI will be presented as a range of possible values rather than as a specific number. Reporters using the data will have to check the notes to see if trends for their local areas are based on actual data or estimates. If estimates are involved, it will be critical to include a clear caveat describing the margin of error.

<snip>

". . . Unaudited and unreliable: There are no checks and balances on the gathering of this data. No third party routinely audits law enforcement agencies to ensure they are counting crimes accurately. As a result, there are inconsistencies from agency to agency about what counts as reported crimes. And there are numerous examples of police using bureaucratic smokescreens to deliberately manipulate crime numbers, sometimes to make crime seem scarier, sometimes to make crime seem to be less of a problem, sometimes to make it seem like they are solving more crimes, and sometimes to undercount specific types of crimes. . . . "


FBI releases 2021 crime data, but it lacks information from major police agencies​


". . . The FBI reported a 4.3% estimated increase in murders in 2021 and a negligible 1% decrease in overall violent crime Wednesday, relying on an alternate reporting system. At the same time, officials acknowledged about 48% of the country's eligible police agencies, or 9,700, had not submitted 12 months of data to the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) by the March 14 deadline.

Some of the largest agencies in the country, including the New York Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and Phoenix Police Department, had yet to submit any data to the system, the officials said.

Federal authorities said all of the jurisdictions have committed to providing the information, yet some agencies are operating on timelines slowed by a lack of funding, personnel shortages or delays in acquiring technology. . . ."





The FBI's new crime report is in, but it's incomplete​


October 5, 2022 4:20 PM ET

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

"Crime is a huge topic in elections this November, and the FBI has now entered the chat. It has just released the Crime in the Nation report for 2021. But the bureau switched the way it collects crime data this year, and many police departments did not get on board. Los Angeles and New York City did not report to the FBI. In fact, only 63% of the country's police departments submitted anything, and some of the data that was submitted was incomplete. Weihua Li of The Marshall Project has been poring over the FBI's findings. Hey there.. . "


<snip>
". . LI: Yeah, for sure. So we have some states like California and Florida, where almost no agency in that state submitted any data to the FBI. And there are also a lot of larger cities. You know, the largest police department, New York Police Department, didn't submit anything to the FBI. So a lot of blind spots.

KELLY: A lot of blind spots. I mean, I'm wondering how accurate the numbers can possibly be if - just to take the two biggest cities in the country, New York and LA, they didn't report at all.

LI: Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good question. And it's something that criminologists and people who work in criminal justice have been very worried about for a while now. So the FBI is used to receiving data from more than 90% of police departments across the country. But like you said earlier, in 2021, because they changed their data collection method, the number have dropped to roughly 60%. So instead of saying a finite number, you know, X number of crimes took place, they're saying we think the range of crime that took place in 2021 is somewhere between Y and Z. So for violent crime, property crime and homicides, the number of crimes could have gone up, gone down or stayed the same. We really don't know. . . "







Yet Kamala & Joe supporters keep repeating the lie that crime has gone done. :rolleyes:



I did not read all of that- I likely will though, so thanks.

Democrats would deny water is wet if they heard a Republican say it.
 
LOL Lefty's already nervous about this thread. Fact is you never saw brazen crimes like this until about 4 years ago.
Nervous about correcting RWNJ bullshit?

Why would I be?

I do this all the time.
 
This is why you vote for who the establishment tells you to. Because you are always so woefully ignornat about reality.

Even sources lefties go to should know you lie.



Hell, this one?

Even one of the official "fact-checking," organizations, the Poynter Institute has debunked that crime is down. And the debunking was run in both NPR and USA today.

". . .

The FBI is about to release incomplete and inadequate crime statistics​

Here’s a guide for journalists who want to use them and members of the public who want to understand them.​

October 5, 2022

"The FBI will release its first full report on crime trends in the United States today based exclusively on its new incident reporting system. The report traditionally drops the last Monday of September, but it did not appear last week.

This new National Incident-Based Reporting System will be fertile ground for those who want to distort or exaggerate crime trends for political or commercial reasons. And, it lays bare a dirty secret about counting crime in the United States: As a nation, we keep horrible, incomplete data that makes it impossible to get an accurate sense of the scope or impact of crime. . . "

<snip>

". . .Incomplete data:A full third of all the police agencies in the U.S. did not submit any data to the FBI for this report, including some of the largest cities in the country. As a result, the FBI will fill in the blanks with estimates as it calculates national, state and regional crime trends and provide confidence intervals for those estimates. In short, each crime statistic published by the FBI will be presented as a range of possible values rather than as a specific number. Reporters using the data will have to check the notes to see if trends for their local areas are based on actual data or estimates. If estimates are involved, it will be critical to include a clear caveat describing the margin of error.

<snip>

". . . Unaudited and unreliable: There are no checks and balances on the gathering of this data. No third party routinely audits law enforcement agencies to ensure they are counting crimes accurately. As a result, there are inconsistencies from agency to agency about what counts as reported crimes. And there are numerous examples of police using bureaucratic smokescreens to deliberately manipulate crime numbers, sometimes to make crime seem scarier, sometimes to make crime seem to be less of a problem, sometimes to make it seem like they are solving more crimes, and sometimes to undercount specific types of crimes. . . . "


FBI releases 2021 crime data, but it lacks information from major police agencies​


". . . The FBI reported a 4.3% estimated increase in murders in 2021 and a negligible 1% decrease in overall violent crime Wednesday, relying on an alternate reporting system. At the same time, officials acknowledged about 48% of the country's eligible police agencies, or 9,700, had not submitted 12 months of data to the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) by the March 14 deadline.

Some of the largest agencies in the country, including the New York Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and Phoenix Police Department, had yet to submit any data to the system, the officials said.

Federal authorities said all of the jurisdictions have committed to providing the information, yet some agencies are operating on timelines slowed by a lack of funding, personnel shortages or delays in acquiring technology. . . ."





The FBI's new crime report is in, but it's incomplete​


October 5, 2022 4:20 PM ET

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

"Crime is a huge topic in elections this November, and the FBI has now entered the chat. It has just released the Crime in the Nation report for 2021. But the bureau switched the way it collects crime data this year, and many police departments did not get on board. Los Angeles and New York City did not report to the FBI. In fact, only 63% of the country's police departments submitted anything, and some of the data that was submitted was incomplete. Weihua Li of The Marshall Project has been poring over the FBI's findings. Hey there.. . "


<snip>
". . LI: Yeah, for sure. So we have some states like California and Florida, where almost no agency in that state submitted any data to the FBI. And there are also a lot of larger cities. You know, the largest police department, New York Police Department, didn't submit anything to the FBI. So a lot of blind spots.

KELLY: A lot of blind spots. I mean, I'm wondering how accurate the numbers can possibly be if - just to take the two biggest cities in the country, New York and LA, they didn't report at all.

LI: Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good question. And it's something that criminologists and people who work in criminal justice have been very worried about for a while now. So the FBI is used to receiving data from more than 90% of police departments across the country. But like you said earlier, in 2021, because they changed their data collection method, the number have dropped to roughly 60%. So instead of saying a finite number, you know, X number of crimes took place, they're saying we think the range of crime that took place in 2021 is somewhere between Y and Z. So for violent crime, property crime and homicides, the number of crimes could have gone up, gone down or stayed the same. We really don't know. . . "







Yet Kamala & Joe supporters keep repeating the lie that crime has gone done. :rolleyes:

YOu should have saved yourself all the typing and just said:

conspiracy4.gif
 
The democrats keep insisting that "crime is down". Conservatives say that the numbers are lies. Perhaps the stats are being deliberately miscounted. Perhaps crimes aren't being reported as much now. Perhaps the left is full of it. So without further delay..... the USMB Crime Is Down Thread.

Videos only. We want all of this on tape so nobody can accuse us of "misinformation".
A NINE MINUTE video in the NYC Subway system and not one crime was recorded! I guess that shows crime is down?
 

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