The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[P F Tinmore]

Settler colonialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 1967, the French historian Maxime Rodinson wrote an article later translated and published in English as Israel: A Colonial Settler-State?[83] Lorenzo Veracini describes Israel as a colonial state and writes that Jewish settlers could expel the British in 1948 only because they had their own colonial relationships inside and outside Israel's new borders.[84] Veracini believes the possibility of an Israeli disengagement is always latent and this relationship could be severed, through an "accommodation of a Palestinian Israeli autonomy within the institutions of the Israeli state".[85] Other commentators, such as Daiva Stasiulis, Nira Yuval-Davis,[86] and Joseph Massad in the "Post Colonial Colony: time, space and bodies in Palestine/ Israel in the persistence of the Palestinian Question"[87] have included Israel in their global analysis of settler societies. Ilan Pappé describes Zionism and Israel in similar terms.[88][89] Scholar Amal Jamal, from Tel Aviv University, has stated, "Israel was created by a settler-colonial movement of Jewish immigrants".[90]

 

[Hollie]

Palestinian Settler-Colonialism

The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ea

besacenter.org

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ease. In contrast, historical and genealogical evidence shows Palestinians descend primarily from three primary groups: Muslim invaders, Arab immigrants, and local converts to Islam. The Muslim conquest of Byzantine Palestine in the 7th century CE is a textbook example of settler-colonialism, as is subsequent immigration, particularly during the 19th and 20th centuries under the Ottoman and British Empires. The application of the concept to Jews and Zionism by Palestinians is both ironic and unhelpful.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian Settler-Colonialism

The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ea

besacenter.org

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ease. In contrast, historical and genealogical evidence shows Palestinians descend primarily from three primary groups: Muslim invaders, Arab immigrants, and local converts to Islam. The Muslim conquest of Byzantine Palestine in the 7th century CE is a textbook example of settler-colonialism, as is subsequent immigration, particularly during the 19th and 20th centuries under the Ottoman and British Empires. The application of the concept to Jews and Zionism by Palestinians is both ironic and unhelpful.

How many Jews in Israel can trace their ancestors back to the Levant?

 

[Hollie]

Palestinian Settler-Colonialism

The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ea

besacenter.org

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ease. In contrast, historical and genealogical evidence shows Palestinians descend primarily from three primary groups: Muslim invaders, Arab immigrants, and local converts to Islam. The Muslim conquest of Byzantine Palestine in the 7th century CE is a textbook example of settler-colonialism, as is subsequent immigration, particularly during the 19th and 20th centuries under the Ottoman and British Empires. The application of the concept to Jews and Zionism by Palestinians is both ironic and unhelpful.

How many Jews in Israel can trace their ancestors back to the Levant?

How many?

 

[Lee Edwin]

Rachel Busbridge on Israel-Palestine and the Settler Colonial ‘Turn’

Jews are settlers?

First century Jewish city in Israel and synagogue, including menorah and depiction of Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, believed to be where Jesus preached

 

[Lee Edwin]

Palestinian Settler-Colonialism

The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ea

besacenter.org

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ease. In contrast, historical and genealogical evidence shows Palestinians descend primarily from three primary groups: Muslim invaders, Arab immigrants, and local converts to Islam. The Muslim conquest of Byzantine Palestine in the 7th century CE is a textbook example of settler-colonialism, as is subsequent immigration, particularly during the 19th and 20th centuries under the Ottoman and British Empires. The application of the concept to Jews and Zionism by Palestinians is both ironic and unhelpful.

How many Jews in Israel can trace their ancestors back to the Levant?

DNA research indicates Jews are genetically linked to Israel...

 

[Lee Edwin]

Settler colonialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 1967, the French historian Maxime Rodinson wrote an article later translated and published in English as Israel: A Colonial Settler-State?[83] Lorenzo Veracini describes Israel as a colonial state and writes that Jewish settlers could expel the British in 1948 only because they had their own colonial relationships inside and outside Israel's new borders.[84] Veracini believes the possibility of an Israeli disengagement is always latent and this relationship could be severed, through an "accommodation of a Palestinian Israeli autonomy within the institutions of the Israeli state".[85] Other commentators, such as Daiva Stasiulis, Nira Yuval-Davis,[86] and Joseph Massad in the "Post Colonial Colony: time, space and bodies in Palestine/ Israel in the persistence of the Palestinian Question"[87] have included Israel in their global analysis of settler societies. Ilan Pappé describes Zionism and Israel in similar terms.[88][89] Scholar Amal Jamal, from Tel Aviv University, has stated, "Israel was created by a settler-colonial movement of Jewish immigrants".[90]

Israel a colonial state? Ancient Jewish Temple in Jerusalem plundered in the Roman Empire—There weren’t any palestinians. Yeah, Jews have a really long history in their homeland...

 

[Lee Edwin]

Palestinian Settler-Colonialism

The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ea

besacenter.org

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The concept of “settler colonialism” has been applied with almost unique vehemence against Israel. But the fact that Jews are the indigenous population of the Southern Levant can be proved with ease. In contrast, historical and genealogical evidence shows Palestinians descend primarily from three primary groups: Muslim invaders, Arab immigrants, and local converts to Islam. The Muslim conquest of Byzantine Palestine in the 7th century CE is a textbook example of settler-colonialism, as is subsequent immigration, particularly during the 19th and 20th centuries under the Ottoman and British Empires. The application of the concept to Jews and Zionism by Palestinians is both ironic and unhelpful.

Where were palestinians in this BBC documentary on Jews’ rebellion in Judea (“land of the Jews”) against the occupying Roman Empire about 2,000 years ago? Nowhere, palestinians didn’t exist until a few years ago...

 

[rylah]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Here is testimony from Eliahu Eliachar, the founder of the World Sephardi Foundation and a co-founder and vice president of the World Sephardi Federation, speaking before the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP), held at the YMCA in Jerusalem, July 15, 1947.

It is a good summary of the situation of Jews in Arab countries at the time.

Notably, Eliachar was a peacenik, wanting dialogue with Palestinians and a Palestinian state in the West Bank in the 1970s. He was also deputy mayor of Jerusalem

The meeting was held in private, as Eliachar explains, so as not to endanger the Jews in Arab countries further.

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It is through you that we are in duty bound to sound the alarm, and call upon the human conscience of the world to take stock before it is too late. What has happened under the Nazi regime in the West may happen under the rule of certain Governments, Members of the United Nations Organization. Many hundreds of thousands of Jews look up to you, Honourable Gentlemen, to prevent a repetition of massacres such as those in Baghdad under Rashid Ali, when hundreds were killed, or in Tripolitania under the British flag of occupation, where 120 men, women and children were brutally butchered. It is an open secret that the Arab League and the Arab Government consider the Jews in their realms as hostages for the Palestine problem. They have declared this openly. If you require any evidence, we have the evidence with us. We do not want to take too much of your time, but if you want any evidence on these statements made by the Arab League, made by various governments, made by Dr. Jamali, the Foreign Minister of Iraq, we are ready to give them. Jew-hatred and Jew-baiting is growing daily in almost all Arab countries. What has happened once in Baghdad, Tripolitania, Urfa, the boundary of Syria and Turkey where a whole family was massacred overnight, in Egypt, what happened on 2nd November, 1945, Balfour Declaration Day, may happen again with increased violence.
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Our present position in Palestine is degrading. From free citizens we were turned — I am speaking of the Jewish population of this country — into second-rate citizens by the White Paper of 1939, and this, against all provisions of the Mandate and contrary to our own status under Turkish law. There are closed zones established by the Mandatory; these were open to us before the British occupation. Such is Transjordan, such are other zones in Palestine itself, details of which were given to you by our official spokesmen

(full article online)

UN testimony on antisemitism in the Arab world, 1947

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

Occupation of Palestine started in 1948

The June 1967 Arab-Israeli War resulted in a vast expansion of the Zionist colonial project in Palestine, a seizure of territory that much of the world recognizes as an illegal occupation.

www.workers.org

That first occupation began with a project calling itself the State of Israel. Its armed wing is known as the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). It occupied Western Palestine in 1948 and still does to this day.

 

[Hollie]

Occupation of Palestine started in 1948

The June 1967 Arab-Israeli War resulted in a vast expansion of the Zionist colonial project in Palestine, a seizure of territory that much of the world recognizes as an illegal occupation.

www.workers.org

That first occupation began with a project calling itself the State of Israel. Its armed wing is known as the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). It occupied Western Palestine in 1948 and still does to this day.

Was that the topic delivered by your Imam during Friday prayers at your madrassah?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Green Olive + Zochrot discuss the nakba, refugees and more​

 

[Sixties Fan]

Beyond a retelling of the 1948 war, “Above and Beyond” examines the motivations of the foreign volunteers—who were both Jews and non-Jews.

It mines the tensions between the Israelis and the Machal foreign volunteers. It reveals how desperately Israel needed planes and pilots at the time. And in recounting the personal stories of the American Jewish pilots, whose experiences in Israel were life-altering, the film is a story of Jewish identity.

“The tremendous historical, unbearable clash of the Holocaust and the birth of the state of Israel, and the loud cacophony that happened between those two events, shook these pilots into a Jewish identity that they might not have otherwise had,” Grossman says.

(full article online)

The Story of Jewish American Pilots Who Fought for Israel in 1948 | United with Israel

Nancy Spielberg, sister of famed director Steven, has produced a new documentary focusing on the Jewish American pilots who volunteered to fight in Israel's War of Independence.

unitedwithisrael.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

Fr Jovan (Culibrk), Serbian Orthodox Bishop of Lipljan in Kosovo, spoke about how the Bosnian Muslim SS troops, sent by former communist Croatian Yugoslav dictator Josip Broz Tito, fought against Israel. 1948., one of the first major battle for the independence of Israel was at a fortress, Castel, between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. On the Israeli side had fought a great general who later defended Israel in the war 1973rd year., David Dado Elazar, born in Sarajevo. A great soldier, a real soldier! Than he was very young soldier, as the second to last train ran from Yugoslavia before Hitler entered into it. Suddenly he heard a language with which he grew up, and in which language he wrote his only song in his life: Serbian! How was that possible? On the opposite side, against the Israelis fought one Bosnian Muslim battalion of the Handzar SS Division, which Tito had sent to fight against the newborn state of Israel. The only difference was in the fact that instead of the former SS officers they were now led by Communist officers. Of course, Bosnian Muslims were not allowed to be punished after World War II for what they did, but were sent to finish what they had learned. Handzar Division, as the SS Division, after working in Balcans and Europe need to finish the job in Israel. One of the surviving members of the Bosnian Muslim SS Handzar Division now lives in a crisis area in Lebanon. A few years ago, he spoke about the mission in which they were sent by Tito from the camp where the prisoners were after the Second World War.

(vide video online)

 

[Sixties Fan]

The British authorities were supposed to protect the homes. They didn't - Arabs broke into a synagogue and defiled the Torah there several months later:




UPDATE: Here is the letter from British officials about the evacuation - and the expectation that the Jews would return shortly. (h/t Stephen)




(full article online)

When the British evacuated the Jews from Silwan (UPDATE)

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[Rigby5]

Fr Jovan (Culibrk), Serbian Orthodox Bishop of Lipljan in Kosovo, spoke about how the Bosnian Muslim SS troops, sent by former communist Croatian Yugoslav dictator Josip Broz Tito, fought against Israel. 1948., one of the first major battle for the independence of Israel was at a fortress, Castel, between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. On the Israeli side had fought a great general who later defended Israel in the war 1973rd year., David Dado Elazar, born in Sarajevo. A great soldier, a real soldier! Than he was very young soldier, as the second to last train ran from Yugoslavia before Hitler entered into it. Suddenly he heard a language with which he grew up, and in which language he wrote his only song in his life: Serbian! How was that possible? On the opposite side, against the Israelis fought one Bosnian Muslim battalion of the Handzar SS Division, which Tito had sent to fight against the newborn state of Israel. The only difference was in the fact that instead of the former SS officers they were now led by Communist officers. Of course, Bosnian Muslims were not allowed to be punished after World War II for what they did, but were sent to finish what they had learned. Handzar Division, as the SS Division, after working in Balcans and Europe need to finish the job in Israel. One of the surviving members of the Bosnian Muslim SS Handzar Division now lives in a crisis area in Lebanon. A few years ago, he spoke about the mission in which they were sent by Tito from the camp where the prisoners were after the Second World War.

(vide video online)

False propaganda.
Bosnian Moslems are Turks, not really religious, and had nothing to do with the Mideast.
And Israel lost the 1948 war.
The 1948 borders were created by the UN, not by Israel winning anything.
What Israel did fight for was an attempt to capture Jerusalem, because Jerusalem was not included in the UN partition.
And Israel totally lost and had to withdraw.
And Tito never sent troops into the 1948 conflict.

 

[Rigby5]

The British authorities were supposed to protect the homes. They didn't - Arabs broke into a synagogue and defiled the Torah there several months later:




UPDATE: Here is the letter from British officials about the evacuation - and the expectation that the Jews would return shortly. (h/t Stephen)




(full article online)

When the British evacuated the Jews from Silwan (UPDATE)

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

That is ridiculous lies.
The fact the British left was because the Zionist murder them.
The Zionists blew up the King David Hotel, wiping out the British peacekeeper headquarters.
And just to ensure the UN did not try to protect the Palestinians from the murdering Zionists, they shot down the UN Moderator, Folke Berndotte, in the street.
That prevented anyone from interferring with the massacre of Arab villages by the Zionists.
If you don't know the history, just look up the massacre of Dier Yassin, since that was recorded by famous people like Albert Einstein.

Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not pretty to read about.
The Zionist went from home to home, using grenades for their genocide.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Model Bella Hadid’s Instagram page has been filled with anti-Israel and anti-Semitic content, including abject lies.

One of her more recent posts shows how clueless she actually is about “Palestine.”

Hadid posted a picture from 1939 of a soccer team in “Palestine,” commenting with the text “so cool” and a heart emoji. But what she didn’t realize is that the players were all Jews with Hebrew logos on their shirts.

(full article online)

https://unitedwithisrael.org/watch-israel-hating-celeb-exposes-shocking-ignorance-about-palestine/?utm_source=newsletters_unitedwithisrael_org&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Israel+to+UK%3A+Let+Us+Save+2-Year+Old’s+Life%3B+Israelis+Produce+Milk+Without+Cows%21+Iran+Busted+Covering+Up+Nukes%3B+Israel-Hating+Celeb+Didn%27t+Know+This+About+‘Palestine’&utm_campaign=20210609_m163543832_Israel+to+UK%3A+Let+Us+Save+2-Year+Old’s+Life%3B+Israelis+Produce+Milk+Without+Cows%21+Iran+Busted+Covering+Up+Nukes%3B+Israel-Hating+Celeb+Didn%27t+Know+This+About+‘Palestine’&utm_term=WATCH_3A+Israel-Hating+Celebrity+Didn_27t+Know+This+Fact+About+_E2_80_98Palestine_E2_80_99

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And Israel lost the 1948 war.
The 1948 borders were created by the UN, not by Israel winning anything.

Is that why Israel held more land after the war than they did the day they declared independence?