The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

It was understood at the time, that these were considered part of the self-governing institutions.

When were the British ever tasked with establishing a post office, monetary system, etc.?

(OBSERVATIONS)

In 1948, there was no internet. In many countries, the Post Office ran all types of communication. For a start-up government (TurnKey Operation), the Mandatory Power had to help Israel to have a seamless transition between what the British were running and its handover to the Israelis.

• An internationally recognized bank had to be put in place to that there would be an Israeli currency on day one, with an umbilical to the international level exchange.
  
• The utilities and transportation system, heretofore paid by the British, had to be reckoned with, so that trains, water, electricity, and shipping could be maintained.

There were actions, behind the scenes, that introduced Israel to these critical function. The Arab Palestinians declined to participate.

The military construction engineers, among many other things, built the Allenby Bridge and many Trestles.

The Military, protected many of the assets that were used to establish powerlines and water systems, that would have been stolen if left to the Arabs.

Then, there were organizations like the Black Hand that needed to be dealt with in a more permanent way.

See: United Nations Palestine Commission during its deliberations from 9 January to 17 May 1948. It will give you a better insight into the meaning of "establishing self-governing institutions."

Most Respectfully,
R

Informative as usual, Rocco.

Ultimately, I was attempting to suggest to PF Tinmore that the attitude of the Arabs-Moslems is that everyone else is tasked with providing for them, catering to their every wish and then, when the Arabs-Moslems fail to take steps to improve their situation, it’s always someone else’s fault.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories. Why is it that so many societies have risen above difficult circumstances and taken control of their destinies as opposed to the perpetual whining of Arabs-Moslems who demand others take responsibility for their continually poor decision making.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories.

None of them are occupied.

I was in Vietnam when it was occupied. It was wall to wall poverty. Cooking rice over an open fire in three walls and a roof shacks.

The point might be.....

They all went through wars, even colonialism for some, and they have all not held on to feeling sorry for themselves and moved on, and made something out of their countries. South Korea is doing just fine, North Korea .....not so well.

Palestine still suffers under colonialism.

North Korea .....not so well.

The non existent country of Palestine suffered from colonialism for over 400 years of Ottoman conquest. Not one riot against them.
They really enjoyed being under the Turks.

Right now, the Arabs are under their own leaders "colonization ", one which demands that each non leader sacrifice their own lives to free the territory they want so that THEY can colonize it, instead of letting the indigenous Jews have a free sovereign country.

So, they continue to not have a choice, because their leaders will never allow them to have their own State, because since 1920 and since 1937, their leaders have been very clear about it.

The Arabs also have no issues with the Hashemites colonizing TranJordan, where that tribe only stepped on around WWI and then went to attack and totally expel it indigenous Jewish Population.

So, your fantasy land/country of Palestine, which never existed, is going to remain only that. A fantasy. While the rest of the world moves on, as they always did, before the Arabs invented the THREE NOs against any Jewish State ever existing on Jewish Ancient Homeland.

Say NO, and deal with the consequences.

 

[rylah]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

It was understood at the time, that these were considered part of the self-governing institutions.

When were the British ever tasked with establishing a post office, monetary system, etc.?

(OBSERVATIONS)

In 1948, there was no internet. In many countries, the Post Office ran all types of communication. For a start-up government (TurnKey Operation), the Mandatory Power had to help Israel to have a seamless transition between what the British were running and its handover to the Israelis.

• An internationally recognized bank had to be put in place to that there would be an Israeli currency on day one, with an umbilical to the international level exchange.
  
• The utilities and transportation system, heretofore paid by the British, had to be reckoned with, so that trains, water, electricity, and shipping could be maintained.

There were actions, behind the scenes, that introduced Israel to these critical function. The Arab Palestinians declined to participate.

The military construction engineers, among many other things, built the Allenby Bridge and many Trestles.

The Military, protected many of the assets that were used to establish powerlines and water systems, that would have been stolen if left to the Arabs.

Then, there were organizations like the Black Hand that needed to be dealt with in a more permanent way.

See: United Nations Palestine Commission during its deliberations from 9 January to 17 May 1948. It will give you a better insight into the meaning of "establishing self-governing institutions."

Most Respectfully,
R

Informative as usual, Rocco.

Ultimately, I was attempting to suggest to PF Tinmore that the attitude of the Arabs-Moslems is that everyone else is tasked with providing for them, catering to their every wish and then, when the Arabs-Moslems fail to take steps to improve their situation, it’s always someone else’s fault.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories. Why is it that so many societies have risen above difficult circumstances and taken control of their destinies as opposed to the perpetual whining of Arabs-Moslems who demand others take responsibility for their continually poor decision making.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories.

None of them are occupied.

I was in Vietnam when it was occupied. It was wall to wall poverty. Cooking rice over an open fire in three walls and a roof shacks.

The point might be.....

They all went through wars, even colonialism for some, and they have all not held on to feeling sorry for themselves and moved on, and made something out of their countries. South Korea is doing just fine, North Korea .....not so well.

Palestine still suffers under colonialism.

North Korea .....not so well.

Is it like when demand Madrid "back"?

 

[Hollie]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

It was understood at the time, that these were considered part of the self-governing institutions.

When were the British ever tasked with establishing a post office, monetary system, etc.?

(OBSERVATIONS)

In 1948, there was no internet. In many countries, the Post Office ran all types of communication. For a start-up government (TurnKey Operation), the Mandatory Power had to help Israel to have a seamless transition between what the British were running and its handover to the Israelis.

• An internationally recognized bank had to be put in place to that there would be an Israeli currency on day one, with an umbilical to the international level exchange.
  
• The utilities and transportation system, heretofore paid by the British, had to be reckoned with, so that trains, water, electricity, and shipping could be maintained.

There were actions, behind the scenes, that introduced Israel to these critical function. The Arab Palestinians declined to participate.

The military construction engineers, among many other things, built the Allenby Bridge and many Trestles.

The Military, protected many of the assets that were used to establish powerlines and water systems, that would have been stolen if left to the Arabs.

Then, there were organizations like the Black Hand that needed to be dealt with in a more permanent way.

See: United Nations Palestine Commission during its deliberations from 9 January to 17 May 1948. It will give you a better insight into the meaning of "establishing self-governing institutions."

Most Respectfully,
R

Informative as usual, Rocco.

Ultimately, I was attempting to suggest to PF Tinmore that the attitude of the Arabs-Moslems is that everyone else is tasked with providing for them, catering to their every wish and then, when the Arabs-Moslems fail to take steps to improve their situation, it’s always someone else’s fault.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories. Why is it that so many societies have risen above difficult circumstances and taken control of their destinies as opposed to the perpetual whining of Arabs-Moslems who demand others take responsibility for their continually poor decision making.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories.

None of them are occupied.

I was in Vietnam when it was occupied. It was wall to wall poverty. Cooking rice over an open fire in three walls and a roof shacks.

The point might be.....

They all went through wars, even colonialism for some, and they have all not held on to feeling sorry for themselves and moved on, and made something out of their countries. South Korea is doing just fine, North Korea .....not so well.

Palestine still suffers under colonialism.

North Korea .....not so well.

Arabs-Moslems across the islsmic Middle East suffer from a self-imposed, retrograde politico-religious ideology that has remained static since the 7th century.

Don’t attempt to place blame on others for the failures you create.

 

[Rehmani]

Ahh yes Israel EXISTS as a Sovereign Nation and no amount of complaining from the Arabs or the Jew haters in the West can change the fact that the UN RECOGNIZED Israel as did most civilized Nation States. After they were created every Arab Nation attacked them and tried in vain to kill all the Jews. Yet Israel prevailed then and now.

As it was (the fact that the UN RECOGNIZED Israel) " But fact is now that Israel and many supporter of Israel not RECOGNIZING the UN " as the authority on the issue. And playing paranoid-ism.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nobody does Israel any service by proclaiming its “right to exist.” Is- rael’s right to exist, like that of the United States, Saudi Arabia and 152 other states, is axiomatic and unreserved. Israel’s legitimacy is not suspended in midair awaiting acknowledgement . . . There is certainly no other state, big or small, young or old, that would consider mere recognition of its “right to exist” a favor, or a negotiable concession.

—Abba Eban2

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/mf2017.pdf#page=9

How many other countries bang on about their right to exist like they are trying to sell something?

 

[Hollie]

Nobody does Israel any service by proclaiming its “right to exist.” Is- rael’s right to exist, like that of the United States, Saudi Arabia and 152 other states, is axiomatic and unreserved. Israel’s legitimacy is not suspended in midair awaiting acknowledgement . . . There is certainly no other state, big or small, young or old, that would consider mere recognition of its “right to exist” a favor, or a negotiable concession.

—Abba Eban2

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/mf2017.pdf#page=9

How many other countries bang on about their right to exist like they are trying to sell something?

Indeed, in view of the Islamic fascists demanding their “right” to destroy Israel, the Israelis have, you know, countered with a differing opinion and, you know, delivered you humiliating beat-downs when necessary.

Indeed.

 

[José]

Originally posted by PF Tinmore
How many other countries bang on about their right to exist like they are trying to sell something?

So true...

And the supporters mirror the behavior of the country they support.

A lot of zionists feel a visceral need to repeat their mantra "Israel is here to stay, it's not going anywhere" every 5 minutes even when the peaceful dismantlement of the country is not the subject of the conversation... as if they were trying to prove something to themselves.

I often tell them they sound like someone who's desperately trying to convince himself more than anybody else.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Originally posted by PF Tinmore
How many other countries bang on about their right to exist like they are trying to sell something?

So true...

And the supporters mirror the behavior of the country they support.

A lot of zionists feel a visceral need to repeat their mantra "Israel is here to stay, it's not going anywhere" every 5 minutes even when the peaceful dismantlement of the country is not the subject of the conversation... as if they were trying to prove something to themselves.

I often tell them they sound like someone who's desperately trying to convince himself more than anybody else.

There is nothing to convince us of. We know who we are, we know where we belong and we know how to defend our country.

By all means deny what continues to be written in the PLO, PA and Hamas charters, all written between 1948 and 1967.

Have you counted the number of rockets and attacks on Israeli and Jewish civilians these past three months alone, all around the world?

Do not let me, or anyone else, wake you from your slumber.

 

[Rehmani]

Originally posted by Sixties Fan
There is nothing to convince us of. We know who we are, we know where we belong and we know how to defend our country.

So this is my advice to the Zionists:

Show more confidence in what you claim to believe!!!!

People who really have an unshakeable belief that "Israel is here to stay" shouldn't have the obsessive need to repeat the line every 5 minutes, for Christ's sake!!!

Well said. It is also mean they don't have trust in themselves mean paranoid.

 

[Rehmani]

Nobody does Israel any service by proclaiming its “right to exist.” Is- rael’s right to exist, like that of the United States, Saudi Arabia and 152 other states, is axiomatic and unreserved. Israel’s legitimacy is not suspended in midair awaiting acknowledgement . . . There is certainly no other state, big or small, young or old, that would consider mere recognition of its “right to exist” a favor, or a negotiable concession.

—Abba Eban2

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/mf2017.pdf#page=9

But its not mean that you are become legitimate owner of native Arab land.

 

[The Original Tree]

The enemies of Israel think they will be able to surround Israel and destroy them.

God promises that not only will these enemies attack Israel and be defeated, but that Israel’s borders will be enlarged.

God has made Israel like an immovable stone and His Word is True.

 

[Rehmani]

The enemies of Israel think they will be able to surround Israel and destroy them.

God promises that not only will these enemies attack Israel and be defeated, but that Israel’s borders will be enlarged.

God has made Israel like an immovable stone and His Word is True.

It is paranoid-ism from israelis which is making problem bigger/longer. In the beginning Hazbullah was not there, Hamas was not there but It is israelis who paranoid the situation and keep delaying the rights of people of Holly Land currently known Palestinian today. But israel never exist in history. Why God want it now after 4000 years.

 

[Rehmani]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

It was understood at the time, that these were considered part of the self-governing institutions.

(OBSERVATIONS)

In 1948, there was no internet. In many countries, the Post Office ran all types of communication. For a start-up government (TurnKey Operation), the Mandatory Power had to help Israel to have a seamless transition between what the British were running and its handover to the Israelis.

• An internationally recognized bank had to be put in place to that there would be an Israeli currency on day one, with an umbilical to the international level exchange.
  
• The utilities and transportation system, heretofore paid by the British, had to be reckoned with, so that trains, water, electricity, and shipping could be maintained.

There were actions, behind the scenes, that introduced Israel to these critical function. The Arab Palestinians declined to participate.

The military construction engineers, among many other things, built the Allenby Bridge and many Trestles.

The Military, protected many of the assets that were used to establish powerlines and water systems, that would have been stolen if left to the Arabs.

Then, there were organizations like the Black Hand that needed to be dealt with in a more permanent way.

See: United Nations Palestine Commission during its deliberations from 9 January to 17 May 1948. It will give you a better insight into the meaning of "establishing self-governing institutions."

Most Respectfully,
R

Informative as usual, Rocco.

Ultimately, I was attempting to suggest to PF Tinmore that the attitude of the Arabs-Moslems is that everyone else is tasked with providing for them, catering to their every wish and then, when the Arabs-Moslems fail to take steps to improve their situation, it’s always someone else’s fault.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories. Why is it that so many societies have risen above difficult circumstances and taken control of their destinies as opposed to the perpetual whining of Arabs-Moslems who demand others take responsibility for their continually poor decision making.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories.

None of them are occupied.

I was in Vietnam when it was occupied. It was wall to wall poverty. Cooking rice over an open fire in three walls and a roof shacks.

The point might be.....

They all went through wars, even colonialism for some, and they have all not held on to feeling sorry for themselves and moved on, and made something out of their countries. South Korea is doing just fine, North Korea .....not so well.

Palestine still suffers under colonialism.

North Korea .....not so well.

Arabs-Moslems across the islsmic Middle East suffer from a self-imposed, retrograde politico-religious ideology that has remained static since the 7th century.

Don’t attempt to place blame on others for the failures you create.

But don't blame to Muslim blame to yourself.

 

[rylah]

Informative as usual, Rocco.

Ultimately, I was attempting to suggest to PF Tinmore that the attitude of the Arabs-Moslems is that everyone else is tasked with providing for them, catering to their every wish and then, when the Arabs-Moslems fail to take steps to improve their situation, it’s always someone else’s fault.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories. Why is it that so many societies have risen above difficult circumstances and taken control of their destinies as opposed to the perpetual whining of Arabs-Moslems who demand others take responsibility for their continually poor decision making.

It’s really quite a contrast to see what others in Vietnam, Korea, Hong Kong and India have accomplished despite their histories.

None of them are occupied.

I was in Vietnam when it was occupied. It was wall to wall poverty. Cooking rice over an open fire in three walls and a roof shacks.

The point might be.....

They all went through wars, even colonialism for some, and they have all not held on to feeling sorry for themselves and moved on, and made something out of their countries. South Korea is doing just fine, North Korea .....not so well.

Palestine still suffers under colonialism.

North Korea .....not so well.

Is it like when demand Madrid "back"?

Rylah:- Are you promoting war? Sound like it.
If it is correct then why US message Board running this thread?

Actually I promote a wide regional cooperation, and open dialogue with honest and respectful leaders of the Muslim community.

 

[rylah]

The point might be.....

They all went through wars, even colonialism for some, and they have all not held on to feeling sorry for themselves and moved on, and made something out of their countries. South Korea is doing just fine, North Korea .....not so well.

Palestine still suffers under colonialism.

North Korea .....not so well.

Is it like when demand Madrid "back"?

Rylah:- Are you promoting war? Sound like it.
If it is correct then why US message Board running this thread?

Actually I promote a wide regional cooperation, and open dialogue with honest and respectful leaders of the Muslim community.

While yours posts expressed, division, prolong palestine issue, scared of from your own existence. Are you people psycho? Why don't you follow the UN resolution and solved the issue? Or if scared of from the lion will come and eat you all if this the case then one day it will come and its called paranoid-ism.

What posts?
I'm not sure You understand the words You use, what makes You think that UN resolutions are obligatory, does You country follow them?

 

[rylah]

It is proved now that israel is not a legitimate country

 

[Rehmani]

Palestine still suffers under colonialism.

Is it like when demand Madrid "back"?

Rylah:- Are you promoting war? Sound like it.
If it is correct then why US message Board running this thread?

Actually I promote a wide regional cooperation, and open dialogue with honest and respectful leaders of the Muslim community.

While yours posts expressed, division, prolong palestine issue, scared of from your own existence. Are you people psycho? Why don't you follow the UN resolution and solved the issue? Or if scared of from the lion will come and eat you all if this the case then one day it will come and its called paranoid-ism.

What posts?
I'm not sure You understand the words You use, what makes You think that UN resolutions are obligatory, does You country follow them?

Read all yours posts base on lies. And it is your country under discussion not mien.

 

[Rehmani]

Rylah:- Are you promoting war? Sound like it.
If it is correct then why US message Board running this thread?

Actually I promote a wide regional cooperation, and open dialogue with honest and respectful leaders of the Muslim community.

While yours posts expressed, division, prolong palestine issue, scared of from your own existence. Are you people psycho? Why don't you follow the UN resolution and solved the issue? Or if scared of from the lion will come and eat you all if this the case then one day it will come and its called paranoid-ism.

What posts?
I'm not sure You understand the words You use, what makes You think that UN resolutions are obligatory, does You country follow them?

Read all yours posts base on lies. And it is your country under discussion not mien.

Throwing accusation is not the same as proving them.
I didn't see You manage to prove anything I've said was incorrect.

Now explain one thing, You expect Israel to follow resolutions that neither Your country
nor the rest of the UN member states obliged to follow?

Like israel is not a legitimate country. It was given mandate/status when there was only few WII Coalition country were UN member and Israelis accepted that UN order immediately.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

I believe you to be wrong.

Sovereignty is NOT dependent on "military force or military strength.

Military might is a defense of the right of a State (to the exclusion of any other States) to exercise sole authority over its own territory. [Sovereign equality (supreme power or authority) applied to UN Members, Article 2(1) UN Charter)]

Sovereignty is but one of several component parts to "self-determination." "Self-determination encompasses so many is-sues—including individual and minority rights, regional autonomy, government repression, territorial integrity, state sovereignty, and claims to independence, to name but a few—the most difficult task in planning such a meeting was to determine which aspects of the issue would be addressed."
See: REPORT FROM ROUNDTABLE HELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE’S POLICY PLANNING STAFF, US Institute for Peace, (Author: Patricia Carley)

The Israelis never took a square inch of the land way from the sovereign control of the Arab Palestinians.

Sovereign control is a function of military might not legal right?

ARTICLE 4
States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project: Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933

(COMMENT)

NOTE: "Judicial Equality" is NOT the same thing as "Sovereign Equality." The US, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Saudi Arabia are all Sovereign in their own right. It does not mean that any of them equal before the law (domestically or internationally).
​

Your argument has three important components:

✦ First is to suggest that the sovereignty of Israel, a state declared independent since May 1948, is somehow deminishedbecause it was successfully able to defende its status as an independent nation not just once, but three times, against acts of aggression by the surrounding Arab League States and the terrorism orchestrated by the separated band of Arab Criminals.

✦ Secondly - upon the simple fact of its existence - somehow prevented the Arab Palestinians from participating in the establishment of self-governing institutions.

✦ The 1933 Montevideo Convention also says that "political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts."​

There is absolutely NO limitation on the Israelis to establish their own nation under international law. This is especially true when combined with the fact that the Arrab Palestinians declined the offer to establish its own Article 22 self-governing institutions.

Most Respectfully,
R

The 1933 Montevideo Convention also says that "political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,

In 1948 about 80 Palestinian leaders from around the state declared independence from the Mandate for its own people, on its own land, and inside its own international borders.

Being under occupation does not negate a state. In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. Palestine has been occupied ever since.

Palestine has the right to defend its integrity and independence.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

I believe you to be wrong.

Sovereignty is NOT dependent on "military force or military strength.

Military might is a defense of the right of a State (to the exclusion of any other States) to exercise sole authority over its own territory. [Sovereign equality (supreme power or authority) applied to UN Members, Article 2(1) UN Charter)]

Sovereignty is but one of several component parts to "self-determination." "Self-determination encompasses so many is-sues—including individual and minority rights, regional autonomy, government repression, territorial integrity, state sovereignty, and claims to independence, to name but a few—the most difficult task in planning such a meeting was to determine which aspects of the issue would be addressed."
See: REPORT FROM ROUNDTABLE HELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE’S POLICY PLANNING STAFF, US Institute for Peace, (Author: Patricia Carley)

The Israelis never took a square inch of the land way from the sovereign control of the Arab Palestinians.

Sovereign control is a function of military might not legal right?

ARTICLE 4
States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project: Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933

(COMMENT)

NOTE: "Judicial Equality" is NOT the same thing as "Sovereign Equality." The US, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Saudi Arabia are all Sovereign in their own right. It does not mean that any of them equal before the law (domestically or internationally).
​

Your argument has three important components:

✦ First is to suggest that the sovereignty of Israel, a state declared independent since May 1948, is somehow deminishedbecause it was successfully able to defende its status as an independent nation not just once, but three times, against acts of aggression by the surrounding Arab League States and the terrorism orchestrated by the separated band of Arab Criminals.

✦ Secondly - upon the simple fact of its existence - somehow prevented the Arab Palestinians from participating in the establishment of self-governing institutions.

✦ The 1933 Montevideo Convention also says that "political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts."​

There is absolutely NO limitation on the Israelis to establish their own nation under international law. This is especially true when combined with the fact that the Arrab Palestinians declined the offer to establish its own Article 22 self-governing institutions.

Most Respectfully,
R

The 1933 Montevideo Convention also says that "political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,

In 1948 about 80 Palestinian leaders from around the state declared independence from the Mandate for its own people, on its own land, and inside its own international borders.

Being under occupation does not negate a state. In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. Palestine has been occupied ever since.

Palestine has the right to defend its integrity and independence.

Where is that link.......?

1948?
80 Palestinian (?) leaders ? State ? From the Mandate? International Borders?