The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[P F Tinmore]

Fouad Ajami was a renowned scholar. You’re not.

He was still wrong. Look it up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

He was still wrong. Look it up.

U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 neither legally partitioned Palestine nor conferred upon the Zionist leadership any legal authority to unilaterally declare the existence of the Jewish state of Israel. It merely recommended that the UNSCOP partition plan be accepted and implemented by the concerned parties. Naturally, to have any weight of law, the plan, like any contract, would have to have been formally agreed upon by both parties, which it was not. Nor could the General Assembly have legally partitioned Palestine or otherwise conferred legal authority for the creation of Israel to the Zionist leadership, as it simply had no such authority to confer. When the Security Council took up the matter referred to it by the General Assembly, it could come to no consensus on how to proceed with implementing the partition plan. It being apparent that the plan could not be implemented by peaceful means, the suggestion that it be implemented by force was rejected by members of the Security Council. The simple fact of the matter is that the plan was never implemented. Numerous delegates from member states, including the U.S., arrived at the conclusion that the plan was impracticable, and, furthermore, that the Security Council had no authority to implement such a plan except by mutual consent by concerned parties, which was absent in this case.

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel/

 

[MartyNYC]

He was still wrong. Look it up.

He was still a renowned scholar. And you still are just an Israel-obsessed troll.

 

[MartyNYC]

U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 neither legally partitioned Palestine nor conferred upon the Zionist leadership any legal authority to unilaterally declare the existence of the Jewish state of Israel. It merely recommended that the UNSCOP partition plan be accepted and implemented by the concerned parties. Naturally, to have any weight of law, the plan, like any contract, would have to have been formally agreed upon by both parties, which it was not. Nor could the General Assembly have legally partitioned Palestine or otherwise conferred legal authority for the creation of Israel to the Zionist leadership, as it simply had no such authority to confer. When the Security Council took up the matter referred to it by the General Assembly, it could come to no consensus on how to proceed with implementing the partition plan. It being apparent that the plan could not be implemented by peaceful means, the suggestion that it be implemented by force was rejected by members of the Security Council. The simple fact of the matter is that the plan was never implemented. Numerous delegates from member states, including the U.S., arrived at the conclusion that the plan was impracticable, and, furthermore, that the Security Council had no authority to implement such a plan except by mutual consent by concerned parties, which was absent in this case.

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel/

Bogus, anti-Israel “journal.“ Richard Falk's Publisher 'Foreign Policy Journal' is just a 1-man, Truther-run website - UN Watch

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bogus, anti-Israel “journal.“ Richard Falk's Publisher 'Foreign Policy Journal' is just a 1-man, Truther-run website - UN Watch

UN Watch

One propaganda organization calling out another.

Resolution 181 was never implemented. It doesn't matter who says it.

 

[Hollie]

UN Watch

One propaganda organization calling out another.

Resolution 181 was never implemented. It doesn't matter who says it.

Curious you now admit ''Foreign Policy Journal'' is mere propaganda.

 

[MartyNYC]

Curious you now admit ''Foreign Policy Journal'' is mere propaganda.

He’s so dumb, it’s not even funny—Still, I laugh.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bogus, anti-Israel “journal.“ Richard Falk's Publisher 'Foreign Policy Journal' is just a 1-man, Truther-run website - UN Watch

Same information at other places.

Therefore, although Resolution 181 was meant to create a modus operandi between the two parties, it utterly failed to do so, since the Arab party categorically rejected it. Its implementation could therefore not be accomplished.

Since the UN failed to implement its own resolution, Israel regarded the resolution as null and void.

70 Years after UN Resolution 181: An Assessment

November 29, 1947, the penultimate step to Israel’s statehood - 70 Years after UN Resolution 181: An Assessment - Liora Chartouni

jcpa.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the Arab party categorically rejected it. Its implementation could therefore not be accomplished.

How's that working out for the Arab party?

 

[alexa]

Jerusalem was a majority Jewish population.
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Regardless as I said West Jerusalem was majority Muslims and Christian. Did you say East Jerusalem was where the Jewish quarters were. East Jerusalem was primarily Jewish.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How's that working out for the Arab party?

It was never implemented. It doesn't mean anything to anybody.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It was never implemented. It doesn't mean anything to anybody.

Right, the Arab party categorically rejected it. It was never implemented.

How's that working out for the Arab party?

 

[MartyNYC]

Same information at other places.

Therefore, although Resolution 181 was meant to create a modus operandi between the two parties, it utterly failed to do so, since the Arab party categorically rejected it. Its implementation could therefore not be accomplished.

Since the UN failed to implement its own resolution, Israel regarded the resolution as null and void.

70 Years after UN Resolution 181: An Assessment

November 29, 1947, the penultimate step to Israel’s statehood - 70 Years after UN Resolution 181: An Assessment - Liora Chartouni

jcpa.org

Fouad Ajami: “Sadly, the Palestinian national movement has known a different kind of leadership, unique in its mix of maximalism and sense of entitlement, in its refusal to accept what can and can't be had in the world of nations. Leadership is often about luck, the kind of individuals a people's history brings forth. It was the distinct misfortune of the Palestinians that when it truly mattered, and for nearly four decades, they were led by a juggler, Yasser Arafat, a man fated to waste his people's chances.”

The U.N. Can't Deliver a Palestinian State

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It was never implemented. It doesn't mean anything to anybody.

The Arab party have half the land yet? One quarter?

1.3%?

 

[Hollie]

It was never implemented. It doesn't mean anything to anybody.

It means another pally failure.

Another in a long catalog of failures.

 

[MartyNYC]

None of them are occupied.

I was in Vietnam when it was occupied. It was wall to wall poverty. Cooking rice over an open fire in three walls and a roof shacks.

Renowned Arab intellectual Fouad Ajami: “The Palestinian ruin was a long time in coming. No other movement has had the indulgence granted Palestinians over the last half-century, and the results can be seen in the bravado and senseless violence...”

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Here is a Rosh Hashana greeting card asking that the New Year be a year of "liberation of holy places."

According toone page of the National Library of Israel website, this card was created in 1967.

Yet the Hebrew year on this card is 5700, which would make this card from 1939. That adds a real poignancy to this.

Jews were always praying for the liberation of holy places in Jerusalem and elsewhere, but if Israel had existed in 1939, there would be millions more Jews alive today.

Shana tova u'metuka 5783

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[P F Tinmore]

 

[rylah]

Arabs sided with the British colonials,
expecting the entire region to be
ruled by a prince from Mecca...