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The nature of the winds

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It is believed that the winds are caused by the movement of air due to different pressures. But if this were so, then the winds would be not gusty.
They explain these gusts by turbulence due to the landscape and obstacles, but this is not convincing, because the wind is also uneven in open fields.
 

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The primary cause of the wind is the large scale circulation in our atmosphere ... most of the sun's energy is absorbed on the equator, the least at the poles ... so this energy must travel via convection, which is the main reason the air moves at all ... this large scale circulation also causes differences in pressure, which in turn is a secondary cause of wind ... so in reality, pressure difference is just an in-between step ... what we call the prevailing wind is strictly due to convection ...

A forced-air heating unit for our homes works all at the same pressure throughout ... the force applied is used to move the air rather than change this pressure ...
 
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The primary cause of the wind is the large scale circulation in our atmosphere ... most of the sun's energy is absorbed on the equator, the least at the poles ... so this energy must travel via convection, which is the main reason the air moves at all ... this large scale circulation also causes differences in pressure, which in turn is a secondary cause of wind ... so in reality, pressure difference is just an in-between step ... what we call the prevailing wind is strictly due to convection ...

A forced-air heating unit for our homes works all at the same pressure throughout ... the force applied is used to move the air rather than change this pressure ...
It doesn't matter, it still doesn't explain sharp impulses.
 

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In what sense?
In the everything ultimately is sense. First off, the Sun supplies the heat driving all the convection Reiny's talking about. Heat electromagnetically transfers to cold at some frequency or another. It's electric -- "of, worked by, charged with, or producing electricity." Lightning says "Like, Duh!"
 
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It doesn't matter, it still doesn't explain sharp impulses.

You got that part right ... turbulence ... or more technically, friction ... the babbling brook is a good example of fluid flow ... see all the whirlpools and eddies (ignore the springer that just tried to bite your nose off, salmon don't swim in the atmosphere) ...

Here's what a couple Wisconsin of pot-heads think:
"What Causes Wind Gusts?" -- The Weather Guys -- Jan 12th, 2012
Packers suck rats ... God alone knows how fans got this one right ...
 
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In the everything ultimately is sense. First off, the Sun supplies the heat driving all the convection Reiny's talking about. Heat electromagnetically transfers to cold at some frequency or another. It's electric -- "of, worked by, charged with, or producing electricity." Lightning says "Like, Duh!"
Lightning is a usual electrical discharge from the potential difference between heaven and earth.

How is what you are saying is related to the issue of uneven wind?
 
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You got that part right ... turbulence ... or more technically, friction ... the babbling brook is a good example of fluid flow ... see all the whirlpools and eddies (ignore the springer that just tried to bite your nose off, salmon don't swim in the atmosphere) ...
But in open flat areas there is no significant turbulence, and yet there are gusty winds.
 
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Here's what a couple Wisconsin of pot-heads think:
this is unconvincing, just blah blah. There is no answer to the question. Convection is uniform, it does not entail gusty wind.
 

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Lightning is a usual electrical discharge from the potential difference between heaven and earth.

How is what you are saying is related to the issue of uneven wind?
Heaven? Seriously? No, lighting is often cloud to cloud and travels back and forth (like a musical note plucked on a string). Wind shear is "uneven wind." Convection is always taking place both horizontally and vertically. Where they meet obviously produces wind shear and gusts. One thing the pot heads don't mention is rain which collects charge on its the way down, locally amplifying the potential difference between the ground and clouds. But the Sun's heat ultimately produces the temperature differences that drive the convection currents that produce the wind gusts (shear, turbulence, weather...).

Reiny bringing up friction is also appropriate though. We introduce drag by wiring electric circuits with "conductors" because we don't know any better (yet) than to exchange waste heat for electricity generated elsewhere. In essence, we guide electric power through resistance. Electrical impedance, however, can theoretically be purely capacitive, inductive, or both without introducing heat producing resistance. We destroy all of the available electricity only to use a small fraction of the available power.
 
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No, lighting is often cloud to cloud and travels back and forth (like a musical note plucked on a string).
It is the same. Just a capacitor discharge
Convection is always taking place both horizontally and vertically. Where they meet obviously produces wind shear and gusts. One thing the pot heads don't mention is rain which collects charge on its the way down, locally amplifying the potential difference between the ground and clouds. But the Sun's heat ultimately produces the temperature differences that drive the convection currents that produce the wind gusts (shear, turbulence, weather...).
All this is messy and implausible. Convection does not have this effect. We observe it between the window and the heating radiator, there are no gusts there.
 

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But in open flat areas there is no significant turbulence, and yet there are gusty winds.

this is unconvincing, just blah blah. There is no answer to the question. Convection is uniform, it does not entail gusty wind.

Not sure where you're looking ... your local news should be showing you a map of the USA (or Europe) with all the Highs and Lows and weather fronts drawn in ... that's all turbulence, and especially in the USA (and Europe) this state of the air is common ...

Turbulence due to the landscape and obstacles was mentioned in the OP ... there's also the boundary layer itself causing turbulence ... this can be shown with clear glass tubing, even with walls as smooth as glass, we still get turbulence ... it's just the inherent nature of fluids flowing next to solid surfaces ...

I have no idea why you think convection is uniform ... the primary driver of this convection occurs along the ICZ (or Interconvergence Zone) ... this is plainly visible in the full disk photos from the weather satellites ... that snaky disjointed line of clouds in the general area of the equator ... hardly uniform ...

The blerb I linked to is the common understanding of wind gusts ... not clear what you find unconvincing, or if that even matters ... the next step involves partial differential equations, and that can wait until baseball season if you don't mind ... it's how we get our "electricity" vector pointed straight up ...
 
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I think that they are hiding it because of some connection with the etheric issue, because there are an etheric wind and etheric vortices, and it play a big role.
 

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I think that they are hiding it because of some connection with the etheric issue, because there are an etheric wind and etheric vortices, and it play a big role.

Ether is known to combust spontaneously ... making whirlpools with the stuff is a good way to blow yourself up ...

... or do you mean æther? ... spelting maters ... and I shouldn't have to be mothering you over the internet ...

What experiment can we perform that would demonstrate this material, and what physics is involved causing this material to not interact with electromagnetism? ... be sure to state all your assumptions ...

Someone is `hiding` scientific information? ... I'm afraid that's not how science works ... what one person discovers is easily discovered by someone else ... only philosophical lies can be hidden ...
 
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What experiment can we perform that would demonstrate this material, and what physics is involved causing this material to not interact with electromagnetism? ... be sure to state all your assumptions ...
in fact, everything that is connected with the research of light in the 19th century is such evidence, in particular, Maxwell's equations were created on the basis of Aether.
This is precisely the reason why Newtonianism and scholasticism were thrown out of science.
 
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Someone is `hiding` scientific information? ... I'm afraid that's not how science works ... what one person discovers is easily discovered by someone else ... only philosophical lies can be hidden ...
In modern physics there is nothing but such a lie. They reject Science Method(Positivism) and build their "science" on basis of "philosopical" propositions and declatations of athomistic religion
 
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I thought about it but could not fully understand the connection.
Rationalists argued that the reason for holding bodies is a vortex, the sun in the center of a local vortex. This is very logical and clear, it is observed just in air and water vortices.

 
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Physics is essentially engaged in ordinary sophistry, substituting unfounded statements as premises. This is a classic of sophistry: everyone who has not lost a horns is horned, Socrates did not lose a horns -> Socrates is horned

This is correct deduction but first premise is lie

Tradition of atomists was connect with sophists
 

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What experiment can we perform that would demonstrate this material, and what physics is involved causing this material to not interact with electromagnetism? ... be sure to state all your assumptions ...
It's not a material. It's the fundamental field enabling and supporting all electromagnetism, all (di)electric and magnetic field -isms, including light, for obvious example . We scientifically "observe" light traversing "vacuums" of space -- volumes we observe to be devoid of significant material or other supporting fields. Ergo, light traveling from A to B suffices to demonstrate the ubiquitous presence of Aether. The Aether interacts with electromagnetism as a tree "interacts" with its own branches.
 

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