Zone1 The nature of discernment

Definitely! That reminds me of something you said on another thread the other day... when you said you realize that most of what you read, see and hear is BS,
imagine being a dirt poor recluse of simple means, then gaining access to the internets Buttercup

all i did was read, read, read.......

that's why.......
No, I don't believe it's innate. I'm sure you will disagree, but as I said in the OP, I believe it's spiritual in nature and an aspect (or 'fruit') of salvation and regeneration, with a renewed heart and mind.

This borders on the whole free will debate.

I'm more than willing to admit i'm more than some fleeting meatsuit in the grand scheme of the universe incarnate

but was i born with a moral compass ?

can i discern good from evil?

or am I just ......



~S~
 
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A long time ago I read that 70% of people DO NOT have an inner monologue with themselves.

I thunked...how the blank does a person think without an inner voice?

Maybe that has something to do with lack of discernment as well.
 
I believe it's spiritual in nature and an aspect (or 'fruit') of salvation and regeneration, with a renewed heart and mind.

I think there are levels before you get to discernment.

With a renewed heart and mind comes being naturally inquisitive.

With being naturally inquisitive comes learning & knowledge.
With learning & knowledge (and experience) usually comes wisdom & discernment. But you need to touch the hot stove & burn yourself a few times before all that happens.
 
Pentecostal preachers and LDS doctrine say that 'discernment.''

Study the fruit of their practices and judge for yourself.
 

Discernment, Spiritual

 
This borders on the whole free will debate.

I'm more than willing to admit i'm more than some fleeting meatsuit in the grand scheme of the universe incarnate

but was i born with a moral compass ?

can i discern good from evil?

or am I just ......



~S~


I like those kinds of ideas to think about. And I'm glad that you know you're more than just a meatsuit in the grand scheme of everything. ha. :)

Have you ever read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis? Don't let the title fool you, it's a book that I think anyone (regardless of their religious / spiritual beliefs) would find interesting and compelling. At least the first few chapters, later in the book it gets more into Christian-specific views, IIRC. But he talks about those questions you asked, and the way he explains it all and makes the case is excellent.
 
Pentecostal preachers and LDS doctrine say that 'discernment.''

Study the fruit of their practices and judge for yourself.

Um, no, discernment is not just a "pentecostal" or LDS idea, the bible is packed full of scriptures on it, from cover to cover.

Plus, it's not even a strictly Christian idea, it's just that people might have different definitions or ideas about what it is and where it comes from.
 
Um, no, discernment is not just a "pentecostal" or LDS idea, the bible is packed full of scriptures on it, from cover to cover.

Plus, it's not even a strictly Christian idea, it's just that people might have different definitions or ideas about what it is and where it comes from.
I did not say that, so stay on track.
 
No, that is something different. Discernment is like insight. It's sound judgment and the ability to make correct determinations. Seeing beyond mere appearances and understanding the actual truth of a matter.

The reason I asked if it's spiritual in nature is because sometimes I see nonbelievers who seem to have some discernment. But maybe that's something different... intuition? I think everyone has intuition, to some degree.
There are varying degrees of discernment in the secular world. Take empathetic people, for example. Often as the result of childhood trauma, they are very adept at reading people's moods and attitudes. It's not supernatural, though, they are just very attuned to body language, facial expressions, etc.

Spiritual discernment, I believe, is God-given to those who seek it and are listening to Him. This is when God says, in essence, "This message is not from me", or "This message is from me" and is something that is extremely valuable in today's world where there are a multitude of voices claiming to speak for God bombarding us on a daily basis with often contradictory messages. It is a vital gift, moreover, as Scripture tells us that deception is one of the enemy's greatest threats. Think of it, Satan doesn't attack you with a pitchfork and horns, he dangles things in front of you that you know are not right, or just not quite as good as they should be, but that he makes look and sound so appealing or innocuous.
 
There are varying degrees of discernment in the secular world. Take empathetic people, for example. Often as the result of childhood trauma, they are very adept at reading people's moods and attitudes. It's not supernatural, though, they are just very attuned to body language, facial expressions, etc.

Spiritual discernment, I believe, is God-given to those who seek it and are listening to Him. This is when God says, in essence, "This message is not from me", or "This message is from me" and is something that is extremely valuable in today's world where there are a multitude of voices claiming to speak for God bombarding us on a daily basis with often contradictory messages. It is a vital gift, moreover, as Scripture tells us that deception is one of the enemy's greatest threats. Think of it, Satan doesn't attack you with a pitchfork and horns, he dangles things in front of you that you know are not right, or just not quite as good as they should be, but that he makes look and sound so appealing or innocuous.

Thank you, excellent points. I especially liked the last thing you said, about deception. It's something that I think many believers forget, especially as we're getting closer to the end of this age, deception is rampant. And as you accurately said, the enemy presents things that look so appealing, harmless, and convincing. This is where spiritual discernment is crucial.
 
What are your thoughts on discernment? Do you believe it is spiritual in nature, and one of the 'fruits' of salvation and being a new creation in Christ?

Or do you believe it's something that all people have, in varying degrees?
My experience has me concluding there may be various types of discernment, but definitely including spiritual discernment. Back story: Before Covid, when my mom had Alzheimer's, being out of town I couldn't visit her regularly. Fortunately, several siblings still lived in the same town, but I started thinking that perhaps there were elderly people in the town where I lived who had family who also lived too far to be regular visitors with their loved ones. The Church had a senior visitation ministry for this purpose, and in honor of my own mother I joined this ministry. Outside of family, I've never been comfortable touching people or people touching me. I manage the amenities, but that's about it.

Mary was mostly bedridden, couldn't talk any longer (a symptom my mother also had), and she was too weak to do much. On weather-perfect days, if she seemed alert, I would get her settled in a wheelchair, and we would walk through a nearby park. Mostly, she was in bed, so I read, said familiar prayers, and I told her about my day at school. I was company...but there wasn't a lot I could do with her--or for her for that matter.

One day a thought entered and filled my mind...I should stroke her hair. No. I don't go around stroking people's hair! The thought progressed to, "If her mother were here, she would stroke her hair." (My mother never stroked our hair.)

Mary was close to one hundred, so obviously her mother was long gone. Naturally, I left without stroking Mary's hair, and actually forgot it until my next visit. Again a thought, "If her mother were here, she would stroke her hair." I thought about it for awhile as the thought kept tugging at me. Yes, finally, I began stroking her hair. No, there were no magical smiles or physical reaction--she was beyond that...but she it seemed to relax her, so part of my visit with Mary became gently stroking her hair.

When I heard Mary had peacefully passed away, I immediately had the mental image/thought of Mary's mother stroking her hair. I went to her funeral, sitting quietly at the back of the church, not speaking with anyone, just praying and listening. The family member who spoke at the eulogy said Mary and her mother had been very close...one of his memories was of Mary's mother stroking Mary's hair.

No, not before, not after, have I ever felt the need to stroke the hair of anyone I was visiting. I never stroked my own mother's hair. (I don't think she would have liked it. Like me, she liked her space.)
 
My experience has me concluding there may be various types of discernment, but definitely including spiritual discernment. Back story: Before Covid, when my mom had Alzheimer's, being out of town I couldn't visit her regularly. Fortunately, several siblings still lived in the same town, but I started thinking that perhaps there were elderly people in the town where I lived who had family who also lived too far to be regular visitors with their loved ones. The Church had a senior visitation ministry for this purpose, and in honor of my own mother I joined this ministry. Outside of family, I've never been comfortable touching people or people touching me. I manage the amenities, but that's about it.

Mary was mostly bedridden, couldn't talk any longer (a symptom my mother also had), and she was too weak to do much. On weather-perfect days, if she seemed alert, I would get her settled in a wheelchair, and we would walk through a nearby park. Mostly, she was in bed, so I read, said familiar prayers, and I told her about my day at school. I was company...but there wasn't a lot I could do with her--or for her for that matter.

One day a thought entered and filled my mind...I should stroke her hair. No. I don't go around stroking people's hair! The thought progressed to, "If her mother were here, she would stroke her hair." (My mother never stroked our hair.)

Mary was close to one hundred, so obviously her mother was long gone. Naturally, I left without stroking Mary's hair, and actually forgot it until my next visit. Again a thought, "If her mother were here, she would stroke her hair." I thought about it for awhile as the thought kept tugging at me. Yes, finally, I began stroking her hair. No, there were no magical smiles or physical reaction--she was beyond that...but she it seemed to relax her, so part of my visit with Mary became gently stroking her hair.

When I heard Mary had peacefully passed away, I immediately had the mental image/thought of Mary's mother stroking her hair. I went to her funeral, sitting quietly at the back of the church, not speaking with anyone, just praying and listening. The family member who spoke at the eulogy said Mary and her mother had been very close...one of his memories was of Mary's mother stroking Mary's hair.

No, not before, not after, have I ever felt the need to stroke the hair of anyone I was visiting. I never stroked my own mother's hair. (I don't think she would have liked it. Like me, she liked her space.)

I love that. :) Thanks for sharing that story.
 

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