The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century

[dnsmith35]

Roudy...read more Chomsky:

"The Church of Latin America had undertaken 'the preferential option for the poor.'

"They committed the crime of going back to the Gospels.

"The contents of the Gospels are mostly suppressed (in the U.S.); they are a radical pacifist collection of documents. It was turned into the religion of the rich by the Emperor Constantine, who eviscerated its content.

"If anyone dares to go back to the Gospels, they become the enemy, which is what liberation theology was doing..."

The Greatest Purveyor of Violence in this world has no use for anyone undertaking "the preferential option for the poor' be they Christian, Muslim, or Jew.

On Religion and Politics, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Amina Chaudary

And that had what to do with anything? Have you considered visiting a psychologist? You sound like you need help.

It has to do with the Class War, fool.
The War that you're on the wrong side of:

"Many of the victims of (President) Reagan’s efforts in Central America were nuns, lay workers, and for clear and explicit reasons, which you can see officially stated, like the famous School of America, which trains Latin American officers.

"One of its advertising points is that the U.S. Army helped defeat liberation theology, which was a dominant force, and it was an enemy for the same reason that secular nationalism in the Arab world was an enemy – it was working for the poor.

"This is the same reason why Hamas and Hezbollah are enemies: they are working for the poor.

"It doesn’t matter if they are Catholic or Muslim or anything else; that is intolerable.

"The Church of Latin America had undertaken 'the preferential option for the poor.'

On Religion and Politics, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Amina Chaudary

The rich have been waging war on the poor for thousands of years.
Slaves like you are their useful idiots.
Ask the Gipper or Golda when you bump into them.
(Soon I hope)

I assume you know that Noam Chompsky is an expert on linguistics; but when it comes to politics and the middle east he is a jackass of monumental proportion.

 

[georgephillip]

"November 9???

" A US federal judge ordered 37 US brokerage houses to pay 1.03 billion USD to cheated NASDAQ investors to compensate for price-fixing. This is the largest civil settlement in United States history."

I'm almost over it...you?

November 9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

And that had what to do with anything? Have you considered visiting a psychologist? You sound like you need help.

It has to do with the Class War, fool.
The War that you're on the wrong side of:

"Many of the victims of (President) Reagan’s efforts in Central America were nuns, lay workers, and for clear and explicit reasons, which you can see officially stated, like the famous School of America, which trains Latin American officers.

"One of its advertising points is that the U.S. Army helped defeat liberation theology, which was a dominant force, and it was an enemy for the same reason that secular nationalism in the Arab world was an enemy – it was working for the poor.

"This is the same reason why Hamas and Hezbollah are enemies: they are working for the poor.

"It doesn’t matter if they are Catholic or Muslim or anything else; that is intolerable.

"The Church of Latin America had undertaken 'the preferential option for the poor.'

On Religion and Politics, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Amina Chaudary

The rich have been waging war on the poor for thousands of years.
Slaves like you are their useful idiots.
Ask the Gipper or Golda when you bump into them.
(Soon I hope)

I assume you know that Noam Chompsky is an expert on linguistics; but when it comes to politics and the middle east he is a jackass of monumental proportion.

I didn't know that, but I'm aware of inconsequential idiots who actually believe it.
Do you have any links?

Maybe you can explain how Chomsky managed to publish so many books on Politics and the Middle East?

"Some of the books are available for viewing online.[1]

(1967) "The Responsibility of Intellectuals"
(1969) Perspectives on Vietnam [microform]
(1969) American Power and the New Mandarins New York: Pantheon. ISBN 978-0-14-021126-9
(1971) At War with Asia. New York: Pantheon. ISBN 978-0-00-632654-0
(1970) Two Essays on Cambodia. ISBN 978-0-9500300-6-7
(1971) Chomsky: Selected Readings' ISBN 978-0-19-437046-2
(1972) Problems of Knowledge and Freedom: The Russell Lectures. New York: Pantheon. ISBN 978-0-394-71815-6
(1972) The Pentagon Papers. Senator Gravel ed. vol. V. Critical Essays. Boston: Beacon Press; includes index to vol. I-IV of the Papers. With Howard Zinn.
(1973) For Reasons of State. New York: Pantheon. ISBN 978-0-00-211242-0
(1973) Counter-Revolutionary Violence – Bloodbaths in Fact & Propaganda (with Edward S. Herman). Andover, MA: Warner Modular. Module no. # 57.
(1974) Peace in the Middle East? Reflections on Justice and Nationhood. New York: Pantheon. ISBN 978-0-394-71248-2
(1976) Intellectuals and the State. ISBN 978-90-293-9671-4
(1978) Human Rights and American Foreign Policy. ISBN 978-0-85124-201-9
(1979) Language and Responsibility. New York: Pantheon. ISBN 978-0-85527-535-8
(1979) The Political Economy of Human Rights, Volume I: The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism (with Edward S. Herman) ISBN 0-85124-248-0 ISBN 0-89608-090-0
(1979) The Political Economy of Human Rights, Volume II: After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial Ideology (with Edward Herman) ISBN 0-85124-272-3 ISBN 978-0896081000
(1982, 2003) Radical Priorities. Montréal: Black Rose, ISBN 0-919619-50-3; Stirling, Scotland: AK Press. Otero, C.P.
(1982) Superpowers in Collision: The Cold War Now (with Jonathan Steele and John Gittings). ISBN 978-0-14-022432-0
(1982) Towards a New Cold War: Essays on the Current Crisis and How We Got There. New York: Pantheon. ISBN 978-0-394-51873-2
(1983, 1999) The Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-601-2, ISBN 978-0-89608-187-1
(1985) Turning the Tide : U.S. intervention in Central America and the Struggle for Peace. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-266-3
(1986) Pirates and Emperors: International Terrorism and the Real World. New York: Claremont Research and Publications. ISBN 0-685-17754-8
(1986) The Race to Destruction: Its Rational Basis. ISBN 978-0-85124-517-1
(1987) The Chomsky Reader. Peck, James (ed.). ISBN 0-394-75173-6 ISBN 978-0394751733
(1987) On Power and Ideology: Managua Lectures. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-289-2
(1987) Turning the Tide: the U.S. and Latin America. ISBN 978-0-89608-267-0
(1988) The Culture of Terrorism. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-334-9
(1988) Language and Politics. Montréal: Black Rose. ISBN 978-0-921689-34-8
(1988, 2002) Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media. New York: Pantheon.(with Edward Herman) ISBN 0-375-71449-9.
(1989) Necessary Illusions. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-366-0
(1991) Terrorizing the Neighborhood: American Foreign Policy in the Post-Cold War Era. Stirling, Scotland: AK Press. ISBN 978-0-9627091-2-8
(1992) What Uncle Sam Really Wants. Berkeley: Odonian Press. ISBN 1-878825-01-1.
(1992) Chronicles of Dissent. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press. ISBN 0-921586-24-8.
(1992) Deterring Democracy. New York: Hill and Wang. ISBN 0-374-52349-5.
(1993) Letters from Lexington: Reflections on Propaganda. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press.
(1993, 2003) The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many. Berkeley: Odonian Press. * 2003 edition by Pluto Press. ISBN 1-878825-03-8.
(1993) Rethinking Camelot: JFK, the Vietnam War, and U.S. Political Culture. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-458-2.
(1993) World Order and Its Rules: Variations on Some Themes. West Belfast Economic for Mentation. ISBN 978-0-9521888-2-7
(1993) Year 501: The Conquest Continues. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 1-895431-62-X, ISBN 1-895431-63-8.
(1994) Keeping the Rabble in Line: Interviews with David Barsamian. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press. ISBN 1-56751-032-9.
(1994) Secrets, Lies, and Democracy. Berkley: Odonian Press. ISBN 1-878825-04-6.
(1994) World Orders, Old and New. New York: Columbia University Press.
(1996) Class Warfare: Interviews with David Barsamian. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press. ISBN 1-56751-092-2.
(1996,1997) Powers and Prospects: Reflections on Human Nature and the Social Order, Boston: South End Press, ISBN 0-89608-535-X /Perspectives on Power: Reflections on Human Nature and the Social Order, Montréal: Black Rose Press, ISBN 1-55164-048-1.
(1997) Class Warfare: Interviewed by David Barsamian. Vancouver: New Star Books. (collects the Common Courage books, "Keeping the Rabble in Line" and "Class Warfare")
(1997) The Cold War and the University. Co-authored with Ira Katznelson, Richard Lewontin, David Montgomery, Laura Nader, Richard Ohmann, Ray Siever, Immanuel Wallerstein, Howard Zinn. ISBN 1-56584-005-4.
(1997, 2002). Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 1-58322-536-6. ISBN 1-58322-536-6.
(1998) The Common Good.
(1999) The Umbrella of US Power: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Contradictions of US Policy. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 978-1-888363-85-2
(1999) Latin America: From Colonization to Globalization. Ocean Press. ASIN B000LCC67M
(1999) Acts of Aggression: Policing "Rogue" States (with Edward Said)
(1999) The New Military Humanism: Lessons from Kosovo. Common Courage Press
(1999) Profit over People: Neoliberalism and Global Order. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 978-1-888363-82-1
(2000) Chomsky on Mis-Education (edited by Donaldo Macedo). Rowman & Littlefield. ISBN 978-0-7425-0129-4
(2000) A New Generation Draws the Line: Kosovo, East Timor and the Standards of the West. Verso Books. ISBN 1-85984-789-7
(2000) Rogue States: The Rule of Force in World Affairs. Cambridge: South End Press.
(2001) Propaganda and the Public Mind. South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-634-0
(2001) 9-11. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 1-58322-489-0
(2002, 2003). Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky. Mitchell, Peter and John Schoeffel (ed.). Vintage. ISBN 0-09-946606-6.[2]
(2002) Chomsky on Democracy and Education (edited by C.P. Otero). Routledge. ISBN 978-0-415-92632-4
(2002) Pirates and Emperors, Old and New: International Terrorism and the Real World. Pluto Press. ISBN 0-7453-1980-7
(2003) Power and Terror: Post-9/11 Talks and Interviews. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 978-1-58322-590-5.
(2003) Middle East Illusions: Including Peace in the Middle East? Reflections on Justice and Nationhood. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers. ISBN 0-7425-2977-0
(2003) Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance. Metropolitan Books. (Part of the American Empire Project).
(2003) Objectivity and Liberal Scholarship. The New Press. ISBN 978-1-56584-858-0.
(2003) "Deep Concerns" (Znet article)
(2004) Getting Haiti Right This Time: The U.S. and the Coup (with Amy Goodman and Paul Farmer). Common Courage Press. ISBN 1-56751-318-2
(2005) Chomsky on Anarchism (ed Barry Pateman). AK Press. ISBN 1-904859-20-8
(2005) Government in the Future. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 1-58322-685-0. Government in the future. Seven Stories Press. 2005. ISBN 1-58322-685-0. Text of the lecture given at the Poetry Center, New York, February 16, 1970.
(2005) Imperial Ambitions: Conversations on the Post-9/11 World. Metropolitan Books. (Part of the American Empire Project). ISBN 0-8050-7967-X
(2005) A Hated Political Enemy: Allen Bell interviews Noam Chomsky (with Allen Bell). Victoria, BC: Flask. ISBN 978-0-9736853-0-5
(2006) Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy. Metropolitan Books. ISBN 0-8050-7912-2. ISBN 0-241-14323-3
(2006) Perilous Power. The Middle East and US Foreign Policy. Dialogues on Terror, Democracy, War, and Justice (with Gilbert Achcar) ISBN 1-59451-312-0
(2007) Interventions. City Lights. ISBN 0-87286-483-9. ISBN 978-0-87286-483-2
(2007) What We Say Goes: Conversations on US Power in a Changing World. ISBN 0-8050-8671-4
(2007) Inside Lebanon: Journey to A Shattered Land with Noam and Carol Chomsky (with A. J. Kfoury, et al.). New York: Monthly Review Press. ISBN 978-1-58367-153-5
(2008) The Essential Chomsky. Vintage. ISBN 978-1-59558-189-1
(2010) Hopes and Prospects. Haymarket Books. ISBN 978-1-931859-96-7
(2010) New World of Indigenous Resistance. City Lights Publishers. ISBN 978-0-87286-533-4
(2010) Making the Future: The Unipolar Imperial Moment. City Lights Publishers. ISBN 978-0-87286-537-2
(2010) Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians (with Ilan Pappé). Hamish Hamilton. ISBN 978-0-241-14506-7
(2011) 9-11: Was There An Alternative? Seven Stories Press. ISBN 978-1-60980-343-8
(2012) Making the Future: Occupations, Interventions, Empire and Resistance. City Lights Publishers. ISBN 978-0-87286-537-2
(2012) Occupy (Occupied Media Pamphlet Series). New-York, Zuccotti Park Press. ISBN 978-1-88451-901-7 "

Noam Chomsky bibliography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Infohound]

According to the Houston Post, and/or Houston Chronicle, after Ruby had finally seized the opportunity to kill Oswald at 11:21 AM on Sunday morning, the 24th, shortly after, he blurted out that he and others were going to be "the cause of the death of 25 million Jews," meaning ...if the investigators could figure it out. (from "The Journal of History")

Can anyone imagine if this were common knowledge?

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After Ruby shot Oswald he exclaimed that he was going to be the cause of the death of 25 million Jews. This was reported in the press like the Houston Chronicle, but spiked almost immediately. Later his lawyers tried to use his incriminating statement as an insanity defense. The AP wire follows:


Finally: Ruby was telling them, but they never figured it out in 50 years. Now Israel has hundreds of Pu239 bombs created at Dimona ....thanks to Ruby killing Oswald.

No Copy and Pasting until you reach 15 Posts. After that Each copy and paste needs to be linked to it's source.

 

[Infohound]

In Leah Shamir's autobiography, she said her husband, the little Gargoyle, was in Dallas at the time of the JFK murder.

He was one of "the Israeli reporters" with Jack Rubenstein at the Dallas jail the night before JFK was "eliminated".

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The timeline above is incorrect. That was Friday night AFTER JFK was assassinated. The reporter in Dallas for the Houston Post, Hudkins, wrote an affidavit on it. It's in the Dallas Archives. Hudkins knew Ruby.
He (Hudkins) stated that he was in the Police Station on Friday evening of November 22 and observed Tom Howard, now representing Ruby, and his law partner Colley Sullivan and Attorney Bennie Henderson on the third floor of the Police Station near the office of Captain Fritz where Oswald was being interviewed. He stated that at approximately 11:00 Oswald was taken from Captain Frits' Office to a police assembly room for a show-up and near the show-up room he saw Jack Ruby. He asked Ruby what he was doing there and as he recalls Ruby replied he was either writing for a Jewish paper or interpreting for someone who was writing for a Jewish paper. He advised that to the best of his knowledge Ruby had some sort of an identification card issued by Glenn Bird, now County Clerk who was formerly a Justice of the Peace. The card, as he recalls, read, "The Bearer is an Honorary Deputy of the Justice of the Peace."
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[Hossfly]

In Leah Shamir's autobiography, she said her husband, the little Gargoyle, was in Dallas at the time of the JFK murder.

He was one of "the Israeli reporters" with Jack Rubenstein at the Dallas jail the night before JFK was "eliminated".

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The timeline above is incorrect. That was Friday night AFTER JFK was assassinated. The reporter in Dallas for the Houston Post, Hudkins, wrote an affidavit on it. It's in the Dallas Archives. Hudkins knew Ruby.
He (Hudkins) stated that he was in the Police Station on Friday evening of November 22 and observed Tom Howard, now representing Ruby, and his law partner Colley Sullivan and Attorney Bennie Henderson on the third floor of the Police Station near the office of Captain Fritz where Oswald was being interviewed. He stated that at approximately 11:00 Oswald was taken from Captain Frits' Office to a police assembly room for a show-up and near the show-up room he saw Jack Ruby. He asked Ruby what he was doing there and as he recalls Ruby replied he was either writing for a Jewish paper or interpreting for someone who was writing for a Jewish paper. He advised that to the best of his knowledge Ruby had some sort of an identification card issued by Glenn Bird, now County Clerk who was formerly a Justice of the Peace. The card, as he recalls, read, "The Bearer is an Honorary Deputy of the Justice of the Peace."
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Aww, we have Jack Ruby again. This one hasn;t been dug up in a while. Meanwhile, there are Italians who will tell you that it was a Mafia hit because JFK's father promised the Mob that Robert Kennedy wouldn't go after them when he was appointed Attorney General so that the Mob would help his son get elected President. This story sounds more feasible to me than dragging in the Jews and Israel because we all know how vigorously Robert Kennedy went after the Mob. Gee, maybe Infohound is really Vinnie (the Chin) Gigante in disguise.

 

[Indofred]

There is a side to Israel that many posters wish to remain hidden and that's the founding of Israel was started by terrorism.
This is historical fact; not an opinion.

Irgun, the Stern Gang and other groups carried out many terrorist attacks before they were taken into the official Israeli forces of the time.
No arrest for their many murders, no trial and no punishment, just honoured as heroes.

Jew Watch - Jewish Terrorists - Timeline of Zionist Terror

The pro Zionist lot always bleat on about terrorism but never mention their own, terrible past.
The Israeli government complains about terrorists but 'forgets' that's how Israel came to be.

 

[Hossfly]

There is a side to Israel that many posters wish to remain hidden and that's the founding of Israel was started by terrorism.
This is historical fact; not an opinion.

Irgun, the Stern Gang and other groups carried out many terrorist attacks before they were taken into the official Israeli forces of the time.
No arrest for their many murders, no trial and no punishment, just honoured as heroes.

Jew Watch - Jewish Terrorists - Timeline of Zionist Terror

The pro Zionist lot always bleat on about terrorism but never mention their own, terrible past.
The Israeli government complains about terrorists but 'forgets' that's how Israel came to be.

Nah, Joshua founded Israel on orders and was instructed to rid the land of parasites and critters. Read all about it in the #1 bestseller, the Old Testament. True story.

 

[Indofred]

There is a side to Israel that many posters wish to remain hidden and that's the founding of Israel was started by terrorism.
This is historical fact; not an opinion.

Irgun, the Stern Gang and other groups carried out many terrorist attacks before they were taken into the official Israeli forces of the time.
No arrest for their many murders, no trial and no punishment, just honoured as heroes.

Jew Watch - Jewish Terrorists - Timeline of Zionist Terror

The pro Zionist lot always bleat on about terrorism but never mention their own, terrible past.
The Israeli government complains about terrorists but 'forgets' that's how Israel came to be.

Nah, Joshua founded Israel on orders and was instructed to rid the land of parasites and critters. Read all about it in the #1 bestseller, the Old Testament. True story.

Is that the best attempt at a deflection you can manage?
Go on - condemn the terrorist attacks that Jewish terrorists carried out in order to create the state of Israel.

I challenge you to refuse and admit you're a supporter of terrorism.

 

[Hossfly]

There is a side to Israel that many posters wish to remain hidden and that's the founding of Israel was started by terrorism.
This is historical fact; not an opinion.

Irgun, the Stern Gang and other groups carried out many terrorist attacks before they were taken into the official Israeli forces of the time.
No arrest for their many murders, no trial and no punishment, just honoured as heroes.

Jew Watch - Jewish Terrorists - Timeline of Zionist Terror

The pro Zionist lot always bleat on about terrorism but never mention their own, terrible past.
The Israeli government complains about terrorists but 'forgets' that's how Israel came to be.

Nah, Joshua founded Israel on orders and was instructed to rid the land of parasites and critters. Read all about it in the #1 bestseller, the Old Testament. True story.

Is that the best attempt at a deflection you can manage?
Go on - condemn the terrorist attacks that Jewish terrorists carried out in order to create the state of Israel.

I challenge you to refuse and admit you're a supporter of terrorism.

Hossfly hereby condems any acts of terrorism by either side against civilians, past or present.

 

[MHunterB]

Fred, can you find a site with similar 'information' about "Zionist terrorism" which doesn't ALSO say that Jews are the literal descendants of the Christian Devil, invented AIDS, and countless other lies which are all over that site?

You DO realize, don't you, that that site is too vile even for 'Stormwatch' to tolerate. I can't give any credence to anything coming off of there.

If you seriously desire a discussion, Fred - you need to find 'sources' which are not such very blatant and extreme hate speech. Unless, of course, you want to be regarded as one who is either too dense or too pickled in Jew-hatred to be bothered to address?

 

[MHunterB]

Jew Watch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Antisemitic canard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These links should explain what I was trying to convey about biased sources, etc. One might also check out the 'Religious Tolerance' website: that's a group in Toronto.

 

[Indofred]

Fred, can you find a site with similar 'information' about "Zionist terrorism" which doesn't ALSO say that Jews are the literal descendants of the Christian Devil, invented AIDS, and countless other lies which are all over that site?

You DO realize, don't you, that that site is too vile even for 'Stormwatch' to tolerate. I can't give any credence to anything coming off of there.

If you seriously desire a discussion, Fred - you need to find 'sources' which are not such very blatant and extreme hate speech. Unless, of course, you want to be regarded as one who is either too dense or too pickled in Jew-hatred to be bothered to address?

The site is a nasty piece of work but the claims are historical facts, at least as far as the chronology is concerned.

Bunche Report on Zionist Terrorism in the Near East

There are plenty of other sources on line that detail Zionists groups and their terrorist activities.

S/1018 of 28 September 1948

You can't dismiss the facts regarding extremist zionists mass murder because you don't like the site they happen to be on. At least you can't when they're so well documented in so many other places.

LOOKING BACK 60 YEARS, Timeline of Zionist Terror From A UN Committee - 1st October 1948 + Other Articles From Harrell Rhome | Love for Life

 

[MHunterB]

Fred, I was not disputing the report itself. I was trying to get you to look at how the context of the site undercuts the validity of the report, that was all.

Incidentally, your third 'source' is a blog and also includes hate speech. (It's also not in very good English - but then my Norwegian is lousy, LOL!)

YES, there were some individuals and groups within the movement for a Jewish State who did engage in terror, and yes that should be condemned. - and yes I condemn terrorism against non-combatants.

But simply because some of those people became part of the government later on, isn't reason enough to claim that 'terrorism is a Zionist ideal' or any such thing. And yes, certain individuals around here have tried to make such claims.

 

[Hossfly]

Fred, can you find a site with similar 'information' about "Zionist terrorism" which doesn't ALSO say that Jews are the literal descendants of the Christian Devil, invented AIDS, and countless other lies which are all over that site?

You DO realize, don't you, that that site is too vile even for 'Stormwatch' to tolerate. I can't give any credence to anything coming off of there.

If you seriously desire a discussion, Fred - you need to find 'sources' which are not such very blatant and extreme hate speech. Unless, of course, you want to be regarded as one who is either too dense or too pickled in Jew-hatred to be bothered to address?

The site is a nasty piece of work but the claims are historical facts, at least as far as the chronology is concerned.

Bunche Report on Zionist Terrorism in the Near East

There are plenty of other sources on line that detail Zionists groups and their terrorist activities.

S/1018 of 28 September 1948

You can't dismiss the facts regarding extremist zionists mass murder because you don't like the site they happen to be on. At least you can't when they're so well documented in so many other places.

LOOKING BACK 60 YEARS, Timeline of Zionist Terror From A UN Committee - 1st October 1948 + Other Articles From Harrell Rhome | Love for Life

A question, Freddie. Since there are different forums on the USMessageBoard, how come you never avail yourself of them to tell us that your Muslim brethren have murdered millions and millions of people? Is it only the Jews and Israel that you feel you have to post about when your own brethren are still busy murdering innocent people in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Africa. It almost seems a given that a Muslim or a convert to Islam must never discuss what his fellow Muslims have done and are still doing when it comes to their own terrorism which has gone on since Islam was invented, but they seem to get the word to constantly blame Israel for something or others.

 

[Indofred]

So many people post threads about Muslim terrorism so I simply try to show the forum, some Muslims are terrorists as are some Jews, some Christians and so on.

 

[Hossfly]

So many people post threads about Muslim terrorism so I simply try to show the forum, some Muslims are terrorists as are some Jews, some Christians and so on.

However, what group is it who is mainly running around to different locations murdering innocent people (whether these people are Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and even Muslims of different sects)? You as a Muslim can drag up all the different groups you want to as having terrorists, but the fact remains that we know who are the terrorists in this world today.

 

[Indofred]

So many people post threads about Muslim terrorism so I simply try to show the forum, some Muslims are terrorists as are some Jews, some Christians and so on.

However, what group is it who is mainly running around to different locations murdering innocent people (whether these people are Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and even Muslims of different sects)? You as a Muslim can drag up all the different groups you want to as having terrorists, but the fact remains that we know who are the terrorists in this world today.

I do and I condemn all terrorist attacks but you also have to look at the background of many of these things.

I discount all attacks against invading foreign forces. These are not terrorist attacks but an attempt to get rid of invaders. If invading American soldiers are killed by an IED in Afghanistan - why should anyone be shocked?

I condemn all acts against civilians in Israel but I have no problem with anyone killing IDF soldiers as they're soldiers of an invading force - thus legitimate targets.

Thailand has a problem in the south but that Muslim area was gifted to Thailand against the wishes of its people. I strongly disagree with their tactics but I know why they do it.
Same goes for the Philippines. Manila tried to remove the Muslim population from the previously peaceful south so caused resentment and conflict.
Again, I disagree with the way things are done but I can understand why as the American backed, Christian government tried to wipe out Islam.

Any and all attacks against US forces are acceptable as no war is restricted to the front lines and America has attacked many countries. Add to that, attacking enemy supply lines is an accepted tactic and America supplies Israel.
That, in my opinion, does not justify attacks on civilians, even when American and Israeli forces do it.

Now we come to crackpot extremists who attack markets and mosques.
That lot are nothing short of idiots. There is a small percentage of Muslims who think they'll sit with the almighty if they bomb a market place but they're idiots.
Suicide and murder are both major sins so the bomber of pretty well fucked.
Then consider the reasons behind the bombings.
Most are designed to destabilise a government so the greedy, power mad bastards can take over and roll in cash and power.

Other groups, the FPI in Indonesia comes to mind, are less extremist Muslims guided by the Prophet; more greedy bastards aiming to make a profit.
You have look closely at what they do or, more to the point, what they don't do.
They don't attack anyone who pays protection money but do defend people who pay their rentamob to turn up.
The same goes for the Taliban - Asia's biggest drug cartel.

When you talk about Muslim terrorists - you really have to see what drives them.

 

[Indofred]

As a note, the vast majority of terrorism in the UK was by the American funded IRA.

 

[Hossfly]

As a note, the vast majority of terrorism in the UK was by the American funded IRA.

As a note, Freddie, many of these Muslims terrorists are incited by their clerics. And let us also note that there are Muslim countries who supply these terrorists with money.