Zone1 The Mistakes Some Whites Make About Americas Race Problem

[AZrailwhale]

Hillary said Clarence Thomas [a black man ] has always been a person of grievance .

It would be interesting to see if the two of them ever even had any contact in college. They went to different colleges and Hillary was a year ahead of Thomas in law school. I don’t know how much classes overlap. Hillary was raised in a lily-white suburb of Chicago and married a man from Arkansas, not exactly a hotbed of racial equality in the seventies. I doubt she hung around with black students from the Deep South in law school. The story is probably as accurate as her landing under sniper fire one was.

 

[theHawk]

The mistake is that you attack blacks as if blacks are the only one with a grievance, that whatever you think the government has done has only been done for blacks and that every othe non white group has sucessfully made it in America except blacks.

All these beliefs are wrong.

In 2019 poverty for blacks was 18 percent, for hispanics, 15 percent, for Native Americans 33 percent and for Asians 4.3 percent. Now before you racists run your mouths about Asians understand that if you take Indians out of the equation, Asian poverty matches black and hispanic with some Asian ethnicities with 25-30 percent poverty

What Drives Native American Poverty?: Institute for Policy Research - Northwestern University

Across the U.S., 1 in 3 Native Americans are living in poverty, with a median income of $23,000 a year. Beth Redbird presented her research on what has been driving this poverty rate among Native Americans at a January 29 seminar. It was co-sponsored by the Center for Native American and...

www.ipr.northwestern.edu

Inequalities Persist Despite Decline in Poverty For All Major Race and Hispanic Origin Groups

Black and Hispanic poverty rates reached historic lows of 18.8% and 15.7% respectively in 2019 but inequalities persist.

www.census.gov

DEMOS did a study on the racial wealth gap. It showed that a white family had 20 times the wealth of blacks and 17 times that of hispanics.

Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede, Lars Dietrich, & Thomas Shapiro, Amy Traub, Catherine Ruetschlin, Tamara Draut, The Racial Wealth Gap, Why Policy Matters,

https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/RacialWealthGap_2.pdf

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Earnings Disparities by Race and Ethnicity

www.dol.gov

Again, take away the Indians, and Asian income is the same as all other non white groups.

None of these things show the great sucess of every other race and black failure. It shows that every non white race and the majority of Asians have been stuck because of white racism. It is the evidence of white privilege. And if you think blacks are the only ones with a grievance:

Opinion | A Conversation With Native Americans on Race (Published 2017)

Native Americans challenge their invisibility in society.

www.nytimes.com

Hispanics progress against racism but have long way to go

The Spanish arrived from Europe in what would eventually become the United States nearly 500 years ago and began to mix with indigenous people they met and conquered. Native Americans, Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans, Caribbean islands, and...

news.unm.edu

Asian-Americans speak up about racism in Asian community, Black Lives Matter

The Black Lives Matter movement has sparked global conversations about racial inequality. The Asian community in the US is now confronted with fighting systemic racism against the Black community, while fighting its own battles against racial discrimination. The Asian “model minority” narrative...

gobserver.net

I don't think you guys understand the true position you have put yourselves in and your inability to do so is the result of going on 246 years of white preference and privilege.

What is the point of all these poverty rates for different racial groups? Do you need white people to help them?

What is “white preference”?

 

[IM2]

What is the point of all these poverty rates for different racial groups? Do you need white people to help them?

What is “white preference”?

You know what white preference is and since whites have recieved direct government economic assistance several times, you might stop asking silly questions.

 

[theHawk]

You know what white preference is and since whites have recieved direct government economic assistance several times, you might stop asking silly questions.

Are you referring to past laws that prevented blacks from such benefits?

Those were Democrats doing that and their Jim Crow laws.

 

[IM2]

Are you referring to past laws that prevented blacks from such benefits?

Those were Democrats doing that and their Jim Crow laws.

Can we cease with the stump stupid?

Both parties are complicit.

 

[IM2]

Again, the fallacy of the white racist argument focuses on blacks as if we are the only ones complaining about racism and everybody else is happy, content and sucessful.

If you take out the 101,000 per year earnings of Indians, Asian median income drops dramatically. As you see here hispanics have lower median income than whites and the racism in this study is appparent when you do not see Native American median income included.

"In 2020, the average wealth per White household was $1.2 million, while for Black households it was $279,100, and for Hispanic households it was $234,300. Considering that Black and Hispanic households have lower gross wealth rates on average to begin with, for them to rank the lowest among median yearly incomes for 2020 is especially harmful to their overall financial health."

Notice that Hispanics had less household wealth than blacks. But in here members rant about black failure and talk about how when hispanics become a majority, they will side with whites.

A look at the present-day U.S. racial wealth gap

Differences in wealth demonstrate an unequal economic footing across racial groups in the United States. Learn more about the racial wealth gap and its impact on the economy.

www.chase.com

Racial Wealth Snapshot: Native Americans​

By Dedrick Asante-Muhammad, Esha Kamra, Connor Sanchez, Kathy Ramirez and Rogelio Tec / February 14, 2022

"The United States has too often hindered Native American advancement, not advanced it. Through years of intentional governmental policies that removed lands and resources, American Indians have been separated from the wealth and assets that were rightfully theirs. Today, we still see a lack of information on Native Americans and their socioeconomic issues. Data is sparse and inconsistent. "

"Based on the 2015-2019 ACS for American Indian and Alaska Native population, the median income of American Indian and Alaska Native households was $43,825 – slightly higher than the median income of African American households, which was $41,935. The Hispanic household income for that same period was $51,811. Altogether, these numbers are substantively lower than White, non-Hispanic household median income of $68,785. In 2015, the average income on reservations was 68% below the US average, about $17,000."

Racial Wealth Snapshot: Native Americans » NCRC

The United States has too often hindered Native American advancement, not advanced it. Through years of intentional governmental policies that removed lands and resources, American Indians have been separated from the wealth and assets that were rightfully theirs.

ncrc.org

These groups have similar grievances as blacks. These groups fight white racism in the same way. Asians face white racism even as racist whites arrogantly use them as racial mascots. Whites who talk about incremental progress are ignorant about what they face. People in all of these populations are tired of whites who practice racism. Telling people to wait is not the answer. Whites must NOW begin an aggressive campaign to make racism irrelevant in the white community.

In a few short years whites will be a minority population. If whites who are practicing racism are not reduced to irrelevance, if whites do not stop putting racists in positions of authority, if racists continue to own businesses that are supported by consumer dollars, the backlash whites are going to get is going to be harsh and holistic. So consider this as you work to end Affirmative Action.

 

[Lisa558]

The fact that average incomes of blacks is less than whites and Asians doesn’t mean it’s due to racism. Blacks have more than double the oit-of-wedlock birthrate of either whites or Asians, and OOW births are associated with higher rates of poverty. That brings the overall average income down among blacks.

It’s just statistics.

 

[IM2]

In a few short years whites will be a minority population. If whites who are practicing racism are not reduced to irrelevance, if whites do not stop putting racists in positions of authority, if racists continue to own businesses that are supported by consumer dollars, the backlash whites are going to get is going to be harsh and holistic. So consider this as you work to end Affirmative Action.

You can talk all your little stupid numbers game, but each of the populations have been screwed over by whites. We are wise to the divide and conquer. Sellouts will get no play. So it's time for right wing whites to gittyup.

 

[MizMolly]

Again, the fallacy of the white racist argument focuses on blacks as if we are the only ones complaining about racism and everybody else is happy, content and sucessful.

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If you take out the 101,000 per year earnings of Indians, Asian median income drops dramatically. As you see here hispanics have lower median income than whites and the racism in this study is appparent when you do not see Native American median income included.

"In 2020, the average wealth per White household was $1.2 million, while for Black households it was $279,100, and for Hispanic households it was $234,300. Considering that Black and Hispanic households have lower gross wealth rates on average to begin with, for them to rank the lowest among median yearly incomes for 2020 is especially harmful to their overall financial health."

Notice that Hispanics had less household wealth than blacks. But in here members rant about black failure and talk about how when hispanics become a majority, they will side with whites.

A look at the present-day U.S. racial wealth gap

Differences in wealth demonstrate an unequal economic footing across racial groups in the United States. Learn more about the racial wealth gap and its impact on the economy.

www.chase.com

Racial Wealth Snapshot: Native Americans​

By Dedrick Asante-Muhammad, Esha Kamra, Connor Sanchez, Kathy Ramirez and Rogelio Tec / February 14, 2022

"The United States has too often hindered Native American advancement, not advanced it. Through years of intentional governmental policies that removed lands and resources, American Indians have been separated from the wealth and assets that were rightfully theirs. Today, we still see a lack of information on Native Americans and their socioeconomic issues. Data is sparse and inconsistent. "

"Based on the 2015-2019 ACS for American Indian and Alaska Native population, the median income of American Indian and Alaska Native households was $43,825 – slightly higher than the median income of African American households, which was $41,935. The Hispanic household income for that same period was $51,811. Altogether, these numbers are substantively lower than White, non-Hispanic household median income of $68,785. In 2015, the average income on reservations was 68% below the US average, about $17,000."

Racial Wealth Snapshot: Native Americans » NCRC

The United States has too often hindered Native American advancement, not advanced it. Through years of intentional governmental policies that removed lands and resources, American Indians have been separated from the wealth and assets that were rightfully theirs.

ncrc.org

These groups have similar grievances as blacks. These groups fight white racism in the same way. Asians face white racism even as racist whites arrogantly use them as racial mascots. Whites who talk about incremental progress are ignorant about what they face. People in all of these populations are tired of whites who practice racism. Telling people to wait is not the answer. Whites must NOW begin an aggressive campaign to make racism irrelevant in the white community.

In a few short years whites will be a minority population. If whites who are practicing racism are not reduced to irrelevance, if whites do not stop putting racists in positions of authority, if racists continue to own businesses that are supported by consumer dollars, the backlash whites are going to get is going to be harsh and holistic. So consider this as you work to end Affirmative Action.

Lower income usually comes down to less education, lack of skills and/or knowledge and lack of ambition to succeed. If it were mainly a racial issue there would not be successful people. There are poor whites, they don’t blame other races for it.

 

[MizMolly]

Lower income usually comes down to less education, lack of skills and/or knowledge and lack of ambition to succeed. If it were mainly a racial issue there would not be successful black people. There are poor whites, they don’t blame other races for it.

 

[BackAgain]

I'm sure you're fine with all the help the government has given, without which you'd have nothing,

 

[Woodznutz]

In a few short years whites will be a minority population. If whites who are practicing racism are not reduced to irrelevance, if whites do not stop putting racists in positions of authority, if racists continue to own businesses that are supported by consumer dollars, the backlash whites are going to get is going to be harsh and holistic. So consider this as you work to end Affirmative Action.

You can talk all your little stupid numbers game, but each of the populations have been screwed over by whites. We are wise to the divide and conquer. Sellouts will get no play. So it's time for right wing whites to gittyup.

This is the most honest thing you've said.

"If we blacks aren't given what we want we will take it from you by force." (Paraphrased by me.)

 

[Woodznutz]

The mistake is that you attack blacks as if blacks are the only one with a grievance, that whatever you think the government has done has only been done for blacks and that every othe non white group has sucessfully made it in America except blacks.

All these beliefs are wrong.

In 2019 poverty for blacks was 18 percent, for hispanics, 15 percent, for Native Americans 33 percent and for Asians 4.3 percent. Now before you racists run your mouths about Asians understand that if you take Indians out of the equation, Asian poverty matches black and hispanic with some Asian ethnicities with 25-30 percent poverty

What Drives Native American Poverty?: Institute for Policy Research - Northwestern University

Across the U.S., 1 in 3 Native Americans are living in poverty, with a median income of $23,000 a year. Beth Redbird presented her research on what has been driving this poverty rate among Native Americans at a January 29 seminar. It was co-sponsored by the Center for Native American and...

www.ipr.northwestern.edu

Inequalities Persist Despite Decline in Poverty For All Major Race and Hispanic Origin Groups

Black and Hispanic poverty rates reached historic lows of 18.8% and 15.7% respectively in 2019 but inequalities persist.

www.census.gov

DEMOS did a study on the racial wealth gap. It showed that a white family had 20 times the wealth of blacks and 17 times that of hispanics.

Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede, Lars Dietrich, & Thomas Shapiro, Amy Traub, Catherine Ruetschlin, Tamara Draut, The Racial Wealth Gap, Why Policy Matters,

https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/RacialWealthGap_2.pdf

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Earnings Disparities by Race and Ethnicity

www.dol.gov

Again, take away the Indians, and Asian income is the same as all other non white groups.

None of these things show the great sucess of every other race and black failure. It shows that every non white race and the majority of Asians have been stuck because of white racism. It is the evidence of white privilege. And if you think blacks are the only ones with a grievance:

Opinion | A Conversation With Native Americans on Race (Published 2017)

Native Americans challenge their invisibility in society.

www.nytimes.com

Hispanics progress against racism but have long way to go

The Spanish arrived from Europe in what would eventually become the United States nearly 500 years ago and began to mix with indigenous people they met and conquered. Native Americans, Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans, Caribbean islands, and...

news.unm.edu

Asian-Americans speak up about racism in Asian community, Black Lives Matter

The Black Lives Matter movement has sparked global conversations about racial inequality. The Asian community in the US is now confronted with fighting systemic racism against the Black community, while fighting its own battles against racial discrimination. The Asian “model minority” narrative...

gobserver.net

I don't think you guys understand the true position you have put yourselves in and your inability to do so is the result of going on 246 years of white preference and privilege.

Not much of this is relevant to white wealth disparity. Whites have worked within an economic system of our own creation, a system that relies on education, long-term planning, saving and investment, hard work and sacrifice. Those of other ethnicities that discover and use this system have also prospered here. That door doesn't say "Whites Only". Nuff said.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, take away the Indians, and Asian income is the same as all other non white groups.

None of these things show the great sucess of every other race and black failure. It shows that every non white race and the majority of Asians have been stuck because of white racism. It is the evidence of white privilege. And if you think blacks are the only ones with a grievance: In 2019 poverty for blacks was 18 percent, for hispanics, 15 percent, for Native Americans 33 percent and for Asians 4.3 percent. Now before you racists run your mouths about Asians understand that if you take Indians out of the equation, Asian poverty matches black and hispanic with some Asian ethnicities with 25-30 percent poverty

First, why should you take out Indians?

Secondly, um, no. Indians only make up 18% of Asian Americans. You can't mathematically get to the same level of poverty blacks have by merely taking out that 18 %.




So the actual number for Asian Americans is 12.3% compared to 9.6% for non-Hispanic whites. Again, bad that ANYONE has to live in poverty, but you can see the difference between an ethnicity that wants to just work hard and ethnicities that just act like victims.

 

[Woodznutz]

What is truly sad is that ordinary blacks are unable to overcome the stigma of black criminality and illegitimacy within their community, or the race-baiting public relations of black leaders who have appropriated those public positions.

 

[Woodznutz]

First, why should you take out Indians?

Secondly, um, no. Indians only make up 18% of Asian Americans. You can't mathematically get to the same level of poverty blacks have by merely taking out that 18 %.




So the actual number for Asian Americans is 12.3% compared to 9.6% for non-Hispanic whites. Again, bad that ANYONE has to live in poverty, but you can see the difference between an ethnicity that wants to just work hard and ethnicities that just act like victims.

Happily, black income is sufficient to raise them up, if more is saved and invested in their own communities. Sadly, this isn't being done effectively.

The mistake is that you attack blacks as if blacks are the only one with a grievance, that whatever you think the government has done has only been done for blacks and that every othe non white group has sucessfully made it in America except blacks.

All these beliefs are wrong.

In 2019 poverty for blacks was 18 percent, for hispanics, 15 percent, for Native Americans 33 percent and for Asians 4.3 percent. Now before you racists run your mouths about Asians understand that if you take Indians out of the equation, Asian poverty matches black and hispanic with some Asian ethnicities with 25-30 percent poverty

What Drives Native American Poverty?: Institute for Policy Research - Northwestern University

Across the U.S., 1 in 3 Native Americans are living in poverty, with a median income of $23,000 a year. Beth Redbird presented her research on what has been driving this poverty rate among Native Americans at a January 29 seminar. It was co-sponsored by the Center for Native American and...

www.ipr.northwestern.edu

Inequalities Persist Despite Decline in Poverty For All Major Race and Hispanic Origin Groups

Black and Hispanic poverty rates reached historic lows of 18.8% and 15.7% respectively in 2019 but inequalities persist.

www.census.gov

DEMOS did a study on the racial wealth gap. It showed that a white family had 20 times the wealth of blacks and 17 times that of hispanics.

Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede, Lars Dietrich, & Thomas Shapiro, Amy Traub, Catherine Ruetschlin, Tamara Draut, The Racial Wealth Gap, Why Policy Matters,

https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/RacialWealthGap_2.pdf

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Earnings Disparities by Race and Ethnicity

www.dol.gov

Again, take away the Indians, and Asian income is the same as all other non white groups.

None of these things show the great sucess of every other race and black failure. It shows that every non white race and the majority of Asians have been stuck because of white racism. It is the evidence of white privilege. And if you think blacks are the only ones with a grievance:

Opinion | A Conversation With Native Americans on Race (Published 2017)

Native Americans challenge their invisibility in society.

www.nytimes.com

Hispanics progress against racism but have long way to go

The Spanish arrived from Europe in what would eventually become the United States nearly 500 years ago and began to mix with indigenous people they met and conquered. Native Americans, Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans, Caribbean islands, and...

news.unm.edu

Asian-Americans speak up about racism in Asian community, Black Lives Matter

The Black Lives Matter movement has sparked global conversations about racial inequality. The Asian community in the US is now confronted with fighting systemic racism against the Black community, while fighting its own battles against racial discrimination. The Asian “model minority” narrative...

gobserver.net

I don't think you guys understand the true position you have put yourselves in and your inability to do so is the result of going on 246 years of white preference and privilege.

I don't think most Americans are terribly concerned about race relations. I comment about it, but I'm not all that concerned. This is America after all, and anyone can "prosper and be in health" here if they so choose.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The mistake is that you attack blacks as if blacks are the only one with a grievance, that whatever you think the government has done has only been done for blacks and that every othe non white group has sucessfully made it in America except blacks.

All these beliefs are wrong.

In 2019 poverty for blacks was 18 percent, for hispanics, 15 percent, for Native Americans 33 percent and for Asians 4.3 percent. Now before you racists run your mouths about Asians understand that if you take Indians out of the equation, Asian poverty matches black and hispanic with some Asian ethnicities with 25-30 percent poverty

What Drives Native American Poverty?: Institute for Policy Research - Northwestern University

Across the U.S., 1 in 3 Native Americans are living in poverty, with a median income of $23,000 a year. Beth Redbird presented her research on what has been driving this poverty rate among Native Americans at a January 29 seminar. It was co-sponsored by the Center for Native American and...

www.ipr.northwestern.edu

Inequalities Persist Despite Decline in Poverty For All Major Race and Hispanic Origin Groups

Black and Hispanic poverty rates reached historic lows of 18.8% and 15.7% respectively in 2019 but inequalities persist.

www.census.gov

DEMOS did a study on the racial wealth gap. It showed that a white family had 20 times the wealth of blacks and 17 times that of hispanics.

Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede, Lars Dietrich, & Thomas Shapiro, Amy Traub, Catherine Ruetschlin, Tamara Draut, The Racial Wealth Gap, Why Policy Matters,

https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/RacialWealthGap_2.pdf

View attachment 663514
View attachment 663515

Earnings Disparities by Race and Ethnicity

www.dol.gov

Again, take away the Indians, and Asian income is the same as all other non white groups.

None of these things show the great sucess of every other race and black failure. It shows that every non white race and the majority of Asians have been stuck because of white racism. It is the evidence of white privilege. And if you think blacks are the only ones with a grievance:

Opinion | A Conversation With Native Americans on Race (Published 2017)

Native Americans challenge their invisibility in society.

www.nytimes.com

Hispanics progress against racism but have long way to go

The Spanish arrived from Europe in what would eventually become the United States nearly 500 years ago and began to mix with indigenous people they met and conquered. Native Americans, Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans, Caribbean islands, and...

news.unm.edu

Asian-Americans speak up about racism in Asian community, Black Lives Matter

The Black Lives Matter movement has sparked global conversations about racial inequality. The Asian community in the US is now confronted with fighting systemic racism against the Black community, while fighting its own battles against racial discrimination. The Asian “model minority” narrative...

gobserver.net

I don't think you guys understand the true position you have put yourselves in and your inability to do so is the result of going on 246 years of white preference and privilege.

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[JoeB131]

In a few short years whites will be a minority population. If whites who are practicing racism are not reduced to irrelevance, if whites do not stop putting racists in positions of authority, if racists continue to own businesses that are supported by consumer dollars, the backlash whites are going to get is going to be harsh and holistic. So consider this as you work to end Affirmative Action.

You can talk all your little stupid numbers game, but each of the populations have been screwed over by whites. We are wise to the divide and conquer. Sellouts will get no play. So it's time for right wing whites to gittyup.

Actually, here's how it's going to play out.

Hispanics will learn English and assimilate. In fact, they already are.
Asians will also assimilate. And at current immigration rates, they'll probably replace blacks as the third largest minority. Which is awesome for me, I love Asians.
They'll do fine, blacks will keep whining about slavery, Jim Crow and other things that none of them personally experienced. They'll keep following race pimps like Jesse Jackson and Reverend Al.