Zone1 The Lion and The Wolf

[Road Runner]

Such a great message. God ALWAYS has a plan for us even if His plan is different from ours.

 

[Donald H]

The poor hungry man only wanted one or maybe two apples.

The god and the narrator of the story missed the point, and only came to understand by the lion's behaviour.

This isn't a story that will raise any opinions on Christianity or the god's imagined plan.

moral of the story: The imagined god is a socialist. The farmer has less chance of gettinig through the eyehole of a needle than the camel

 

[Donald H]

Here's the way to make this story work for Christians:

The man was only poor because he was lazy. -----------and---------

The lazy man didn't just want one apple, he was caught with a basket of stolen apples. The farmer took his apples back and then gave the poor starving man two apples. And offered the starving man some more if he had a starving family to feed too.

And the moral of the story: The farmer got through the eye of the needle!

 

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The poor hungry man only wanted one or maybe two apples.

The god and the narrator of the story missed the point, and only came to understand by the lion's behaviour.

This isn't a story that will raise any opinions on Christianity or the god's imagined plan.

moral of the story: The imagined god is a socialist. The farmer has less chance of gettinig through the eyehole of a needle than the camel

Only you would conclude that.

 

[Donald H]

This story as told by the narrator was originally aired in Gaza. Note how the poor skinny man definitely looks a lot like a Palestinian and the farmer of the olive orchard looks like a Zionist.

Christians are going to have to put some distance between themselves and this story. At least until it's rewritten to make it work for them.

The 'term' lazy doesn't need amending but a basket full of olives in the poor man's hands would help the message along!

 

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Here's the way to make this story work for Christians:

The man was only poor because he was lazy. -----------and---------

The lazy man didn't just want one apple, he was caught with a basket of stolen apples. The farmer took his apples back and then gave the poor starving man two apples. And offered the starving man some more if he had a starving family to feed too.

And the moral of the story: The farmer got through the eye of the needle!

All of us called to be good stewards. Even the people that need help from time to time. As such everyone has an obligation. Even the man who wanted the apples.

 

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This story as told by the narrator was originally aired in Gaza. Note how the poor skinny man definitely looks a lot like a Palestinian and the farmer of the olive orchard looks like a Zionist.

Leave it to you to make a political statement.

 

[Hellbilly]

Such a great message. God ALWAYS has a plan for us even if His plan is different from ours.

So, no free will?

 

[Donald H]

Only you would conclude that.

My changes would include making the Palestinian man a cripple on crutches, missing one leg and one arm, blown off by a Zionist bomb on him and his wife and children.

And maybe a david star on the farmer's hat? Colour of the star optional?

 

[Road Runner]

So, no free will?

What do you mean?

 

[Hellbilly]

What do you mean?

If you are subject to god’s plan, every decision you make has already been made. Therefore you have no free will.

 

[Road Runner]

If you are subject to god’s plan, every decision you make has already been made. Therefore you have no free will.

That's highly twisted up logic for you.

 

[Hellbilly]

That's highly twisted up logic for you.

Explain to me how I’m wrong

 

[Road Runner]

Explain to me how I’m wrong

Because God knowing what decision you'll make has absolutely nothing to do with free will.

 

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My changes would include making the Palestinian man a cripple on crutches, missing one leg and one arm, blown off by a Zionist bomb on him and his wife and children.

And maybe a david star on the farmer's hat? Colour of the star optional?

But then again you believe Russia is a victim of Ukraine. So there's that.

 

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Explain to me how I’m wrong

The man has choose if he is going to be the old wolf or the young lion. That's how you are wrong.

 

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As Israel’s disengagement from Gaza enters Day 2, we go to Gaza City to speak with leading Israeli journalist Amira Hass. A majority of the Jewish settlers have accepted a compensation package–in between $150,000 to $400,000–from the Israeli government in return for leaving Gaza. Hass reports that the thousands of Palestinians working for the settlers are receiving nothing. [includes rush transcript]

It is Day Two of Israel’s disengagement from the Gaza Strip. Israeli security forces poured into the largest Gaza settlement of Neve Dekalim today, pushing back Jewish protesters vowing to defy orders to leave the occupied territory.

Scuffles broke out as protesters set fire to tires and several cars, and a house was set ablaze. At least 20 people were arrested.

Eviction warnings to the around 8,000 settlers in all 21 settlements in Gaza and four of the 120 in the West Bank went into effect on Sunday night. Residents have until midnight on Tuesday to leave or face forcible removal.

The letters delivered by Israeli soldiers read in part “The [Israeli military] and the Israeli police share in the sorrow and pain you are feeling and expressing. Nevertheless we will see this mission to its end, while providing any possible help and assistance.”

Many of the soldiers — who are unarmed — have reportedly been confronted by protesters calling on them to disobey their orders. There are some 50,000 troops and police in Gaza right now

Around 100 families left the Gaza Strip Monday, bringing the number who have left so far to about 30 percent of the settlements’ population. This according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

More are expected to leave voluntarily today but security officials fear that confrontations with some of the 5,000 non-residents who had infiltrated the settlements in recent weeks could turn violent. Police said 500 people were arrested overnight trying to slip into the settlement of Gush Katif.

Nevertheless, a senior officer told Haaretz that he believes the evacuation would be completed within 10 days.

In a televised address on Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon defended the disengagement plan.

Ariel Sharon, Israeli prime minister speaking on Israeli television, August 15th, 2005.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in a televised address last night. It is unclear exactly how much the disengagement plan is costing the Israeli government. But last month it was reported Israel is seeking an additional $2 billion dollars or more in aid from the United States to help pay for the plan–which would in effect double the amount of aid Israel already receives from the U.S. The costs of the withdrawal include operations carried out by security forces as well as moving and compensating the settlers.

A majority of the settlers have accepted a compensation package from the government in return for leaving Gaza. An average family can expect to receive the equivalent of $150,000 to $400,000 in compensation, depending on house size, the number of children and length of residence in the occupied territories. On top of that, there are removal expenses, two years” free rent and redundancy compensation. Many of the settlers are already beneficiaries of government subsidies for settling the land.

And your point is....

 

[Hellbilly]

The man has choose if he is going to be the old wolf or the young lion. That's how you are wrong.

God already made the decision.

 

[Road Runner]

God already made the decision.

I guess you do have a point but the man had to choose whether or not to listen to God and trust that He knew better than him.

 

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God already made the decision.

Incorrect. He wants him to be a lion. But the man still had to choose.

Do you control your destiny? Or are you a fatalist? Do you believe that all behaviors have equal outcomes?