The Liberal War on the Middle Class

[thereisnospoon]

If you want 25 million new jobs and huge upward pressure on wages vote Libertarian/Republican:


1) Make unions illegal ( 10 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

plz cite where less producvity and more accidents creates jobs

2) make minimum wage illegal ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

plz cite how not being in poverty create jobs

plz cite where not having edcuations creates jobs

plz cite where making it illegal for companies to change prices creates jobs

5) make Federal debt illegal( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose[/quote[
yea that worked so well for spain and greece

6) send illegal workers home(8 million new jobs) Democrats oppose[/quite]
plz cite where spending billions to kick workers out of their jobs creates jobs
yea that worked so well for greece and spain

plz cite how paying workers jack shit creates jobs

I see so democreats makign competiion legal under obamcare meanas the made it illegal

plz cite how mercruy in our water creates jobs

plz cite how seniors not having health care creates jobs

edward like always is insane and retarded he needs anti-psychotic medication badly

1) Make unions illegal ( 10 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

plz cite where less producvity and more accidents creates jobs.....Unions REDUCE productivity. Outside of enriching itself, the primary function of a union is to maintain the largest membership possible. Getting the job done "too quickly"( productivity) is the enemy of unions.

2) make minimum wage illegal ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

plz cite how not being in poverty create jobs

plz cite where not having edcuations creates jobs

plz cite where making it illegal for companies to change prices creates jobs...
What the hell are you blabbering about. The issue is government forcing a business to pay a set wage...The minimum wage has been a job killer ever since it became law.

More to come..Unlike you I have work to do. Freeloader.

 

[IndependntLogic]

If you want 25 million new jobs and huge upward pressure on wages vote Libertarian/Republican:


1) Make unions illegal ( 10 million new jobs) Democrats oppose You are convinced that this would somehow create ten million new jobs? Interesting. In any case, no one is going to make unions illegal.

2) make minimum wage illegal ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose So let's suppose 5M new jobs would be created. If they would only be created by eliminating minimum wage, then I would assume they would pay BELOW minimum wage, correct? The trend that would create is obvious, don't you think? Do you really want to see us get to a "Level playing field" with India, where the average wage is $2 / Day? That sounds like something that would make America better to you?

3) end business taxation; especially tax incentives to off-shore jobs ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
Actually, Obama and the Dems have both discussed closing the loopholes that would provide benefits for offshoring jobs and it is the GOP who is vehemently opposed to it. I'm not sure you wrote the 2nd part of that the way intended.

4) make inflation illegal ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose LOL! Sorry but how would you accomplish that? Regulate the price that private enterprise is allowed to charge for goods and services? Where did you GET these ideas???

5) make Federal debt illegal( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose So now you would eliminate the bond market. Not that any Republican could do such a thing anyway but pray tell, please clarify!

6) send illegal workers home(8 million new jobs) Democrats oppose You realize that Obama has deported more illegals in three years than Bush did in eight, right? jus sayin'

7) Pass Balanced Budget Amendment to Constitution( 3 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
Again, please describe in detail how this would create one job.

8) cut pay of government workers in half( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose All government workers? Military? CIA? Doctors? Not that the Republicans would ever even try this but I love that you imply they would by writing "Democrats Oppose". You could as accurate write "People Not in a Coma Oppose".

9) Make health insurance competition legal( 6 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
Obviously, you're just making these job numbers up or got them from someone who did because just as obviously, you won't be able to provide details as to how this will create jobs. What? Will there suddenly be 120 million new consumers for insurance? Pardon me if I'm skeptical.

10) end needless business regulations ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose Um yeah okay.

11) restrict Federal spending to 15% of GNP( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
Wow. just wow.

12) support unlimited free trade( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose
This will CREATE jobs? Okay let's hear it.

13) reduced unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, medicaid.( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

14) privatize education, social security ( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

15) end payroll taxes ( 1 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

Since Democrats always oppose wisdom and common sense the only serious option is to make them illegal as the Constitution intended.

I'll be curious to see if you can back any of this up at all. I mean, it's hard to find anything here that doesn't seem far-fetched.

I didn't think this would get a response from the OP or anyone supporting it. I was right.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

In any case, no one is going to make unions illegal.

but you're a liberal so why bother to even try to think? Gov. Walker took a huge step toward making unions illegal, the libs called for new election, Gov. Walker is 7 point ahead in the polls. Guess which party he belongs to??

See why we are 100% positive liberals are slow??

 

[IndependntLogic]

In any case, no one is going to make unions illegal.

but you're a liberal so why bother to even try to think? Gov. Walker took a huge step toward making unions illegal, the libs called for new election, Gov. Walker is 7 point ahead in the polls. Guess which party he belongs to??

See why we are 100% positive liberals are slow??

Hmmm. I didn't insult you did I? No. But you seem compelled to insult anyone with views that don't conform completely to your own, rather than just offer a counterpoint or (gasp!) offer new information they may not be aware of, in a civil and intelligent manner.

My understanding was that the bill he introduced was ruled illegal and also that it didn't apply to private sector unions.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
If the only way you can do so is with petty insults, that's fine. I'm just curious about the information.

Oh and if you can specify how, were this bill passed, it would create millions of jobs, that would be of interest as well.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

help

you can read all about Gov. Walker if you'd like to learn about the long term Republican plan to make unions illegal again so all Americans have the same opportunity to bargain individually for higher wages and better jobs. Its disgusting that some get liberal approval to blackmail business for higher wages at the expense of those workers who don't get the liberal approval.

Your presense is an insult. How dare liberals be so stupid. How dare they bring their perfect ignorance to bear on the greatest conservative country in human history!!

Also, its easy enough to prove liberals are slow, very slow. Please say something intelligent in support of liberalism. See how easy that was. It sends liberals running for the door.

Ask conservatives to support conservatism and they are lining up to do so. What does that tell you?

 

[IndependntLogic]

help

you can read all about Gov. Walker if you'd like to learn about the long term Republican plan to make unions illegal again so all Americans have the same opportunity to bargain individually for higher wages and better jobs. Its disgusting that some get liberal approval to blackmail business for higher wages at the expense of those workers who don't get the liberal approval.

Your presense is an insult. How dare liberals be so stupid. How dare they bring their perfect ignorance to bear on the greatest conservative country in human history!!

Also, its easy enough to prove liberals are slow, very slow. Please say something intelligent in support of liberalism. See how easy that was. It sends liberals running for the door.

Ask conservatives to support conservatism and they are lining up to do so. What does that tell you?

Well thusfar, it tells me that you can't back up your claims. You can't cite facts to support your claims and when given any challenge at all, you throw a tantrum like a child, sling petty insults and make ignorant assumptions about those daring not to have all their opinions fed to them by the same media sources you do.
This also reveals much about your character. So be it.
I can tell you many things about Conservatism that I like and support thtem with fact, rather than make up a bunch of numbers about how jobs will be created.
I can do the same with many Liberal positions, as well.
There are even things I believe the Libertarians are absolutely right about.
Because i am an Independent and free thinker, you have no idea how I stand on all the issues or current events.
Whereas with someone like you, it's quite easy to predict in advance, exactly what your opinion will be on any issue or event with over 90% accuracy. It is as easy as watching FOX and seeing what opinion will be fed to you on a particular day.
So okay. Continue your petty insults but know the difference between us. You look from your coat of wool and call others sheep. Pitiful.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You can't cite facts to support your claims and when given any challenge at all,

why then be so afraid to say what facts and what challenge?????

What does your fear tell you, liberal!!!

 

[IndependntLogic]

You can't cite facts to support your claims and when given any challenge at all,

why then be so afraid to say what facts and what challenge?????

What does your fear tell you, liberal!!!

Fine. I usually find it distasteful to pick on those obviously inequipped to defend theselves but even a child deserves a spanking if they persist in bothering their superiors.

Number 4 on your list.

How exactly will a president (or Congress, for that matter) "make inflation illegal"?
The rest of your claim in this regard will be laughably easy to disect you with but let's just start there.

I predict you will fail to provide any verifiable facts to support your ludicrous claim, change the subject, sling a few more of those character-revealing petty insults and a bit of that laughably false bravado.
Or you might just Cut & Run.
We'll see.

 

[IndependntLogic]

hmm. Well ol' Eddie is online here and has posted on another thread so it was Cut & Run. So predictible.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Number 4 on your list.

How exactly will a president (or Congress, for that matter) "make inflation illegal"?

So, thats your one big question, from 100's of choices, to prove conservatism/libertarianism is bunk?? Its an idiotic selection since you obviously don't know what inflation is. You just proved you're an ignorant liberal at least to conservatives and libertarians.

To prove it to you is another story since as a liberal you're almost perfectly ignorant. Can you see the problem? It's like teaching a goldfish geometry.

Anyway, here goes, inflation occurs when you have an increase in money relative to the goods and services that money can buy. "Too much money chasing too few goods" is the expression you often hear. The solution to this age old problem is merely to pass a law saying that Fed policy is always to be conducted with the goal of keeping inflation at 0%. The current law on this subject gives the Fed contradictory mandates which I won't detail now since it would be, of course, way way over a liberal's head.

From this point forward I think you should agree to address me as, Sir, since I am the conservative/libertarian while you are merely the liberal. What do you think?

 

[thereisnospoon]

You can't cite facts to support your claims and when given any challenge at all,

why then be so afraid to say what facts and what challenge?????

What does your fear tell you, liberal!!!

Fine. I usually find it distasteful to pick on those obviously inequipped to defend theselves but even a child deserves a spanking if they persist in bothering their superiors.

Number 4 on your list.

How exactly will a president (or Congress, for that matter) "make inflation illegal"?
The rest of your claim in this regard will be laughably easy to disect you with but let's just start there.

I predict you will fail to provide any verifiable facts to support your ludicrous claim, change the subject, sling a few more of those character-revealing petty insults and a bit of that laughably false bravado.
Or you might just Cut & Run.
We'll see.

The Federal Reserve which is charged with the duty of controlling the supply of currency, is theoretically an independent body. This of course we all know is false. Given the fact that the Chair of the Fed is a presidential appointee but not necessarily of the sitting Chief Executive, serves at the pleasure of the sitting President. While the sitting President cannot summarily dismiss the Fed Chair, he or she can certainly influence who holds the Office. Therefore the executive branch has influence over the Fed Reserve.`
The Fed Reserve has for quite some time been mismanaging the money supply. It also has held interest rates artificially low.
The Fed Reserve is in part responsible for adversely affecting the US economy.
That's a fact.

 

[IndependntLogic]

why then be so afraid to say what facts and what challenge?????

What does your fear tell you, liberal!!!

Fine. I usually find it distasteful to pick on those obviously inequipped to defend theselves but even a child deserves a spanking if they persist in bothering their superiors.

Number 4 on your list.

How exactly will a president (or Congress, for that matter) "make inflation illegal"?
The rest of your claim in this regard will be laughably easy to disect you with but let's just start there.

I predict you will fail to provide any verifiable facts to support your ludicrous claim, change the subject, sling a few more of those character-revealing petty insults and a bit of that laughably false bravado.
Or you might just Cut & Run.
We'll see.

The Federal Reserve which is charged with the duty of controlling the supply of currency, is theoretically an independent body. This of course we all know is false. Given the fact that the Chair of the Fed is a presidential appointee but not necessarily of the sitting Chief Executive, serves at the pleasure of the sitting President. While the sitting President cannot summarily dismiss the Fed Chair, he or she can certainly influence who holds the Office. Therefore the executive branch has influence over the Fed Reserve.`
The Fed Reserve has for quite some time been mismanaging the money supply. It also has held interest rates artificially low.
The Fed Reserve is in part responsible for adversely affecting the US economy.
That's a fact.

Well I have no dispute with any of that. Quite clear and appreciably succinct. However, our rather entertaining friend said the "government should make inflation illegal" (And that Dems oppose this LOL!).
So you are quite correct in your description of the Fed but I'm sure you're aware, inflation could be caused by myriad variables.
The concept that the government could regulate prices so as to somehow guarantee they would never go up, is laughable.
The idea that someone could define exactly how many jobs would suddenly appear out of thin air, because the government had been given that kind of power is beyond laughable. It's pitiful.
Which would explain why Little Eddie Cut & Ran asap.

 

[thereisnospoon]

If you want 25 million new jobs and huge upward pressure on wages vote Libertarian/Republican:


1) Make unions illegal ( 10 million new jobs) Democrats oppose



2) make minimum wage illegal ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

3) end business taxation; especially tax incentives to off-shore jobs ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

4) make inflation illegal ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose


5) make Federal debt illegal( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

6) send illegal workers home(8 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

7) Pass Balanced Budget Amendment to Constitution( 3 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

8) cut pay of government workers in half( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

9) Make health insurance competition legal( 6 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

10) end needless business regulations ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

11) restrict Federal spending to 15% of GNP( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

12) support unlimited free trade( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

13) reduced unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, medicaid.( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

14) privatize education, social security ( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

15) end payroll taxes ( 1 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

Since Democrats always oppose wisdom and common sense the only serious option is to make them illegal as the Constitution intended.

Modern day liberalism has transformed into a semi-socialist ideology. Libs now call themselves "progressives".
There is nothing liberal( rooted in the concept of Liberty) about the progressive movement which to it's core seeks to create dependency on government. Progressives view the capitalist market based economic system as unfair and criminal. Progressives believe all wealth should be owned by government to be redistributed as it sees fit.
Progressives do not believe in equality. They insist on equality of outcome. That all people are the to be rewarded equally without regard to intelligence or ability. With progressives there is no room for achievement and success. These are to be ripped away from the human spirit because in their view achievement is offensive to the progressive notion that there can be no failure. There can be no one person who builds and creates on their own. There can be no failure and no success.
Progressives support the concept of collectivism and abhor individualism.

Funny thing is that every dictator that rules over an oppressed population is a capitalist. Of course, they see themselves as superior beings and don't believe that the lesser people have the same desires and intelligence they possess. That is why the leaders are always living well while the rest of the people suffer equally.

There will always be those power hungry people who feel they are best suited to tell the rest of the world how to live their lives. They are intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them, but that is typical of narcissists.

They foolishly believe that 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need' is a good creed to live by. They have no grasp of human nature and the need we all have to be free. They don't understand why people stop trying to succeed once the rewards are taken away. People will not strive to give to those who are idle and remain their equals. Many are idle by choice and, by choice, have no ability for the government to use for the benefit of others.

The only way the liberal utopia could exist is if people had no free will and if everyone actually would give and take equally. That will never happen. Everyone would also have to be willing to cede all power to an elite group of self-proclaimed rulers of the universe. Of course, the leaders will never live with the restrictions they impose on others.

Every communist or socialist country slowly transferred power from the people to the government by claiming it was for the greater good. Those who resist are accused of being greedy and non-caring. Self reliance and personal responsibility are frowned upon because the government dependents do not possess these traits.

Those who are already dependent on government become cheerleaders as the government seeks to take more from the producers with the promise of delivering more to the takers. They foolishly believe that an endless flow of cash will sustain the programs forever and many have no clue as to how wealth is created.

Obama and the Dems are currently leaning toward socialism. No question about it the way they seek to redistribute wealth and the increasing government intrusion into the private sector.

People are created equal and we have equal opportunities. Not including the disabled, we all have the same chance to make something of our lives regardless of the circumstances we start with. Poor have become wealthy. Middle class can become wealthy or poor, depending on choices. Our own individual choices determine everything. You will only be equal with others who try as hard, or as little, as you. But each of us has to build our own lives, or not, and the government cannot micromanage our lives to ensure that we have equal outcomes. If they try to do that by manipulation, we all lose.

Socialism exists under two conditions. The masses are given just enough to keep them a hair above miserable.
The second is because all wealth and income must be controlled and maintained by government, it is paramount that an elite ruling class must be established .

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The concept that the government could regulate prices so as to somehow guarantee they would never go up, is laughable.

you said its laughable( based on a liberal feeling or whim I presume? ) but you forgot to say why its laughable? Why be so afraid to even try??? What does your fear tell you, liberal.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Funny thing is that every dictator that rules over an oppressed population is a capitalist. .

that is perfect testimony to the perfect ignorance of liberals. A dictator is the ruler of an entire society who survives by superior force while a capitalist is the ruler of one company in a larger environment of 1000's of competing companies that can only surive by pleasing their constitutents and meeting their needs.

See why we are 100% positve a liberal will be stupid? What other conclusion is possible? PLease tell me if I am wrong.

 

[IndependntLogic]

The concept that the government could regulate prices so as to somehow guarantee they would never go up, is laughable.

you said its laughable( based on a liberal feeling or whim I presume? ) but you forgot to say why its laughable? Why be so afraid to even try??? What does your fear tell you, liberal.

LOL! Dude, I hate picking on people who are obviously retarded but in your case, i'll make an exception.
What you're proposing is that the government be allowed to tell ALL private enterprises what they are allowed to charge for a product or service.
You realize you just advocated a completely Socialist based economy, right???
You're a Socialist! that's too danm funny!
As it is, we have a capitalist based economy, a democratic republic with strong social programs. There are certain private enterprises where, even pricing is regulated to some degree, in consideration for support given by the government.
However, 99% of all business in America sets its' own price points.
In order to accomplish what you propose, you would have to get Conservative Republicans and Moderate Dems, to vote for a complete government takeover of private business. I dount you could even get the most Liberal Dems in congress to go for that!

But I love that in a thread where you denigrate Liberals, you propose Socialism as the solution to our problems! That IS laughable!!!

I also love that you're too stupid to know the difference between a Liberal, Conservative and Independent!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What you're proposing is that the government be allowed to tell ALL private enterprises what they are allowed to charge for a product or service.

too stupid, perfectly liberal, and brain dead!!!!!!!

we were talking about inflation which has to do with the general price level as it relates to the total supply of money. If the government keeps the supply of money constant then sure one firm can raise its prices , but that only means another has to lower his since the amount of money remains constant, thus inflation is impossible.


This is Econ 101 class one day one!! Why not wait till after college before you treat us to your independent logic again!! You can call me Sir since you are the liberal in this relataionship. Shall I call you, "my child." How old are you???

 

[IndependntLogic]

What you're proposing is that the government be allowed to tell ALL private enterprises what they are allowed to charge for a product or service.

too stupid, perfectly liberal, and brain dead!!!!!!!

we were talking about inflation which has to do with the general price level as it relates to the total supply of money. If the government keeps the supply of money constant then sure one firm can raise its prices , but that only means another has to lower his since the amount of money remains constant, thus inflation is impossible.


This is Econ 101 class one day one!! Why not wait till after college before you treat us to your independent logic again!! You can call me Sir since you are the liberal in this relataionship. Shall I call you, "my child." How old are you???

Petty insults aside, Econ101 is that, while the circulation of more printed currency is the most common cause of monetary inflation, any enterprise or industry can raise its' prices, regardless of how much money is in circulation. Price fluxuations - especially increases are often caused by factors other than currency in circulation. Our current gas prices would be an example of this and with a global economy, domestic supply and demand are no longer the primary factors in such pricing.
So if you have said "make increasing the currency circulation illegal", you would have been closer to accurate.
Unless it is your contention that enterprises and even whole industries never raise their prices for any reason other than currency supply.
BTW, I must have missed something. Which Republicans have stated they support making the printing of increased currency illegal?
What is your source for the statistic that this would create 2 million jobs? Government agency? Forbes? I'll be curious to see the credible source on this one!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So if you have said "make increasing the currency circulation illegal", you would have been closer to accurate.

wow!!!! you've gone from saying that the idea of making inflation illegal was idiotic and impossible to saying its close to accurate!!!
You may call me, Sir!!!

 

[IndependntLogic]

So if you have said "make increasing the currency circulation illegal", you would have been closer to accurate.

wow!!!! you've gone from saying that the idea of making inflation illegal was idiotic and impossible to saying its close to accurate!!!
You may call me, Sir!!!

LOL! Well if it makes you feel good and is that important to you, then by all means!

Hello Sir.

Now about those numbers?