The Great UFO Debate: Or, How I Learned to Stop Caring About Reality and Start Loving the Narrative!

[occupied]

That wouldn't be a letdown, if you're suggesting that the probe wasn't manmade.

Sure it would. The spirit of the UFO phenomena is hoping these incredibly wise beings will come save us from ourselves.

 

[1srelluc]

LOL.....The whole time Hunter's plea agreement was falling apart CNN was going on about UFOs.

Hell even MS-LSD was covering the plea thing.

Shit like UFOs is what the likes of CNN and their string pullers want the great unwashed to think about.

You know:

Never mind we have a walkin'-n-talkin' RICO case in the WH.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Many questions are swirling around the current UFO tempest. Are undocumented interstellar travelers visiting the Earth? Are they living among us? Is the military conjuring new technologies by reverse-engineering space alien vehicles? Is the U.S. government in cahoots with space aliens? I do not know the answer to these things. However, some things are clear.

First, there is no widely known evidence that compels the conclusion that we are be visited by space aliens. There is anecdotal evidence, which has reliability issues. There are photos and videos. But these could be fabricated. Even aside from this question, maybe the government is using the UFO thing to distract. What reasons would they have to mislead the public? Oh, there are about a million and one reasons.

Second, why now? Why the sudden rush to appear transparent? Related to my first point, maybe they are trying to distract from something going on right now?

Third, what is with the Congressional hearings? Suddenly, the institution that usually concerns itself with issues like taxation and fiscal policy has transformed into an epidoe of Coast to Coast. Based upon what? Anecdotal evidence, photos, and videos. Recently a witness appeared before a Congressional committee to testify about biological remnants of extraterrestrial things being recovered from spacecraft. Art Bell himself, RIP, would have questioned the credibility of this guy.

Look, I am not saying that anthropomorphic space men and women do not exist. Maybe they do. But the evidence is exceedingly weak, too much so to be taking up Congressional time. As I see it, the only good thing about this is that if Congress is busy studying UFOs, then they have less time to concoct new ways to screw us.

The fact is, if Congress is going to have hearings on UFOs, then to be fair and nondiscriminatory, they should also be investigating other such phenomena, like bigfoot. Thousands of people see bigfoot all over the United States. There are photos and videos. There is auditory recordings. There is hard evidence (e.g., footprints). The public has a vested interest in knowing whether they are going to be stalked and killed by a 10 ft. tall hairy monster when they go into our national parks. One may reasonably look at both the quantity and quality of bigfoot evidence and conclude that it is much more likely that we have bigfoots roaming around in the woods than space aliens looking to probe our rectums with glowing glass rods.

No, I am not calling for a Congressional investigation of sasquatch. But since we are doing it with space aliens and UFOs, why not? Why not have hearings on the existence of interdimensional portals, wendigos, vampires, ghosts, etc... The House and Senate can create their very own X-Files committees. Then all of the conspiracy nuts can sit around watching C-Span and getting their rocks off. Meanwhile, the country can go to shit and be further corrupted by corporatism and authoritarianism while our 401(k) savings go to shit.

As to the Committee Hearing on UAP's/UFO's, I think it is just a distraction from all the negative crap going on in our nation today.
As to any aliens, here's my humble opinion on it.
1. Our nation currently has some secret programs in the works and they don't talk about them to the public, and those in the military that are not privy to such top secret programs.
2. Foreign nations may are no doubt working on their own top secret military programs.
3. Photos being shown are simply being misinterpreted as to what is really being seen.
4. Lastly, are there actual aliens from other planets here? Highly unlikely. However, let's just say for arguments sake that we did have aliens buzzing around in our atmosphere. Why would the US send two spacecraft, each with a gold record, inviting aliens here, including providing a map, only to shoot at them when they send probes, or themselves here?

 

[petro]

Just another distraction...

 

[whitehall]

It's best to not care about reality when considering UFO aliens among us. Mars isn't the threat that Orson Welles imagined in 1939. We've been there and it's a dead planet. The rest of the solar system doesn't look too promising either. The further you get from the sun the more desolate it gets. So what's next? The nearest star cluster is about 4.3 light years which translates to a couple of million years at the speed of light.

 

[Stryder50]

As to the Committee Hearing on UAP's/UFO's, I think it is just a distraction from all the negative crap going on in our nation today.
As to any aliens, here's my humble opinion on it.
1. Our nation currently has some secret programs in the works and they don't talk about them to the public, and those in the military that are not privy to such top secret programs.
2. Foreign nations may are no doubt working on their own top secret military programs.
3. Photos being shown are simply being misinterpreted as to what is really being seen.
4. Lastly, are there actual aliens from other planets here? Highly unlikely. However, let's just say for arguments sake that we did have aliens buzzing around in our atmosphere. Why would the US send two spacecraft, each with a gold record, inviting aliens here, including providing a map, only to shoot at them when they send probes, or themselves here?

Left hand doesn't know what right hand does.
Compartmentalization of knowledge and projects can have results that conflict/counteract with each other.

 

[Stryder50]

It's best to not care about reality when considering UFO aliens among us. Mars isn't the threat that Orson Welles imagined in 1939. We've been there and it's a dead planet. The rest of the solar system doesn't look too promising either. The further you get from the sun the more desolate it gets. So what's next? The nearest star cluster is about 4.3 light years which translates to a couple of million years at the speed of light.

4.3 light years away means that's how long it took for light from there to get here.
If we could travel at light speed, it would only take 4.3 years to get there, not "couple of million years".
DUH !

 

[Dadoalex]

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Second, why now? Why the sudden rush to appear transparent? Related to my first point, maybe they are trying to distract from something going on right now?

Third, what is with the Congressional hearings? ...

Not Congressional, the House.
The House is run by the GOP.
The GOP has forgotten how to govern.
So all they have is this crap to distract from their incompetence.

 

[Stryder50]

Short of the long is that many to most Guv'mints would not use it to stir up fear and enhance power since the most obvious implication is how they are powerless to impede or prevent such blatant violations of their sovereign airspace. Confusion and disinformation better serves their purpose of not admitting they are powerless and also keep the public baffled and confused.

Also, not any "govt' would do as you suggest. Some might, others wouldn't, and it appears that for now, most have a "No meaningful comment" stance.

Much of the above stems from a few aspects you seem not to have grasped. You are not alone there since the vast majority of humans are in the same boat.
Let's take a moment to examine some of the basic concepts and issues here.
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Many of these sightings/encounters display "something" in the air/atmosphere that show ability to move and maneuver in ways our current aircraft technology can not do. Since the first reported sighting of the modern, post WWII era; Keneth Arnold, from about 76 years ago ~summer of 1947 ~ one problem/challenge has been how to label or describe what "these" are.

Kenneth Arnold​

1947: Year of the Flying Saucer​

Initially the Press/MSM latched onto a term "flying saucers" but within a few years it was clear that was not accurate descriptive. So next label was UFO =Unidentified Flying Object. However that term implies a physical device or similar and some of the reported sightings appeared to possibly be more phenomena than object. Hence in recent years there has been adopted the term UAP = Unexplained Aerial Phenomena. For now the seemingly best and most accurate and inclusive term to apply.

So starting from the above point of reference what are some of the characteristics of UAPs that are of concern and suggest they may be "not of this Earth" (or of science we don't know about yet).

A] Many sightings report they were able to move at speeds several times that of sound, thousands of miles per hour, and then come to a sudden stop, and often hover there. OR, just the opposite, go from a 'dead stop' to "instant acceleration to several times the speed of sound or thousands of miles per hour. Either example are beyond the technologies we humans have at present. Also wound result in G forces that could be fatal to occupants.

B] They often appear to be able to do right angle turns; left/right or up/down. This is not consistent with our knowledge of science, especially physics or applications involving lift via aerodynamic surfaces and conventional prop or jet propulsion. Again, there are implied G forces that could be harmful or fatal to biological occupants.

C] There are reports of sudden appearance and/or sudden disappearance of these "objects". This could be a matter of perspective related to their sudden accelerate/decelerate from/to STOP. Or it might suggest there are one or more physical dimensions beyond the three that we know of, experience, and operate within.

D] The above, if being done by physical objects~devices strongly suggest science knowledge and related technology applications beyond what we Humans can do here on Earth. i.e. "Not of this Earth" technologies and performances.

E] Along with possible additional dimensions; 4th ~ 5th ~? beyond our 3D that are being used/manipulated; these might also suggest some form of anti-gravity propulsion systems.

F] If anti-gravity physics/systems are involved, then we could be seeing something that is equal to or greater than atomic/nuclear physics in terms of power and destructive potentials. Hardly something for "children" races/species to be playing with.

In addition to the science/physics+ and technologies being evidenced, there are a couple more aspects~concerns to factor in;

G] If their are biological entities inside and operating these 'objects'/devices do they have similar or divergent biologies compared to those here on Earth? Could those divergent biologies be hazardous to Earthly biology.

H] based on the variety of descriptions on 'craft' appearances and performances, along with the reports of encounters with various types of occupants of such 'craft' we may not be dealing with a single species/entity type/agency( ET "government"). We most likely are dealing with several types of beings, from several types of social/government structures, with several varied Agendas; some of which may not be compatible with others.

I] Now add in that we mostly know only what has been made public here in the USA/West. What is known about UAPs in other more closed nations like Russia or CCP China also remains about as unknown as the many details we do know of the UAPs.

So to anyone with some experience/knowledge/grasp of what is known as military and government intelligence operations and agencies, part of the problem these past 75+ years has been: "How much do "They" (commies) know that we don't? Or visa-versa?" "What do we give away to them by revealing the full extent of what we known?"

Point is , if you go through and fully, properly digest what I've presented above, plus the nuances and "between the lines" implications, you will see that there is too much at risk still for our governments and or their governments to fully reveal what "we" know. And this is aside from factor that We or They may have "made deals with" one or more of the factions within those ETs.

And this is all going on current knowledge, experience, and encounters/sightings. Going through earliest written records from the first civilizations provide "HINTS" that the ET-They may have been around and active here for centuries or even millennia. If so, how much have "They" influenced our(Human) development and current states of affairs?

Aside from shaking foundations of most of our Religions, this could also greatly alter our History and concepts of who and why we are.
This is a bigger "Pandora's Box" than most "average" people realize or have considered.

 

[Batcat]

The most likely ET we are likely to have encountered would be a robotic probe on some errand that has nothing to do with us. How boring is that? What a huge let down.

Yes, that would be somewhat boring but still scientifically interesting.

 

[luiza]

UFO's are real. I and many other Americans have seen them.

You are 100% correct , but that is not the issue. To disagree with that premise simply shows complete ignorance of the topic . To that opening statement , we can add with equal certainty that UAPs ( the updated term) operate in ways completely outside any presently recognised or available technology. And by the proverbial "million miles " .From anywhere on our planet. Therefore , the craft either come from off-Earth , or, are being reverse engineered by "us" from crash retrievals . Either way ,extraterrestrials must logically be the source , whether they come from some distant planet or from here --perhaps from underwater bases or even somewhere " black" like Antarctica . The only way you can add to this position is from witness testimony or from whistleblowers. What you then choose to believe is from personal conviction or from sticking Sheepishly to an agenda that those in charge want to be the current official narrative. Of course, most people are unable to follow this simple chain of logic because of pre-conceptions about "aliens." Tough .

 

[Weatherman2020]

Many questions are swirling around the current UFO tempest. Are undocumented interstellar travelers visiting the Earth? Are they living among us? Is the military conjuring new technologies by reverse-engineering space alien vehicles? Is the U.S. government in cahoots with space aliens? I do not know the answer to these things. However, some things are clear.

First, there is no widely known evidence that compels the conclusion that we are be visited by space aliens. There is anecdotal evidence, which has reliability issues. There are photos and videos. But these could be fabricated. Even aside from this question, maybe the government is using the UFO thing to distract. What reasons would they have to mislead the public? Oh, there are about a million and one reasons.

Second, why now? Why the sudden rush to appear transparent? Related to my first point, maybe they are trying to distract from something going on right now?

Third, what is with the Congressional hearings? Suddenly, the institution that usually concerns itself with issues like taxation and fiscal policy has transformed into an epidoe of Coast to Coast. Based upon what? Anecdotal evidence, photos, and videos. Recently a witness appeared before a Congressional committee to testify about biological remnants of extraterrestrial things being recovered from spacecraft. Art Bell himself, RIP, would have questioned the credibility of this guy.

Look, I am not saying that anthropomorphic space men and women do not exist. Maybe they do. But the evidence is exceedingly weak, too much so to be taking up Congressional time. As I see it, the only good thing about this is that if Congress is busy studying UFOs, then they have less time to concoct new ways to screw us.

The fact is, if Congress is going to have hearings on UFOs, then to be fair and nondiscriminatory, they should also be investigating other such phenomena, like bigfoot. Thousands of people see bigfoot all over the United States. There are photos and videos. There is auditory recordings. There is hard evidence (e.g., footprints). The public has a vested interest in knowing whether they are going to be stalked and killed by a 10 ft. tall hairy monster when they go into our national parks. One may reasonably look at both the quantity and quality of bigfoot evidence and conclude that it is much more likely that we have bigfoots roaming around in the woods than space aliens looking to probe our rectums with glowing glass rods.

No, I am not calling for a Congressional investigation of sasquatch. But since we are doing it with space aliens and UFOs, why not? Why not have hearings on the existence of interdimensional portals, wendigos, vampires, ghosts, etc... The House and Senate can create their very own X-Files committees. Then all of the conspiracy nuts can sit around watching C-Span and getting their rocks off. Meanwhile, the country can go to shit and be further corrupted by corporatism and authoritarianism while our 401(k) savings go to shit.