The GOP's Eight Year Lie

[rightwinger]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?
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The sad part is....they hardly even tried

 

[JoeB131]

Spot on. The democrats want the gov. To do stuff for you and they want others, namely the rich to pay for it. Listen to them! They literally scream "Medicare for all". Do they not know it takes a lifetime of hard work for wage earners to EARN Medicare? What did they do in the ACA? That's right they STOLE 916 billion dollars from the senior wage earners! Democrats are dirt.

Okay, I think you are a little confused. Medicare was a ponzi scheme from the moment it started. You only pay in 1% of your income into it. (and the employer matches 1%) So if you make $50K, you only have $1000 a year being paid into it. after 40 years, that's $40,000 you've put aside, assuming your income stays steady.

That could be wiped out in a month by cancer treatment.

The thing is, no matter if it's single payer, Medicare, Medicaid or Blue Cross. ALL MEDICAL PROGRAMS ARE SOCIALISM. You are either paying in more than you get out in a given year, or you are paying in more than you get out of it.

All Medicare for all would do is get rid of the non-value added features like Nine-Figure Insurance CEO salaries, payments to stockholders and other things that add nothing to the quality of health care.

 

[Onyx]

Boy, good luck with THAT.
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I've already seen Trump supporters on social media claiming that Donald Trump didn't endorse the bill and had nothing to do with it.

This is rule #1 of personality cults. The ruler never makes mistakes.

 

[Mac1958]

Boy, good luck with THAT..

I've already seen Trump supporters on social media claiming that Donald Trump didn't endorse the bill and had nothing to do with it. This is rule #1 of personality cults. The ruler never makes mistakes.

Yeah, partisans will always go into damage control until they figure out a Plan B.

Deflect, pivot, attack.

It's a little insulting.
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[SassyIrishLass]

Boy, good luck with THAT.
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I've already seen Trump supporters on social media claiming that Donald Trump didn't endorse the bill and had nothing to do with it.

This is rule #1 of personality cults. The ruler never makes mistakes.

Sounds like the left and their Messiah...Obungles

 

[JoeB131]

Your history is a bit hazy.

Romney stole it from Hillary-Care.

Not really. What Hillary proposed was a government option, where employers who didn't provide health insurance paid a tax, the government made up the difference and everyone who couldn't get health insurance through their jobs were covered.

And the people who bitched and moaned about it were the small businesses. Hillary responded in typical tone-deaf Hillary fashion "I can't be responsible for every under-capitalized business."

so the Heritage Foundation came up with this nifty idea to expand medicaid to cover the working poor and expand private insurance. And that became the basis for RomneyCare.

Then after the DINO's who got elected in 2006 and 2008 wouldn't go along with a Public Option or a Medicare Buy In for people over 55, (which would have solved 99% of the problems the ACA is currently having) what they had left over was just warmed over RomneyCare.

Which the right wing hated because it had Obama's name attached to it.

 

[yiostheoy]

Boy, good luck with THAT..

I've already seen Trump supporters on social media claiming that Donald Trump didn't endorse the bill and had nothing to do with it. This is rule #1 of personality cults. The ruler never makes mistakes.

Yeah, partisans will always go into damage control until they figure out a Plan B.

Deflect, pivot, attack.

It's a little insulting.
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For Trump his Plan B is to get his tax cuts of $31 million by repealing the alt min tax.

Oops there's that word "repeal" again.

That word has not been lucky for Trump and Ryan lately.

 

[yiostheoy]

Your history is a bit hazy.

Romney stole it from Hillary-Care.

Not really. What Hillary proposed was a government option, where employers who didn't provide health insurance paid a tax, the government made up the difference and everyone who couldn't get health insurance through their jobs were covered.

And the people who bitched and moaned about it were the small businesses. Hillary responded in typical tone-deaf Hillary fashion "I can't be responsible for every under-capitalized business."

so the Heritage Foundation came up with this nifty idea to expand medicaid to cover the working poor and expand private insurance. And that became the basis for RomneyCare.

Then after the DINO's who got elected in 2006 and 2008 wouldn't go along with a Public Option or a Medicare Buy In for people over 55, (which would have solved 99% of the problems the ACA is currently having) what they had left over was just warmed over RomneyCare.

Which the right wing hated because it had Obama's name attached to it.

Yes really.

Romney merely adapted Hillary-Care to Massachusetts.

To bad the other 49 states are not as smart and would do the same then we would not need a Federal level ACA.

 

[Mac1958]

Boy, good luck with THAT..

I've already seen Trump supporters on social media claiming that Donald Trump didn't endorse the bill and had nothing to do with it. This is rule #1 of personality cults. The ruler never makes mistakes.

Yeah, partisans will always go into damage control until they figure out a Plan B.

Deflect, pivot, attack.

It's a little insulting.
.

For Trump his Plan B is to get his tax cuts of $31 million by repealing the alt min tax.

Oops there's that word "repeal" again.

That word has not been lucky for Trump and Ryan lately.

Yup. That reminds me - a couple of times yesterday I heard someone say that the vote was to "repeal and replace" the ACA.

That was another lie. This, at most, was a tweak. There was no repeal.
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[yiostheoy]

Boy, good luck with THAT..

I've already seen Trump supporters on social media claiming that Donald Trump didn't endorse the bill and had nothing to do with it. This is rule #1 of personality cults. The ruler never makes mistakes.

Yeah, partisans will always go into damage control until they figure out a Plan B.

Deflect, pivot, attack.

It's a little insulting.
.

For Trump his Plan B is to get his tax cuts of $31 million by repealing the alt min tax.

Oops there's that word "repeal" again.

That word has not been lucky for Trump and Ryan lately.

Yup. That reminds me - a couple of times yesterday I heard someone say that the vote was to "repeal and replace" the ACA.

That was another lie. This, at most, was a tweak. There was no repeal.
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Well Ryan was trying to tweak a $5000 tax rebate per year for the rich out of it at the expense of the poor.

 

[Onyx]

Yeah, partisans will always go into damage control until they figure out a Plan B.

Deflect, pivot, attack.

It's a little insulting.

Pretending this level of delusion is normal behavior is also insulting. The ENTIRE strategy with Trump has been to act blatantly ignorant in the face of facts, most of which there is direct evidence to back up. He reminds me a lot of Hugo Chavez and his supporters, but more controversy.

 

[Seawytch]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?

they had a plan. It was called RomneyCare.

Then Obama stole it.

the real problem is that the GOP has so alienated the Democrats they can't work out compromises, and the 30 or so nuts in the Freedom Caucus can pretty much hold the rest of the House Majority hostage.

Your history is a bit hazy.

Romney stole it from Hillary-Care.

No, more like Heritage-care and Dole-care.

1993: Health care takes center stage

President Bill Clinton took on an ill-fated effort to reform health care in 1993. As the president’s task force (led by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton) worked behind closed doors to craft solutions to ever-rising health care costs and a growing number of uninsured families, Republicans scrambled to forge an alternative.

Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man. The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership. There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.

Among other features, the Chafee bill included:

• An individual mandate;
  
  
• Creation of purchasing pools;
  
  
• Standardized benefits;
  
  
• Vouchers for the poor to buy insurance;
  
  
• A ban on denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition.
  

"You would find a great deal of similarity to provisions in the Affordable Care Act," Sheila Burke, Dole’s chief of staff in 1993, told PunditFact via email. "The guys were way ahead of the times!! Different crowd, different time, suffice it to say."

That said, the Senate plan from 1993 was not identical to the health care law that passed in 2010. The Republican bill did not expand Medicaid as Obamacare does, and it did have medical malpractice tort reform, which the current law does not. In contrast to the current employer mandate, the Chafee bill required employers to offer insurance, but they were under no obligation to help pay for it.

 

[brummelben]

Yet fools like you think the D and R party's are radically opposed to each other...that they are polar opposites and your devoted love for the Ds, is warranted because the Rs are so EVIL.

I fear you and many like you will never understand that both party's are very much the same. That makes you a DUPE!

Dude, the tin foil on your hate needs adjusting.

here's the real problem with the two party system. They are us. They give us exactly what we want. We want the government to do all this stuff for us, and we want someone else to pay for it.

The GOP was able to get a lot of millage out of resentment against what ObamaCare had to do, but when the rubber met the road and people faced 24 million becoming uninsured and their insurance companies being able to deny coverage again, they chickened out.

Spot on. The democrats want the gov. To do stuff for you and they want others, namely the rich to pay for it. Listen to them! They literally scream "Medicare for all". Do they not know it takes a lifetime of hard work for wage earners to EARN Medicare? What did they do in the ACA? That's right they STOLE 916 billion dollars from the senior wage earners! Democrats are dirt.

"They STOLE 916 billion dollars from the senior wage earners"
Why do you perpetuate a pathetic lie? It started out at 500 billion and rose from there, its total bullshyte

 

[brummelben]

Trump promised wonderful health care insurance : better, cheaper, and coverage for everyone

Obama promised wonderful health care insurance: better, cheaper and coverage for everyone.

Well looky there...

Trumps you guy, you should be completely embarrassed by that performance

 

[JoeB131]

Yes really.

Romney merely adapted Hillary-Care to Massachusetts.

To bad the other 49 states are not as smart and would do the same then we would not need a Federal level ACA.

Uh, no, he didn't. Romney did what Republicans always do, find a way for their rich buddies to get richer at the public trough.

 

[Mac1958]

Yeah, partisans will always go into damage control until they figure out a Plan B. Deflect, pivot, attack. It's a little insulting.

Pretending this level of delusion is normal behavior is also insulting. The ENTIRE strategy with Trump has been to act blatantly ignorant in the face of facts, most of which there is direct evidence to back up. He reminds me a lot of Hugo Chavez and his supporters, but more controversy.

It would be interesting to know (we never will, of course) what people like Ryan were thinking when Trump was making those insane promises about health care.

I'll bet they knew all along they couldn't pull this off because of the libertarians. You can't create a system this complicated when you're only allowed to use a few tools from the toolbox.
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[rightwinger]

Yeah, partisans will always go into damage control until they figure out a Plan B. Deflect, pivot, attack. It's a little insulting.

Pretending this level of delusion is normal behavior is also insulting. The ENTIRE strategy with Trump has been to act blatantly ignorant in the face of facts, most of which there is direct evidence to back up. He reminds me a lot of Hugo Chavez and his supporters, but more controversy.

It would be interesting to know (we never will, of course) what people like Ryan were thinking when Trump was making those insane promises about health care.

I'll bet they knew all along they couldn't pull this off because of the libertarians. You can't create a system this complicated when you're only allowed to use a few tools from the toolbox.
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Ryan cringed when Trump said all Americans would be covered. He knew Republicans had no plan to cover everyone
But Trump lives for the moment. Promise anything they want right now....worry about the details later

 

[Onyx]

It would be interesting to know (we never will, of course) what people like Ryan were thinking when Trump was making those insane promises about health care.

Here is a list of all of Donald Trump's healthcare promises

- universal coverage
- pre-existing conditions
- parents plan to 26
- no touches to medicaid
- shopping across state lines
- no one would be financially worse off

Republicans knew full well that they couldn't accomplish all of that in a replacement bill. I don't need to mind read Paul Ryan, because he isn't an idiot.

 

[Onyx]

I'll bet they knew all along they couldn't pull this off because of the libertarians. You can't create a system this complicated when you're only allowed to use a few tools from the toolbox.
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I bet you that the tax reform plan he supports wont have a 50% decrease in corporate taxes, 10% tariff on all imports, or will close any of the tax loopholes he exploited for 20 years like he promised.

 

[Mac1958]

I'll bet they knew all along they couldn't pull this off because of the libertarians. You can't create a system this complicated when you're only allowed to use a few tools from the toolbox..

I bet you that the tax reform plan he supports wont have a 50% decrease in corporate taxes, 10% tariff on all imports, or will close any of the tax loopholes he exploited for 20 years like he promised.

Nothing that is said or promised by either the President or his party can be believed at this point. They'll have to earn that trust now.
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