The GOP and Mr. Trump need to propose spending cuts, big ones...

[beagle9]

In other words, assuming all of your numbers are accurate (they're not), then if you were supreme ruler of the United States (you're not), then your plan might just have a shot of working. The fact, however, is that the U.S. is more than $35 trillion in debt, that's merely the amount they're willing to admit to, which means your deficit figures are also wrong, and you have no power over the U.S. government. So, again, your plan would not fix anything even if it were implemented, but it will never be implemented because there is no political will to even consider cutting the rate of increase in spending. So, again, some form of collapse is the only realistic endpoint.

And who in an election cycle is going to brag on maybe bringing about that form of collapse if they are elected because they have to fix things ? Do you even realize the level of intelligence that the voter's of today have, otherwise they have been led to believe that money is grown on a money tree behind the Whitehouse, and whoever gets the job will either water the tree for them or let it suffer for 4 year's claming the limbs had to be cut way back, so they'll have to wait till then in order to gain fruits from it again.

Meanwhile the government cuts deals and then imports what it needs while the tree grows back.

Trump wants to unlock the garden where a grove of tree's are ready to go, and the picking is ripe. That's what Trump has up his sleeve, but that makes the established cronies look bad. All metaphorically correct, so the analogy will stand.

 

[beagle9]

You are a traitor. You cheer when Israel murders Americans.

No one cares about your anti-semetism.

The issue you refer too was the subject of a major cover up by the US government, so if we were done so wrong in the situation, then why the hush hush, and then the cover up ? Were we somewhere we shouldn't have been at the time ?

 

[EMH]

No one cares about your anti-semetism.

The issue you refer too was the subject of a major cover up by the US government, so if we were done so wrong in the situation, then why the hush hush, and then the cover up ? Were we somewhere we shouldn't have been at the time ?

You DO CHEER when Israel murders Americans.

You cheered when Jew Army Rangers offed Pat Tillman and hate hoaxed it to AQ.

BTW, since you are such an "expert" on W's wars, why did W side with TALIBAN over THE NORTHERN ALLIANCE in Afghan...

start the Jeopardy! music....

 

[kyzr]

Laffer was more of a "just cut taxes" guy. Kudlow was a Gingrich guy, cut taxes AND SPENDING
It is typical of SUBs to define "conservative" as "supporting Zionist Fascist Treason against America."
In fact, you and the rest of the Pro Israel SUBs aren't at all conservative, have no idea what conservative means, do not understand basic math.... which is why the National Debt is up 6 fold since W took office, and you do not give a shit about it....

1. I'm not necessarily pro-Israel. I'm all for better there than here.
2. Basic math, like Mike Johnson and the GOP House just approving Biden's $7.3T 2025 Budget?
3. There are no "conservatives" that can get elected. Name a few if you can. The last one I remember is Newt.
4. The interest on the Debt is $1T a year, revenue is $5T, no one will cut spending, it looks like the dollar is toast.

 

[kyzr]

People paid for their SS on a contract basis. Medicare? Have no idea what it does? Cut cut cut, use common sense. Like Trump does. He has lived in reality, not unlimited like a Princess or King isolated in DC.

Medicare is free medical care for retirees. We paid into Medicare our working lives, and only need to pay for supplemental insurance, like Aetna or BC/BS.

 

[YoursTruly]

He really does not need to do that. Busting the Co2 FRAUD blows up trillions in spending that can be completely axed immediately. Zeroing out CIA and DHS saves hundreds of billions, and how much the CIA's non stop treason against America actually costs us... and maybe we can find out why DR. FAUXI was meeting with the CIA in the wee hours of the morning....

Foreign bio labs = zero out all immediately
Massive staffing cuts across the board
Sell excess Federal buildings

We don't have a king. So no president can do much more than simply veto spending bills that contain all of this stupid spending. Which is most of the bills.

Trumps not a fiscal conservative. So he won't be demanding spending cuts. In fact, he only vetoed 1 spending bill the last time he was in office. And that was because it didn't spend enough. He on record of saying "Just print more money."

Deep down, Trump is still a big spending, big government liberal.

 

[YoursTruly]

Don't worry congress passed a debt ceiling to contain the spending...

Congress has always acted when called upon to raise the debt limit. Since 1960, Congress has acted 78 separate times to permanently raise, temporarily extend, or revise the definition of the debt limit – 49 times under Republican presidents and 29 times under Democratic presidents.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Nonsense. Of course there are.

It’s a start.

And there’s zero need for the feds to be involved in education at all.

Where are they? Why does the Republican Party send all but a handful of big-spenders to Congress, and nominate only big-spenders for president?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

And who in an election cycle is going to brag on maybe bringing about that form of collapse if they are elected because they have to fix things ? Do you even realize the level of intelligence that the voter's of today have, otherwise they have been led to believe that money is grown on a money tree behind the Whitehouse, and whoever gets the job will either water the tree for them or let it suffer for 4 year's claming the limbs had to be cut way back, so they'll have to wait till then in order to gain fruits from it again.

Meanwhile the government cuts deals and then imports what it needs while the tree grows back.

Trump wants to unlock the garden where a grove of tree's are ready to go, and the picking is ripe. That's what Trump has up his sleeve, but that makes the established cronies look bad. All metaphorically correct, so the analogy will stand.

Thank you for declaring your metaphor correct. I have no idea what you're referring to about a grove of existing metaphorical trees, but that's fine I guess. Your first sentence is exactly the point: No politician is going to run on a platform of the United States needing to take its medicine and have a lower quality of life now so that we can avoid a worse collapse later. Except for Ron Paul, and, of course, he never got close to even winning the Republican nomination. So, as I keep saying, few Republicans are actually interested in cutting spending beyond meaningless gestures like the Department of Education, which isn't even politically feasible among a mass of Republicans let alone anyone else.

 

[leftwinger]

Medicare is free medical care for retirees. We paid into Medicare our working lives, and only need to pay for supplemental insurance, like Aetna or BC/BS.

So those people go to the DR (all Doctors take Medicare?) and Medicare pays the primary charges? Supplemental? Costs you what? Another $250/mo? $500/mo? They pay what Medicare won't cover? Prescriptions cost?

I have been insured forever it seems and is it always a mess. worse so after the 2008 debacle. Deductibles shot up to over $10K per family. $8K for two in the cheaper plans.

 

[leftwinger]

Thank you for declaring your metaphor correct. I have no idea what you're referring to about a grove of existing metaphorical trees, but that's fine I guess. Your first sentence is exactly the point: No politician is going to run on a platform of the United States needing to take its medicine and have a lower quality of life now so that we can avoid a worse collapse later. Except for Ron Paul, and, of course, he never got close to even winning the Republican nomination. So, as I keep saying, few Republicans are actually interested in cutting spending beyond meaningless gestures like the Department of Education, which isn't even politically feasible among a mass of Republicans let alone anyone else.

No, but they could run on a platform of gutting DC from usesless DEPTS, combining others. Selling off assets. Can't be like PeeKKKknobsonit or oleNoGoJoeB131 who constantly say nothing can be done. They even say that about the border. Of course stuff can be done. When they hit the dollar collapse it will force them to "get stuff done". The drooling imbeciles!

 

[leftwinger]

Still no answer to the poster who said debt is in US Bonds.

I ask....ALL $35T is in US bonds? All of it? What if people begin to cash them in en masse? Are there enough other buyers to keep it alive.....they buy what is cashed in? I admit I am an idiot on bonds. I've tried reading some internet Bond talk, but it is very confusing.

 

[bendog]

Getting into a war of who can shower this state or that state with more borrowed taxpayer money vs Kamala is a losing strategy.

The GOP needs to stand up and re-embrace fiscal conservatism. So far, it is making ZERO NOISES on that score. Only Vivek in the primary made such noises.

Since the W/Faux News crowd packed the GOP voter rolls with Pro Israel SUBs, this is what has happened... we went from under $6 trillion in debt (and a fuctional budget surplus) when W was elected to over $35 now....

U.S. National Debt by Year

The U.S. national debt is the total of what the federal government owes creditors. The U.S. has always carried debt, but the total has expanded rapidly since 2008.

www.investopedia.com

SUBs do not care about math. Math involves numbers and that's way beyond the intellect of the SUB.

and Dick Cheney said Reagan "proved" deficits do not matter... which is why the Cheney family is now clearly DEMOCRAT as it ALWAYS WAS....

Faux News doesn't care about the Federal Debt because that is America, and Faux only cares about ISRAEL. So the SUB "never hears" about the Debt from the two and only two things the SUB actually follows, a Jew fraud of a Christian Preacher and Faux.

For those of us who do understand MATH, this is a HUGE PROBLEM that will not go away without a big fight.


This needs dramatic attention right now. Failure to address the National Debt is suicide as a nation.


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What is this pro-Israel sub? And is this why Trump just pissed off Adelson's widow who donates hundreds of millions? Not seeking to encourage you, but I will try to understand you.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Still no answer to the poster who said debt is in US Bonds.

That's because your entire understanding of economic theory and monetary policy has to be undone before you can even begin to understand why you're pissing into the wind.

If it's of any consolation, you're not the only one. Heck. You're in the Majority.

There's a reason the Majority is always wrong. It's because it can't/won't think outside of its little box.

So, then, it gets what it deserves.

 

[Natural Citizen]

What is this pro-Israel sub?

Pretty much every USMB thread turns into an Israel/Jew thread now.

Americans need to get their priorities straight.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Pretty sure that's (predictably) not on officialdom's list of designated ''solution'' options contained inside of that littlle box I'd mentioned.

 

[Natural Citizen]

 

[kyzr]

So those people go to the DR (all Doctors take Medicare?) and Medicare pays the primary charges? Supplemental? Costs you what? Another $250/mo? $500/mo? They pay what Medicare won't cover? Prescriptions cost?

I have been insured forever it seems and is it always a mess. worse so after the 2008 debacle. Deductibles shot up to over $10K per family. $8K for two in the cheaper plans.

Plans vary. Medicare covers all my medical costs, at least so far.
But prescriptions are not covered.
My supplemental costs me about $250 a month, way better than without Medicare, like paying for Obamacare.

You need to shop around for the best healthcare plan.
Deductibles are bullshit, that's what they used to call "catastrophic coverage" it only kicks in for huge medical costs.
Medicare starts at age 65, so if you retire early you pay thru the nose for healthcare.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

No, but they could run on a platform of gutting DC from usesless DEPTS, combining others. Selling off assets. Can't be like PeeKKKknobsonit or oleNoGoJoeB131 who constantly say nothing can be done. They even say that about the border. Of course stuff can be done. When they hit the dollar collapse it will force them to "get stuff done". The drooling imbeciles!

But they couldn't. They could say it generally and they do, "Oh we need to eliminate waste, hold people accountable, etc etc," but there are never specifics because the second you give specifics you cut into some portion of the voting base's favored handout and you preclude yourself from winning. Dept. of Education is easy to say, but Reagan was saying it. Why hasn't it been done? Because nobody believes in cutting spending, and if they did they couldn't win an election.

 

[BackAgain]

Where are they? Why does the Republican Party send all but a handful of big-spenders to Congress, and nominate only big-spenders for president?

Try for clarity.

The majority of the Uber-rich members of Congress are Democratics. They almost always vote for more spending as well as higher taxes.

It’s really difficult to follow your train of thought. But if you’re suggesting that the GOP has a history of being feckless when it comes to standing up against excessive government spending, I agree. That’s one reason we need a man lie Trump at the helm.

 

[EMH]

What is this pro-Israel sub?

A SUB is a self proclaimed SUB human, one who considers himself and his demographic SUB to "Gawd's chosen people," and the SUB is "commanded by GAWD" to serve the chosen by a book, a 2000 year old book... written by the chosen.... how convenient...