The failure of overriding Trump’s veto in the House is quite strange

[danielpalos]

Walls work.

Ever hear of the Maginot Line?

there is no express wall building power and we have an express commerce clause.

Ya know...that trolling idiocy makes no sense to anyone but you.

Knock it off

you have to explain why You believe I am resorting to fallacy, not merely claim it. only bigots do that; are you on the right wing?

 

[danielpalos]

This is obviously a victory for Trump despite the fact that Dems had voted against the measure initially. It’s not like any democrat in office doesn’t care about border security given the billions they agreed to in the spending bill. It’s just basic common sense a goddamn wall is a stupid idea. Sorry, republicans, even though this was a victory for Trump, the wall will NEVER be built. Why? Because even appropriate funding for such a thing wouldn’t nearly be the only obstacle in actually building a wall along the border. Ah, the repair of Washington will probably never come I guess.

Why are you surprised the dems didn't get enough bipartisan support to override?

Congress can be all Talk and no Action; and that is OK.

 

[Jackson]

They work well over extended spans in a linear fashion especially combined with technology as well.

It is why your type dosen't want a wall.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

 

[Billy000]

They work well over extended spans in a linear fashion especially combined with technology as well.

It is why your type dosen't want a wall.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

 

[danielpalos]

We have "under God" in our pledge.

 

[bendog]

This is obviously a victory for Trump despite the fact that Dems had voted against the measure initially. It’s not like any democrat in office doesn’t care about border security given the billions they agreed to in the spending bill. It’s just basic common sense a goddamn wall is a stupid idea. Sorry, republicans, even though this was a victory for Trump, the wall will NEVER be built. Why? Because even appropriate funding for such a thing wouldn’t nearly be the only obstacle in actually building a wall along the border. Ah, the repair of Washington will probably never come I guess.

Why are you surprised the dems didn't get enough bipartisan support to override?

Congress can be all Talk and no Action; and that is OK.

Sometimes. But in this case the Sup Ct will ultimately be called on to decide if what Trump has done violates the appropriations clause. This matters. Under the const it takes a bare maj to make an appropriation unless there's a veto. No Trump has changed appropriations by taking money appropriated for one agency and/or specific activity and changed it. Presidents customarily have shifted money within agency or a single appropriation bill, but Trump is going further than that. There's no question this would be unconstitutional unless the "emergency law" allows it.

Congress is supposed to approve an emergency. Congress did not do that. Can congress even delegate it's appropriation duty to the Exec to allow total redos of appropriation bills? And even if it can, can it pass a law requiring supermajorities? The filibuster is not a law. The Law is the Byrd amendment that takes, at least some, budget bills out of any filibuster possibility.

 

[hunarcy]

They have no property on the Rio Grande right of way liar. All Texas rivers have a right of way owned by the government. Other states do to. Next lie.

Lol what the ****? Oh so your solution is to build the wall on a river. Wow that’s brilliant. This forum never ceases to amaze me lol

Your refusal to defend national sovereignty baffles many of us.

I’ve made it quite clear on this forum over and over that border security is critical. It’s just stupid to assume a wall is a good idea. How this simple nuance escapes you people is beyond me.

They have no property on the Rio Grande right of way liar. All Texas rivers have a right of way owned by the government. Other states do to. Next lie.

Lol what the ****? Oh so your solution is to build the wall on a river. Wow that’s brilliant. This forum never ceases to amaze me lol

Your refusal to defend national sovereignty baffles many of us.

I’ve made it quite clear on this forum over and over that border security is critical. It’s just stupid to assume a wall is a good idea. How this simple nuance escapes you people is beyond me.

They have no property on the Rio Grande right of way liar. All Texas rivers have a right of way owned by the government. Other states do to. Next lie.

Lol what the ****? Oh so your solution is to build the wall on a river. Wow that’s brilliant. This forum never ceases to amaze me lol

Your refusal to defend national sovereignty baffles many of us.

I’ve made it quite clear on this forum over and over that border security is critical. It’s just stupid to assume a wall is a good idea. How this simple nuance escapes you people is beyond me.

Border Patrol and homeland security who asked for the wall are the experts.
What are your expert qualifications that says the opposite of what they know and want?

Lol I’m going to need some direct quotes and none of should be ones appointed by Trump.

He has no information on the subject and his goal is just to extend the conversation and disrupt the process. He's a troll.

Border Patrol agents back Trump wall, survey finds

 

[danielpalos]

This is obviously a victory for Trump despite the fact that Dems had voted against the measure initially. It’s not like any democrat in office doesn’t care about border security given the billions they agreed to in the spending bill. It’s just basic common sense a goddamn wall is a stupid idea. Sorry, republicans, even though this was a victory for Trump, the wall will NEVER be built. Why? Because even appropriate funding for such a thing wouldn’t nearly be the only obstacle in actually building a wall along the border. Ah, the repair of Washington will probably never come I guess.

Why are you surprised the dems didn't get enough bipartisan support to override?

Congress can be all Talk and no Action; and that is OK.

Sometimes. But in this case the Sup Ct will ultimately be called on to decide if what Trump has done violates the appropriations clause. This matters. Under the const it takes a bare maj to make an appropriation unless there's a veto. No Trump has changed appropriations by taking money appropriated for one agency and/or specific activity and changed it. Presidents customarily have shifted money within agency or a single appropriation bill, but Trump is going further than that. There's no question this would be unconstitutional unless the "emergency law" allows it.

Congress is supposed to approve an emergency. Congress did not do that. Can congress even delegate it's appropriation duty to the Exec to allow total redos of appropriation bills? And even if it can, can it pass a law requiring supermajorities? The filibuster is not a law. The Law is the Byrd amendment that takes, at least some, budget bills out of any filibuster possibility.

I am simply claiming the right wing gets the moral blame for this.

We should be solving for capitalism's inefficiencies with socialism, with Pareto Optimalities not mere command economics.

 

[cutter]

They work well over extended spans in a linear fashion especially combined with technology as well.

It is why your type dosen't want a wall.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Without the wall we will spend billions a year to maintain a Large Illegal population. Atleast maintaining a wall creates American jobs.

 

[Jackson]

They work well over extended spans in a linear fashion especially combined with technology as well.

It is why your type dosen't want a wall.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

 

[bendog]

This is obviously a victory for Trump despite the fact that Dems had voted against the measure initially. It’s not like any democrat in office doesn’t care about border security given the billions they agreed to in the spending bill. It’s just basic common sense a goddamn wall is a stupid idea. Sorry, republicans, even though this was a victory for Trump, the wall will NEVER be built. Why? Because even appropriate funding for such a thing wouldn’t nearly be the only obstacle in actually building a wall along the border. Ah, the repair of Washington will probably never come I guess.

Why are you surprised the dems didn't get enough bipartisan support to override?

Congress can be all Talk and no Action; and that is OK.

Sometimes. But in this case the Sup Ct will ultimately be called on to decide if what Trump has done violates the appropriations clause. This matters. Under the const it takes a bare maj to make an appropriation unless there's a veto. No Trump has changed appropriations by taking money appropriated for one agency and/or specific activity and changed it. Presidents customarily have shifted money within agency or a single appropriation bill, but Trump is going further than that. There's no question this would be unconstitutional unless the "emergency law" allows it.

Congress is supposed to approve an emergency. Congress did not do that. Can congress even delegate it's appropriation duty to the Exec to allow total redos of appropriation bills? And even if it can, can it pass a law requiring supermajorities? The filibuster is not a law. The Law is the Byrd amendment that takes, at least some, budget bills out of any filibuster possibility.

I am simply claiming the right wing gets the moral blame for this.

We should be solving for capitalism's inefficiencies with socialism, with Pareto Optimalities not mere command economics.

Well I think all the dems voted to override, and a few gopers joined.

Even gopers are praying that Roberts kills this. LOL

Mitch the Turtle has gone so far from bipartisanship just to hold onto power, that even McCain and Murkowski bailed on healthcare. When the dems get the WH back they will run train with this thing, and I'm not sure the dems will ever agree to fixing it.

 

[Billy000]

They work well over extended spans in a linear fashion especially combined with technology as well.

It is why your type dosen't want a wall.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

 

[whitehall]

Why is it strange? Democrats consistantly voted for open borders, drivers licenses (voting rights) for illegals and sanctuary areas for criminals who enter the U.S. illegally even after they commit murder but they couldn't muster the 2/3 vote even with a couple of republican traitors.

 

[Jackson]

They work well over extended spans in a linear fashion especially combined with technology as well.

It is why your type dosen't want a wall.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

They work well over extended spans in a linear fashion especially combined with technology as well.

It is why your type dosen't want a wall.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

The costs of illegal immigration to the taxpayer are numerous, but the largest costs are education of their children, emergency medical care and incarceration for those arrested for crimes.

Despite being ineligible, some illegal aliens also get welfare the same way they get jobs: with identity documents falsely identifying them as U.S. citizens. In addition, if they have U.S.-born children, they may collect welfare assistance in the name of those children. The annual net cost of illegal immigrants (after subtracting their tax payments) to the American taxpayer is likely to be more than $45 billion. Our recent study of the net fiscal “Costs of illegal immigration to Californians” estimated the partial costs at $10.5 billion in that state alone.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...

 

[danielpalos]

They work well over extended spans in a linear fashion especially combined with technology as well.

It is why your type dosen't want a wall.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

there is no immigration clause in our federal Constitution. we should not be losing money on border policy with a Commerce Clause.

 

[danielpalos]

Why is it strange? Democrats consistantly voted for open borders, drivers licenses (voting rights) for illegals and sanctuary areas for criminals who enter the U.S. illegally even after they commit murder but they couldn't muster the 2/3 vote even with a couple of republican traitors.

We have a naturalization clause there is a difference; only the right wing prefers to lose money with our Commerce Clause.

 

[danielpalos]

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

The costs of illegal immigration to the taxpayer are numerous, but the largest costs are education of their children, emergency medical care and incarceration for those arrested for crimes.

Despite being ineligible, some illegal aliens also get welfare the same way they get jobs: with identity documents falsely identifying them as U.S. citizens. In addition, if they have U.S.-born children, they may collect welfare assistance in the name of those children. The annual net cost of illegal immigrants (after subtracting their tax payments) to the American taxpayer is likely to be more than $45 billion. Our recent study of the net fiscal “Costs of illegal immigration to Californians” estimated the partial costs at $10.5 billion in that state alone.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...

the moral turpitude of right wing bigotry?

there is no immigration clause in our federal Constitution and we should have no money losing illegal problem.

 

[Billy000]

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

What are you even talking about? You do know that a wall exposed to the elements would require an estimated billion per year to MAINTAIN for the rest of eternity right?

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

The costs of illegal immigration to the taxpayer are numerous, but the largest costs are education of their children, emergency medical care and incarceration for those arrested for crimes.

Despite being ineligible, some illegal aliens also get welfare the same way they get jobs: with identity documents falsely identifying them as U.S. citizens. In addition, if they have U.S.-born children, they may collect welfare assistance in the name of those children. The annual net cost of illegal immigrants (after subtracting their tax payments) to the American taxpayer is likely to be more than $45 billion. Our recent study of the net fiscal “Costs of illegal immigration to Californians” estimated the partial costs at $10.5 billion in that state alone.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...

Here is the flip side of the cost to tax payers: they are consumers. If they were all suddenly deported, the economy would shrink because demand would take a hit.

 

[Jackson]

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

Please supply your link for this fact.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

The costs of illegal immigration to the taxpayer are numerous, but the largest costs are education of their children, emergency medical care and incarceration for those arrested for crimes.

Despite being ineligible, some illegal aliens also get welfare the same way they get jobs: with identity documents falsely identifying them as U.S. citizens. In addition, if they have U.S.-born children, they may collect welfare assistance in the name of those children. The annual net cost of illegal immigrants (after subtracting their tax payments) to the American taxpayer is likely to be more than $45 billion. Our recent study of the net fiscal “Costs of illegal immigration to Californians” estimated the partial costs at $10.5 billion in that state alone.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...

Here is the flip side of the cost to tax payers: they are consumers. If they were all suddenly deported, the economy would shrink because demand would take a hit.

You would have to weigh the cost of the inexpensive purchases they make and the cost of the more expensive things they steal.

 

[Billy000]

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

I already did on a post on the first page.

From your link
"Upkeep for a fence that’s nearly three times longer would cost at least $750 million per year, assuming that a Trump administration wants to make sure its fence is in tip-top shape."

We have to compare that the cost of thousands (millions?) of illegals coming over each year, the cost of Sanctuary cities, health care for illegals, welfare, education, etc,

For one thing, a wall wouldn’t do jack shit to stop the flow anyway. Secondly, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare programs. They could run up the cost of emergency room visits, but that’s about it.

The costs of illegal immigration to the taxpayer are numerous, but the largest costs are education of their children, emergency medical care and incarceration for those arrested for crimes.

Despite being ineligible, some illegal aliens also get welfare the same way they get jobs: with identity documents falsely identifying them as U.S. citizens. In addition, if they have U.S.-born children, they may collect welfare assistance in the name of those children. The annual net cost of illegal immigrants (after subtracting their tax payments) to the American taxpayer is likely to be more than $45 billion. Our recent study of the net fiscal “Costs of illegal immigration to Californians” estimated the partial costs at $10.5 billion in that state alone.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...

Here is the flip side of the cost to tax payers: they are consumers. If they were all suddenly deported, the economy would shrink because demand would take a hit.

You would have to weigh the cost of the inexpensive purchases they make and the cost of the more expensive things they steal.

What are they even stealing? Crime among illegal immigrants is low because something as petty as theft exposes their status. They spend money on food, clothing, and housing like everyone else. That’s a big share.