The Electoral College is as outdated as the 2nd Amendment

[CrusaderFrank]

We're a Republic

I can see you have as much to do with dictionaries as you do with scientific papers...

democracy noun (democracies) 1 a form of government in which the people govern themselves or elect representatives to govern them. 2 a country, state or other body with such a form of government.​

...and we're still a Republic

 

[hadit]

Deciding a presidential election in a country the geographical size of the U.S. using popular vote alone is not truely as representative as the electoral college.
One party could rule because they controlled a few population centers, but the rest of the country may have different needs. It makes more sense to win majority votes in more places throughout the country then having an election decided because of New York City and Los angeles and a few other large population centers.

That's a poor justification for EC. People matter - not acreage. States get to elect their federal representative. The people (popular vote) should elect the president.

No, what you don't see is a few very large population centers are much easier to bribe and control than an entire country. And what does someone who lives in Los Angeles necessarily know about the life of farmers throughout the midwest or North Dakota. Someone like Hillary or Warren in office could do an amazing amount of damage in a short period of time.... thank god for the EC

Look, there have only been FIVE presidents who didn't also win the popular vote - so your point is moot. Meaning that 40 presidents also won the popular vote.

Well, I KNOW that had Hillary won the electoral college instead of Trump we would not be having this conversation. Had Trump lost, I would have accepted it as would have most all who voted for Trump.WHY is it that whenever Democrats lose they have to start talking about changing the rules? I mean, they changed the whistle blower rules to help get rid of Trump, and they changed Impeachment rules as well..... all to suit their needs.
Now doubt, should Democrats win a presidency, they will also attempt to stack the supreme court..... because, again, they always need to change things when they lose.
And now, its getting rid of the E.C. because they lost. Why dont they just try appealing to the needs of the country? Hillary hardly tried at all and Trump out campaigned her while she could barely stand on her own two feet.

BS. If this happened to Trump, he would still be challenging the results and all the anti Hillary people would demand congress get rid of the EC. And as republicans were the majority until 2018, the EC would have been abolished. Trump didn't out campaign anyone if he lost the popular vote. Republicans support Trump because he is stacking the courts. Why do you republicans lie so fucking much?

Nobody changed any rules to get Trump. The motherfucker violated the law as well as broke his oath of office. Republicans don't get to live by a different set of rules and you need to quit believing what a person who has lied over 13,000 times tells you.

You do know, don’t you, that it would require a constitutional amendment to abolish the EC? There’s no way anyone could have abolished it in 2 years just because they had a majority in Congress.

 

[cnm]

and we're still a Republic

And a democracy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

and we're still a Republic

And a democracy.

Democratic Republic, but democratic is the modifier for Republic

 

[cnm]

Democratic Republic, but democratic is the modifier for Republic

By definition the US is a democracy. But I know you're a stranger to reference books and their contents.

 

[Correll]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

In each state, whichever party garners a majority of popular votes, regardless of how narrow the margin, wins all the electoral votes. By forcing residents in each state ultimately to vote as a block, the system is supposed to ensure that small states' interests are not drowned out by those of larger states.

U.S. Electoral Vote Map

Why limit it to just those two parts? Admit that you don't care about any of it. All dead white men shit anyways, right?

 

[iceberg]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

In each state, whichever party garners a majority of popular votes, regardless of how narrow the margin, wins all the electoral votes. By forcing residents in each state ultimately to vote as a block, the system is supposed to ensure that small states' interests are not drowned out by those of larger states.

U.S. Electoral Vote Map

Thoust anus hurts badly.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democratic Republic, but democratic is the modifier for Republic

By definition the US is a democracy. But I know you're a stranger to reference books and their contents.

No, Honey Boo Boo, it's a Republic. Get a refund on your public school edjamankashun

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democratic Republic, but democratic is the modifier for Republic

By definition the US is a democracy. But I know you're a stranger to reference books and their contents.

Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it."

 

[Pellinore]

We're both a democracy and a republic. "Democracy" is a wide term meaning any government in which the power to make change rests in the hands of all of the people (which ours does), as opposed to an autocracy (one person), an oligarchy (a council or other small group), or a theocracy (religious leadership). What we are not is a pure (or direct, or Athenian) democracy, in which every government decision is voted upon by all of the people, which is obviously way too involved and unwieldy for a country our size.

A republic (which literally means a "public thing") is the opposite of a monarchy. In a republic, the positions of power in the seat of government are earned rather than fixed; in a democratic republic such as ours, those positions are therefore earned through democratic processes. Therefore, in an American context, 'republic' refers to the fact that we elect our representatives and send them to DC.

Bonus term: We're also a federal republic, meaning that we're a collection of smaller, otherwise-independent states collected under one federal government which therefore holds power over those states. The opposite of that would be a confederacy, in which the states are unified but still retain most of their independent power.

The United States, as designed, is therefore both a representative democracy and a federal republic.

 

[CWayne]

Time to end the Electoral College in favor of Popular Vote!

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

Article V, U.S. Constitution

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The electoral college is proof we are not a democracy

Another to whom dictionaries are anathema.

Speak for your own misinformation
America is a Republic.

 

[dblack]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

And like the Second Amendment, if you try to sabotage it, it means war.

If they want to get rid of the electoral college, they'll probably need to eliminate the Second Amendment first.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We're a Republic

I can see you have as much to do with dictionaries as you do with scientific papers...

democracy noun (democracies) 1 a form of government in which the people govern themselves or elect representatives to govern them. 2 a country, state or other body with such a form of government.​

This trumps your dictionary
Art. 4
Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

 

[Wyatt earp]

and we're still a Republic

And a democracy.

Well good thing gay marriage is still illegal then fruit loops

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We're a Republic

I can see you have as much to do with dictionaries as you do with scientific papers...

democracy noun (democracies) 1 a form of government in which the people govern themselves or elect representatives to govern them. 2 a country, state or other body with such a form of government.​

This trumps your dictionary
Art. 4
Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

He got trumped

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Democratic Republic, but democratic is the modifier for Republic

By definition the US is a democracy. But I know you're a stranger to reference books and their contents.

By the Constitution, we are not.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

...and to the Republic for which it stands

 

[joaquinmiller]

Republic means ultimate power (theoretically) rests with the people, and democracy refers to how the leaders are chosen. There's no conflict between the expressions.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Republic means ultimate power (theoretically) rests with the people, and democracy refers to how the leaders are chosen. There's no conflict between the expressions.

And we are not a democracy