Again, I'm not going to say willful, in that they intended to kill him, because I don't think I believe that that was their intended goal.
Maybe I'm thinking of it differently, but, willful would imply an intent to kill. I think they were just not paying attention and observing Floyd's situation, and they failed to react properly, and perhaps if they were actually trained to remain on someone's neck for a certain period of time, that training is....faulty, and needs to be revised.
I do agree, it looks bad that the onlookers were making the suggestions that the police should have been thinking of. Heck, even if the police weren't thinking that, the onlookers telling them should have been a reminder to do what they were suggesting.
Here's the simplistic breakdown of the degrees of murder...
- 1st Degree: I decide to kill you before hand and go about doing it (woman hiring a hitman for hubby, or me walking up to you and just stabbing you to death seemingly out of the blue but I disliked you for a long time)
- 2nd Degree: You and I get into an argument, that leads to a physical altercation and during the impromptu altercation I decide that I have to kill you (or did something that's very likely that will result in your dead)
- 3rd Degree: I was doing something and ignorantly kill you. (like reckless driving, or losing control of my vehicle innocently or we were arguing, you got in my face, I shove you back to get you out of my face, but you stumble back and hit your head on the table and die on the spot)
That's the simplest description that I believe explains it nicely.
So, first degree murder is pre meditated.
Second degree means intentionally killing someone without planning to do so in advance.
Third degree is the same as manslaughter. Manslaughter can either be voluntary manslaughter when a person wants to harm another person, but not kill them.
I think involuntary manslaughter (which would be under 3rd degree murder) is the one they will get him on. examples of involuntary manslaughter can include negligence (like when a child dies under someone’s care), death during a car accident, and other reckless acts that cause someone’s death.
In this case, chauvin caused a death during the course of his job by failing to maintain the safety of his detainee.
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Chauvin hadn't any idea the perpetrator of counterfeit theft had chosen suicide by pharma Roulette. Not a clue!
You don't condemn a man for going by his public employer's written requirements.
And drugs killed the man, not Chauvin. PM
I disagree. What we know is that Floyd was awake and seemingly fine until he was put to the ground. We know that the ambulance was on the way. Had they not knelt on Floyd, and allowed him to stand up so he could breath, the ambulance may have gotten there in time to save him.
I understand what you are saying, I just don't think you can conclusively know that, because Floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe before they put him down, and then again after they put him down. He seemed to be doing fine until they started kneeling on him, then it only took 4 minutes for him to stop responding.
You just can't know whether or not he would have survived or not,, or if kneeling on him sped up his death that could have been prevented by the arriving ambulance.
I saw the videos and watched the story as it played out. The first video showed Mr. Lloyd having his bill rejected, the police catching up with him, stopping, and dealing with his uncooperative pushing and shoving to escape. The man was an aggressive man trying to avoid his arrest with maximum power exerted. I saw the edited fluff stuff you saw as well.
Crime committed. Criminal eludes police who were called by a small business. Criminal meets detectives. Floyd,,'
No they haven't.
You have already found Chauvin guilty.
Your OP was a great idea, to make an official trial thread - sadly this one won't be it.
But it will be a great Chauvin trial opinion thread
I pride myself on basing my opinions on
fact.
The facts in this matter don't bode
well for Chauvin.
Just sayin'.
Bull Here's a fact: Chauvin is not the first man being tried with Democrat malice aforethought. His acquittal would be fair if Demmies do not appoint a scorched earth judge.
The video i saw was the one crowder showed. 20 minutes unedited, are you saying that video was edited? There was more violence?
I think you and I are seeing the same thing, from two different perspectives.
I didn't see Floyd as aggressive. The entire time he was crying and pleading with the officers. Yes, he was struggling, but he was trying to talk to the officers.
Yes, he probably should have just put his hands behind his back, but you have to understand what, from what I saw, he was going through. If you are panicked and in fear, your natural reaction is to struggle. Once they had him in cuffs, the situation should deescalate and the officers should listen to their detainee. They should have heeded his words and understood that he wasn't trying to fight them, he was operating in panic mode.
I know I sound like a broken record, I just fail to see how people can't see what I was seeing. I think some people are so ate up with partisanship that they will defend a position fiercely, even when it is wrong, just to stick to the party narrative. I wish people could see beyond it and actually look at what is before their eyes, and use a little humanity
Yes, Floyd may have done some bad things, but that doesn't mean he loses his right to justice and a fair trial.
Officers have to have good judgment and rise above personal feelings to be able to enforce the law equally and fairly.
When someone is pleading with you that they can't breathe, and that they have claustrophobia and anxiety,and when they become unresponsive, and when the EMT was denied access to check on the person, and when they continue to kneel on the person for 5 minutes after they stop moving, and when people on the side watching are begging the officers to check his pulse, and when another officer suggests twice that they should roll him onto his side, and is denied, that is not exercising good judgment.
