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[peacefan]

MH17 shoot down 'ordered by Putin' as expert claims he told Xi: 'Leave it to me'



The Russian and Chinese leaders saw the attack as "revenge" against the US, a book has claimed.

Remote : Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:31:00 +0000
Local : 2022-11-17(Thursday) 10 : 31 : 00
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MH17 shoot down 'ordered by Putin' as expert claims he told Xi: 'Leave it to me'​

The Russian and Chinese leaders saw the attack as "revenge" against the US, a book has claimed.​

On Thursday, a Dutch court will give its long-awaited verdict on the case of Malaysia Airlines flight 17, shot down over eastern Ukraine in July 2014, killing all 298 people on board.

The flight – headed to Malaysia's Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam Schiphol Airport – flew over Ukraine not long after Russian President Vladimir Putin sent his forces in to annex Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk.

Fighting between the two countries was taking place on the ground and in the air, leading to Ukraine closing the airspace below 32,000 feet.

Flying at 33,000 feet, the Boeing 777 lost contact at 1:20pm GMT. The Dutch Safety Board, US and German intelligence concluded that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists. The Russian government has always denied any involvement.

Now, after eight long years, the trial in Amsterdam will offer a verdict on whether three Russians and one Ukrainian are responsible for mass murder, bringing some closure to the bereaved families of those killed in the incident.

Those on trial – who include Igor Girkin, who prosecutors day is a former FSB colonel – all refused to appear in court and were tried in absentia. Whatever the outcome on Thursday, it is thought unlikely that any of the accused will serve jail time, but the investigation has provided some incontestible evidence for the history books.

But already, a number of experts have concluded that Russia was ultimately responsible for the MH17 attack. This includes Florence De Changy, who wrote the book, The Disappearing Act: The Impossible Case of MH370.

In fact, she suggests in the book that Putin himself could have been responsible, shooting down the plane to achieve two things – to get "revenge" on the US and improve his relationship with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

The Rich play their games. Manipulation. Gambling. with the lives of the innocent hard workers.
Earth is not Communist, Socialist, or Democratic. IT IS CAPITALIST. end of story?

 

[peacefan]

i believe we are in the 1920s-to-1930s NW-EU version, globally speaking, right now, in 2022.

Assisted dying for mental illness is now a thing.

The next time some teenage girl says "I'd rather die than wear that dress. " The answer will be "roll up your sleeve".

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[peacefan]

is artificial scarcity evil? I SAY IT IS.

 

[peacefan]

have western governments become evil? or have they always been like that, since the days of the tribal leaders and kings and early emperors?

 

[ReinyDays]

Who protects the worker/slaves from bullies? ... well, this starts with the worker/slave making more product to give to the bully ... in return, the bully makes sure the worker/slave is left in peace to make more product ... both prosper, thus begins our feudal relationship ... the contract between People and Government is formed ...

The Dutch invented capitalism in 1602 ... the first market crash was in 1634 ... we have not learned that lesson yet ...

 

[BothWings]

MH17 shoot down 'ordered by Putin' as expert claims he told Xi: 'Leave it to me'



The Russian and Chinese leaders saw the attack as "revenge" against the US, a book has claimed.

Remote : Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:31:00 +0000
Local : 2022-11-17(Thursday) 10 : 31 : 00
Found via World Headlines on nicer.app



The Rich play their games. Manipulation. Gambling. with the lives of the innocent hard workers.
Earth is not Communist, Socialist, or Democratic. IT IS CAPITALIST. end of story?

I do agree with the very end of what you said. However I think there are very different levels of fair and unfair play in capitalism. Aside from guaranteeing human rights, being an impartial referee in that game should be a government's only other function. And if you're going to mess with someone beyond fair competition, don't be surprised if he messes with you back.

 

[peacefan]

Who protects the worker/slaves from bullies? ... well, this starts with the worker/slave making more product to give to the bully ... in return, the bully makes sure the worker/slave is left in peace to make more product ... both prosper, thus begins our feudal relationship ... the contract between People and Government is formed ...

The Dutch invented capitalism in 1602 ... the first market crash was in 1634 ... we have not learned that lesson yet ...

that's deep. near my crush-depth even, lol.

and you had a useful tip for me (1602).

i'll give *you* some space tonight.

 

[peacefan]

I do agree with the very end of what you said. However I think there are very different levels of fair and unfair play in capitalism. Aside from guaranteeing human rights, being an impartial referee in that game should be a government's only other function. And if you're going to mess with someone beyond fair competition, don't be surprised if he messes with you back.

human rights are REGULARLY ignored or even VIOLATED *by* western governments.
you're dismissed.

 

[peacefan]

WE ARE CURRENTLY RESTING AT THE STALEMATE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF *GREED*.

 

[peacefan]

FAIR WARNING : THIS IS A *VERY* SERIOUS FIGHT, HERE IN THIS THREAD.
A LAST STAND.

the rich vs the poor.
and psychological warfare is ON the table.
because your guns, rich, are as well.

 

[BothWings]

human rights are REGULARLY ignored or even VIOLATED *by* western governments.
you're dismissed.

No I'm not.

Human rights are ignored by governments when they're paid by people with money who make that money by fucking consumers over. They pay the governments to conveniently not do their jobs while the corporations have their way with us. Corporate meddling in government is the most prominent corruptive influence of all, especially when that meddling comes to the US from outside the US.

 

[peacefan]

Zelensky says ‘even more victims’ of Russian troops in Borodyanka

Ukrainian president says international sanctions that have been imposed so far are not yet sufficient to stop Russia and end the war.

www.scmp.com

the useful idiot.
hard at work.
securing his own retirement funds.

 

[ReinyDays]

that's deep. near my crush-depth even, lol.

and you had a useful tip for me (1602).

i'll give *you* some space tonight.

No ... this is history ... the fundamental basis for all governments worldwide ... North Koreans can't be trusted to decide their own haircuts ... if they were allowed, they choose mullets ... do we want a world with mullet-wearing Koreans running around? ... just come to the United States and you'll see for yourself just how awful that is ...

So far ... communism has only replaced brutal dictatorships ... Russians were much better off under the Soviets than they were with the Tzars ... the Baptistas were murdering the Cubans ... we can't blame the Chinese people for thinking "republic" is a dirty word, think 2nd Sino-Japanese War ...

 

[peacefan]

 

[peacefan]

and admittedly, the whole world has been at war since the day fish swam the oceans.
but greed, people, greed takes the suffering to the heights of Pluto.

 

[ReinyDays]

and admittedly, the whole world has been at war since the day fish swam the oceans.
but greed, people, greed takes the suffering to the heights of Pluto.

You speak of Christian Ideals ... and the return to the garden ... good luck with that ...

You need to stop being a bully ... God commands "the meek shall inherit the Earth" ... try to be more humble and for God's sake, study some history will ya? ... the development of Western Government isn't a mystery, and within such you'll find all the answers you're looking for ...

... that's if you want these answers ... I suspect you don't ...

 

[peacefan]

You speak of Christian Ideals ... and the return to the garden ... good luck with that ...

You need to stop being a bully ... God commands "the meek shall inherit the Earth" ... try to be more humble and for God's sake, study some history will ya? ... the development of Western Government isn't a mystery, and within such you'll find all the answers you're looking for ...

... that's if you want these answers ... I suspect you don't ...

when you do the bullying, it's all right. it's just self-defense.

but when i do the bullying on you, i need to stop it.. lol.
what's next? threats?

 

[peacefan]

for your consideration (as per the topic of *this* thread) : Justice Department signals it plans to ask the Supreme Court to reinstate Biden's student debt relief program

... i think this is a good idea. people should not be kept in debt all of their lives.

if the moderators want me to find another solution to keep threads on-topic on this forum, please just do your thing and send me a PM with your thoughts

 

[peacefan]

You speak of Christian Ideals ... and the return to the garden ... good luck with that ...

You need to stop being a bully ... God commands "the meek shall inherit the Earth" ... try to be more humble and for God's sake, study some history will ya? ... the development of Western Government isn't a mystery, and within such you'll find all the answers you're looking for ...

... that's if you want these answers ... I suspect you don't ...

i do want the answers. i just don't have the time to dig through tons of history books and history websites myself

 

[peacefan]

Russia-Ukraine grain deal extended in win for food prices
A wartime agreement unblocking grain shipments from Ukraine helped temper rising global food prices and will be extended, according to the United Nations.

Remote : Thu, 17 Nov 2022 23:52:36 GMT
Local : 2022-11-18(Friday) 00 : 52 : 36
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YES! now that's more like it, world leaders!