The Constitution - as written - can it be better?

How can a document that is godless be better? What Jesus came to save is the soul. No mention of saving that in the constitution. Don't have that emphasized, the power of people will be leaned upon leading to war.
 
What bothers you most about the Constitution? The stilted language or the intent? The "Bill of Rights" set the United States apart from the rest of the globe and in two hundred years the freedom that the Constitution allowed made the US the most powerful and prosperous Nation in history. It seems incredible that a little more than ten years after we were attacked by a jihad who live in the 6th century there is a faction of mostly liberal and socialist Americans who are dissatisfied with the freedom that made us great.

One could say that is amazing. But, IMO, it is not. The Equal Rights Amendment was never adopted. Clearly those same liberal and socialist Americans are perfectly OK with the past and current status of women in this country and with the country of that jihadist.

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The president has brought foreigners here for due process of law. Yet, he ordered a hit on an American citizen. I'd say that the Constitution is pretty much a non entity at present and I'm not sure what purpose writing another would serve.

13 states holding it up

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Some people think the Constitution can be better, and some think it cannot be improved. If it can be improved there is a fairly difficult procedure to amend it. Meanwhile it has proven to be remarkably durable, resilient and adaptable to modern circumstances.
 
The anti federlists also predicted that a centralized government would eventually overstep the bounds of the constitution - and they have been proven right - even with all the checks and balances in place.
Congress should never have been given the power to fix their own salaries - who would run a business like that?

Most corporations.
 
The constitution it self has enumerations allowing the document to be amended.

Why have rule from the dead?
 
We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling and other related cases, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.

We the People, Not We the Corporations

On January 21, 2010, with its ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are persons, entitled by the U.S. Constitution to buy elections and run our government. Human beings are people; corporations are legal fictions.

We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United and other related cases, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.

The Supreme Court is misguided in principle, and wrong on the law. In a democracy, the people rule.

We Move to Amend.

". . . corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires. Corporations help structure and facilitate the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their 'personhood' often serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of “We the People” by whom and for whom our Constitution was established."
~Supreme Court Justice Stevens, January 2010

https://movetoamend.org
 
We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling and other related cases, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.

We the People, Not We the Corporations

On January 21, 2010, with its ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are persons, entitled by the U.S. Constitution to buy elections and run our government. Human beings are people; corporations are legal fictions.

We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United and other related cases, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.

The Supreme Court is misguided in principle, and wrong on the law. In a democracy, the people rule.

We Move to Amend.

". . . corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires. Corporations help structure and facilitate the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their 'personhood' often serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of “We the People” by whom and for whom our Constitution was established."
~Supreme Court Justice Stevens, January 2010

https://movetoamend.org

And the supreme court shall not have the power to chamge the definitions contained in established dictionaries.
 
The problems with Consitutional Fundmentalism are rather obvious. Those who believe in this political theory, unlike the founding fathers, must believe that the 1789 consitution was perfect AND perfectly obvious, too.

That belief system presumes that the words in that document are not subject to interpretation. They are obviously wrong, That is why the founding fathers created the SCOTUS. To interpret what the words on the paper actually mean and how our government is meant to carry out the principles in that document.

The other problem ought to be obvious, too. The 1789 constiution sanctioned slavery with the 3/5th clause and it failed to grant the franchise to women, too.

So the next time sombebody tells you that they believe in the literal interpretation of the original US constitution, ask them if they also believe that we need to literally follow the 3/5th clause.


"Representative and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several
States which may be included within this Union, according to their
respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole
Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of
Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons."
 
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Does it really appear to most of you that what the constitution says actually matters anymore?

Have you read the patriot act?
 
The reason the congress was established was because the people were spread out and communication was slow. They needed representatives to make government and the military responsive. We don't need that anymore. We also don't need a president who is "the most powerful man in the world". He is a diplomat that is supposed to serve and protect our rights. Congress is supposed to do the same through the passage of laws but the laws that are passed now only serve to restrict our rights. They represent their own best interests and not that of the nation and its people.

No, the reason congress was established was because the business of government is a field of specialization just like any other profession, trade or job. Do you want to make and enforce law or public policy? You have to specialize in the field and make enormous amounts of time to dedicate yourself to doing that job. Some people will take time out of their lives to do this temporarily (see former Nebraska coach Tom Osborne) or they will make it their life's work (see Ted Kennedy). Normal civilians have NO time for this because they want to specialize in something else (like carpentry, auto repair, medicine, computer programming just to name some) and to do this on top of marriage and family which pretty much gobbles up all the time a person has. Good luck getting every citizen to in essence be their own congressperson. They simply don't have the time or desire.
 
Our founding documents are almost unique in history in that they were written by a group of selfless political philosophers who were inventing an entirely new form of government. Understandably, their biggest failing was not foreseeing the subsequent rise of political partisanship, led by Thomas Jefferson.

Americans should face it, those selfless political philophers had economics as one of their goals. Economics was one of the primary reasons for the writing of the constitution. Jefferson was part of the group that wanted to make the constitution less selfish and give the new nation even more liberty. Political parties began forming before the Constitution was even ratified, liberals insisting a Bill of Rights be added or they would not sign off. The Declaration of Independence was probably more liberal than the constitution, but the Declaration had a propaganda purpose.
 
Our founding documents are almost unique in history in that they were written by a group of selfless political philosophers who were inventing an entirely new form of government. Understandably, their biggest failing was not foreseeing the subsequent rise of political partisanship, led by Thomas Jefferson.

Americans should face it, those selfless political philophers had economics as one of their goals. Economics was one of the primary reasons for the writing of the constitution. Jefferson was part of the group that wanted to make the constitution less selfish and give the new nation even more liberty. Political parties began forming before the Constitution was even ratified, liberals insisting a Bill of Rights be added or they would not sign off. The Declaration of Independence was probably more liberal than the constitution, but the Declaration had a propaganda purpose.

Jefferson wanted to write an anti-slavery clause in the Declaration Of Independence but many of the landed gentry was against it.
 
Can it be better maybe but who do you really trust in this day and age not to make it worse in a attempt to make it better?

I trust the people.

Vox populi vox deus.

That's the basic premise behind the concept of demoracy.

Note that we do not live in a democracy?

the trouble with democracy is that it is run by people who WANT power.

The very fact that they want power ought to make them ineligble to have it.
 
Can it be better maybe but who do you really trust in this day and age not to make it worse in a attempt to make it better?

I trust the people.

Vox populi vox deus.

That's the basic premise behind the concept of demoracy.

Note that we do not live in a democracy?

the trouble with democracy is that it is run by people who WANT power.

The very fact that they want power ought to make them ineligble to have it.

The constitution has changed from it's priginal tenants. We are much closer to becoming a form of democracy as when it was first written.

Most people could not even vote and senators were not elected by the people,

It's part of evololution. Time changes things and things change over time.
 
I trust the people.

Vox populi vox deus.

That's the basic premise behind the concept of demoracy.

Note that we do not live in a democracy?

the trouble with democracy is that it is run by people who WANT power.

The very fact that they want power ought to make them ineligble to have it.

The constitution has changed from it's priginal tenants. We are much closer to becoming a form of democracy as when it was first written.

Most people could not even vote and senators were not elected by the people,

It's part of evololution. Time changes things and things change over time.

No it hasn't. It is scary how few people understand the whole point of the constitution is to protect people from the tyranny of the majority. Please go read the Federalist papers.

I do think switching the House of Representatives to proportional system would actually help our freedoms. With two majority parties it is two easy for the powerful to control the reins of power and stifle any debate. A proportional government with Ron Paul as the head of the libertarian group would have opposed and checked some of the abuses of power we have seen from both Bush and Obama.
 
Can it be better maybe but who do you really trust in this day and age not to make it worse in a attempt to make it better?

I trust the people.

The founders didn't. The whole point of the constitution is to protect from the tyranny of the majority.

Don't know if any of you have taken personality assessments in your company. But around 70% of the population are Guardians. They trust people, guard the institutions of power, and are often the leaders. Those weren't the founders as the Guardians of that time were still in Europe. It is exactly those people the constitution protects us from and why the founders believed we would need a revolution about every 200 years.
 
The Constitution exists only in the context of its case law.

However ‘written,’ be it the Constitution or a law, it is subject to interpretation by the courts.

Every perception of the Constitution is an interpretation, including those who advocate a ‘literal reading’ of the Constitution.

By applying the Constitution and its case law to real-world cases and controversies, the courts develop a legal framework used to subject laws and policies to judicial review.

The Framers of the Constitution understood it would be impossible to compose a document so comprehensive as to acknowledge every right of the citizen or every power of the government; rather, they enshrined in the Constitution fundamental principles designed to protect each person’s civil liberties, and afford the means to challenge those laws believed to be offensive to the Constitution.

As for this and similar revisions in the ‘new constitution’:

Section 4. Any officer or judge may be removed by a simple majority vote showing a lack of confidence in their performance of their job or by being convicted for any crime while in office.

This is the foundation for mob rule and it is in clear conflict with a Republican form of government, guaranteed in the Constitution, missing in the revision. The OP seeks to destroy the Republic, which is in of itself madness.
 
The anti federlists also predicted that a centralized government would eventually overstep the bounds of the constitution - and they have been proven right - even with all the checks and balances in place.
Congress should never have been given the power to fix their own salaries - who would run a business like that?

Nonsense.

The Constitution affords Congress powers both enumerated and implied, it has overstepped no bounds.

The reason the congress was established was because the people were spread out and communication was slow. They needed representatives to make government and the military responsive. We don't need that anymore. We also don't need a president who is "the most powerful man in the world". He is a diplomat that is supposed to serve and protect our rights. Congress is supposed to do the same through the passage of laws but the laws that are passed now only serve to restrict our rights. They represent their own best interests and not that of the nation and its people.

All acts of Congress are Constitutional until a court rules otherwise, no laws have been passed that ‘only serve to restrict our rights.’ If you believe this to be the case then file suit in Federal court challenging those law you believe violate our civil liberties.
 

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