The Conservative Schism

[The ClayTaurus]

That's always a possibility. Were you not saying that Americans are xenophobic?

Nope.

 

[Annie]

That's always a possibility. Were you not saying that Americans are xenophobic?

Abbey I believe Clay was referring to the poster?

 

[Abbey Normal]

Abbey I believe Clay was referring to the poster?

Yes. Thanks!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I see nothing wrong with unrestrained trade in principle because, as a conservative, I believe in free enterprise. However, I also believe in the policy of "America first" in terms of foreign policy and foreign trade in order to protect and defend our country. Thus a balance needs to be struck.

What forms of unrestrained trade do you see as being a threat to our country? And what forms of restrained trade are you advocating?

Setting no moral preconditions on countries we trade with ends up empowering totalitarian regimes. I see no proof that empowering the slave lords in china with billions in orders will somehow lead to freedom for the people.

You don't believe in unrestrained trade; unrestrained trade is child prostitution, slavery, no human rights, monopolies, etc. Just because something generates profit doesn't automatically make it pure.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Setting no moral preconditions on countries we trade with ends up empowering totalitarian regimes. I see no proof that empowering the slave lords in china with billions in orders will somehow lead to freedom for the people.

You don't believe in unrestrained trade; unrestrained trade is child prostitution, slavery, no human rights, monopolies, etc. Just because something generates profit doesn't automatically make it pure.

Agree with you on both counts. Actions must be based in ethical and moral conditions. But where and how do we draw the line? Some progress with China is being made:

China has signed and ratified:
· Convention on the Rights of the Child
· Convention Against Torture
· Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
· Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (includes rural people, ethnic minorities, rural-urban migrants)
· International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
· International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (signed but not ratified)
· Numerous ILO Conventions including conventions on equal remuneration, minimum wage, and child labor

http://www.iccr.org/publications/examiner_pastarticles/examiner_china.htm

 

[Annie]

Agree with you on both counts. Actions must be based in ethical and moral conditions. But where and how do we draw the line? Some progress with China is being made:

China has signed and ratified:
· Convention on the Rights of the Child
· Convention Against Torture
· Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
· Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (includes rural people, ethnic minorities, rural-urban migrants)
· International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
· International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (signed but not ratified)
· Numerous ILO Conventions including conventions on equal remuneration, minimum wage, and child labor

http://www.iccr.org/publications/examiner_pastarticles/examiner_china.htm

China is definately a problem, especially if Russia joins them in 'combatting' US, which is more than likely. Yet, it's a battle in the future. We need to get through the current problem now. Granted, we may lose the current and the future will be different.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Agree with you on both counts. Actions must be based in ethical and moral conditions. But where and how do we draw the line? Some progress with China is being made:

China has signed and ratified:
· Convention on the Rights of the Child
· Convention Against Torture
· Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
· Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (includes rural people, ethnic minorities, rural-urban migrants)
· International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
· International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (signed but not ratified)
· Numerous ILO Conventions including conventions on equal remuneration, minimum wage, and child labor

http://www.iccr.org/publications/examiner_pastarticles/examiner_china.htm

This is all words. none of this is happening.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Yet, it's a battle in the future. We need to get through the current problem now..

Ignoring a problem doesn't mean it's REALLY a problem for the future, that just indicates the priority you give it.

 

[dilloduck]

Ignoring a problem doesn't mean it's REALLY a problem for the future, that just indicates the priority you give it.

Similar to appeasement in my book. Half-hearted railing against evil doesn't even scare it.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Similar to appeasement in my book. Half-hearted railing against evil doesn't even scare it.

"Only a commie would be against trade with china", i guess red states do rule.