The Church In History....

[PoliticalChic]

P. Chic -

I have answered all of your questions before, actually.

You didn't understand the answers then and you won't understand them now.

The thing is, you know, I have actually tried quite patiently to explain this to you twice now, but once again I have to accept that you simply are not bright enough to understand even a basic dictionary definition.

Au contraire.

What you have 'patiently' tried to do is obfuscate.

The correct answers to these questions,
Nazism, communism, socialism...and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which uses genocide as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and slaughters its own citizens as pro forma....?

6. Which represents totalitarian governance?

....clearly indicate that it is bogus to attempt to claim Nazism and communism as opposite ends of the political spectrum.

They are born of the same mother.

They act in the same ways.

And FDR was in lock step with the economic plans of both Hitler and Stalin.....until the crematoria were revealed....and Liberals had to beat a hasty retreat from Hitler.




"Before WW II, the same folks who championed Progressivism, viewed fascism as a noble economic agenda, and praised Mussolini. It was the horrors of the Holocaust that required both the rapid retreat from associations with the term fascism, and the rebranding by John Dewey of progressivism as liberalism.

W.E.B.DuBois suggested that National Socialism seemed an excellent model for economic organization."
http://www.ghi-dc.org/files/publications/bu_supp/supp5/supp5_099.pdf


"Communism, National Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....all have a the central doctrine:
....an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature...." Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"


Nowthen, in order to address you correctly....are you an ignorant buffoon, or a congenital liar?

Which one?

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC and Hitler, per fascism are far right wing progressives that would use undemocratic procedures to force their wills on everyone else.

JoeB and PC both misunderstand science and God, and their continual revolving arguments are

.

Clearly, it is unnecessary to ask you whether you are an ignorant buffoon or a congenital liar....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, you are both, my dear.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. One of the most significnt accomplishments of the Church was in reminding kings that they had a responsibility to keep their oaths, and meet their responsibilities. The Church was responsible for the rule of law.


a. " The most important political development of the second millennium was the firm
establishment, ... of the rule of law. Its acceptance and enforcement in any society is far more vital to the happiness of the majority than is even democracy itself. For democracy, without the rule of law to uphold the wishes of the electorate, is worthless,....The Soviet Union had, in theory, a wonderfully democratic constitution, But it lacked the rule of law entirely, and as a result Stalin was able to murder 30 million of its citizens and die safely in his bed, unarraigned and unpunished.


b. What do we mean by the rule of law? We mean a judicial regime in which everyone is equal before the law, and everyone--and every institution--is subject to it. ...
Was not the rule of law established in the Roman Republic even before the first
millennium opened? Not so. ....Pompey himself often operated above the law, and so did Julius Caesar and Antony and other powerful men.


c. ...the emergence of a true and permanent rule of law to the 11th and 12th centuries.
Two streams converged. Under Hildebrand, Pope Gregory VII, the Roman church fought vigorously to uphold its rights against both crowned princes and feudal barons, Pope Gregory saw the church's own courts, where canon law, itself derived from Roman law, operated, as a refuge for the physically weak and oppressed--not just the clergy themselves but women, children, the poor and the sick--against the rule of force and fear in an age when the armored knight dispensed what law there was."
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~hrkaslow/Governance/MFA/Laying Down the Law.pdf

 

[JakeStarkey]

The church was also responsible for the Inquisition.

If you are heading toward the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter Reformation, reemeber the twin streams of Christianity ended up in Christians destroying 1/3d of to 1/2 of human life in the Germanies alone during The Thirty Years War.

 

[Avatar4321]

Love it. A militant atheist foolishly going after subjects the which he can't grasp. That makes him a buddy of PC.

I can grasp the subject very well.

All the things we don't understand can be eventually explained by science.
Therefore, there is no God.

And before you give me some tired argument about faith, just take any argument for "God" and insert the words 'Santa Claus" and you realize how ludicrous it becomes.

explain love with science sometime. You'll quickly see how fruitless it is

 

[Avatar4321]

The Dark Ages- The First Faith Based Initiative.

the so called dark ages were a result of apostasy. It was Christianity, particularly among the Irish who were recently converted by saint Patrick who preserved civilization and began reintroducing it among a chaotic Europe after Rome fell.

it's also not a coincidence that the renaissance, reformation, and enlightenment all emerged as the scriptures were taken to the people in their own languages.

the hand of Divine Providence is all over human history.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. "... the English crown, building on quite a different legal tradition--the
Germanic law codes of the Anglo-Saxon state--was moving by secular means toward the same rule of law. In 1154, the Angevin dynasty, the richest and most powerful in the West, took over the English crown in the person of Henry II. He restored order after a period of feudal anarchy and rapine, .... He was determined to enforce the rule of law against all the powerful barons with their private armies. He used the flexible
instrument of the old English common law, interpreted by royal judges according to
general principles of justice and equity, but reinforced by some comprehensive statutes that Henry drew up and enforced."
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~hrkaslow/Governance/MFA/Laying Down the Law.pdf


a. But even Henry felt the power of the Church, when his arguments with Archbishop Thomas à Becket of Canterbury, leading to Becket's murder- some say engineered by Henry- inflamed the Christian world such that Henry was forced into public penance.


b. And, a short time later, the Church joined with the barons to force the King John to publicly submit to the rule of law. "
In England, the principle of separation of church and state can be found in the Magna Carta. The first clause declared that the Church in England would be free from interference by the Crown." Church and state in medieval Europe - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

Correct conclusion: the Lord and Bishops forced the King to submit to the will of the Elite.

 

[JoeB131]

Jake, why don't you go troll somewhere else.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Showing your and PC's delusions and lack of understanding science and God is desperately needed service on the Board.

You are trolling in the militant belief faith of radical atheism, which you can't prove.

 

[JoeB131]

explain love with science sometime. You'll quickly see how fruitless it is

Meh, no, not really. It's all about chemistry, dude.

 

[JoeB131]

Showing your and PC's delusions and lack of understanding science and God is desperately needed service on the Board.

You are trolling in the militant belief faith of radical atheism, which you can't prove.

Jake, you are sad and don't have any friends...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Poor foolish JoeB

 

[Agit8r]

Anytime someone tells followers that god commanded this or that, it should be seen as a red flag:

"Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
-- 1 Samuel 15:3

"My German Volksgenossen, we have a great deal to rectify before our own history and before our eternal Lord. Providence had withdrawn its protection from us. Our Volk had fallen, plunging to a depth to which a Volk has rarely fallen before. In this difficult plight we have once again learned how to pray; we have learned to respect our Lord; we have regained our faith in the virtues of a Volk, and have endeavored to be better again."
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech in Cologne (March 28, 1936)

"God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
-- George W. Bush