The BEST part of Obamacare is:

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It's not the fact parents can keep their kids covered until they are 26.

It's not the fact companies can't kick you off for a suddenly discovered "pre-existing" condition.

It's the FACT that insurance companies have to spend at least 80% on actual health care and not dividends, which is why so many companies had to send out checks to people they tried to "bilk".

True story.

I think it's hilarious that UPS with a more than 54 billion dollar revenue is saying it can't afford a measly 60 million to pay for the insurance of 15,000 spouses. What percentage of 54 billion is 60 million? Talk about political.
 
What UPS - a private company decides to do - is really, none of your ******* business.

So, get over it asswipe.
 
What UPS - a private company decides to do - is really, none of your ******* business.

So, get over it asswipe.

It's OK to point out facts. Like your saying you want hard proof that conservatives swelled the ranks of the GOP in the 60's because of your hilarious assertion that Republicans are the anti slavery party. Hilarious. According to your "history", confederates supported Lincoln. What a laugh riot.
 
It's not the fact parents can keep their kids covered until they are 26.

It's not the fact companies can't kick you off for a suddenly discovered "pre-existing" condition.

It's the FACT that insurance companies have to spend at least 80% on actual health care and not dividends, which is why so many companies had to send out checks to people they tried to "bilk".

True story.

I think it's hilarious that UPS with a more than 54 billion dollar revenue is saying it can't afford a measly 60 million to pay for the insurance of 15,000 spouses. What percentage of 54 billion is 60 million? Talk about political.


The best thing about ACA is that insurance companies no longer have to compete in a free market to 'attract' customers. Now everyone is forced to play the same stupid game. Thanks Obama!
 
It's not the fact parents can keep their kids covered until they are 26.

It's not the fact companies can't kick you off for a suddenly discovered "pre-existing" condition.

It's the FACT that insurance companies have to spend at least 80% on actual health care and not dividends, which is why so many companies had to send out checks to people they tried to "bilk".

True story.

I think it's hilarious that UPS with a more than 54 billion dollar revenue is saying it can't afford a measly 60 million to pay for the insurance of 15,000 spouses. What percentage of 54 billion is 60 million? Talk about political.

^ Why state run economies come with a 100% Guaranteed Fail
 
It's not the fact parents can keep their kids covered until they are 26.

It's not the fact companies can't kick you off for a suddenly discovered "pre-existing" condition.

It's the FACT that insurance companies have to spend at least 80% on actual health care and not dividends, which is why so many companies had to send out checks to people they tried to "bilk".

True story.

I think it's hilarious that UPS with a more than 54 billion dollar revenue is saying it can't afford a measly 60 million to pay for the insurance of 15,000 spouses. What percentage of 54 billion is 60 million? Talk about political.

Fact 26 year old are not kids, if they are redo the laws to show that.
No alcohol, can't sign contracts can't get married without parents permission.
Fact dean is glad people are losing their jobs because of obamacare.
 
It's OK to point out facts. Like your saying you want hard proof that conservatives swelled the ranks of the GOP in the 60's because of your hilarious assertion that Republicans are the anti slavery party. Hilarious. According to your "history", confederates supported Lincoln. What a laugh riot.

Do you have hard facts to support ANY of these claims ??? I am still waiting. Did I miss your post the first time you posted the proof, numbnuts?
 
The best part of ObamaCare? Gov't control of your Medical Records.
 
The best part of ObamaCare? Gov't control of your Medical Records.

This affords the government sweeping new power to improve society in general. The carrot/stick of health care can now be used to 'encourage' healthier habits and virtuous living across the board. A glorious future awaits!
 
What UPS - a private company decides to do - is really, none of your ******* business.

So, get over it asswipe.

Some people have no clue relative to the operating expenses of a company. If they have never been self-employed and had to meet a payroll, they will never know, or care. :cuckoo:
 
The best part will be different things depending on one's own situation. I had a "cadillac" plan before so the level of my "care" won't change.

However, forcing insurance and pharma companies to compete with each other for our business is driving prices down. And, the mandate that 80% of our premiums be used for patient care is getting more money back to the consumer.
 
damn, another Obama ass kissing thread

knees knees off the knees please or I have some kneepads that you might like...........lol
 
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It's the FACT that insurance companies have to spend at least 80% on actual health care and not dividends, which is why so many companies had to send out checks to people they tried to "bilk".



Nonsense. That aspect just creates a government contractor Cost Plus mentality which drives prices even higher.

For the thinking people who read this thread - a lesson on how how medical insurance (ObamaCare) is really prepaid health services, and the pricing is insane.

...The insurance policy, the clerk said, would pay up to $2,500 for the surgeon—more than enough—and up to $2,500 for the hospital's charges for the operating room, nursing, recovery room, etc. The estimated hospital charge was $23,000. She asked him to pay roughly $20,000 upfront to cover the estimated balance.

My patient was stunned....


So we canceled the surgery and started the scheduling process all over again, this time classifying my patient as a "self-pay" (or uninsured) patient. I quoted him a reasonable upfront cash price, as did the anesthesiologist. We contacted a different hospital and they quoted him a reasonable upfront cash price for the outpatient surgical/nursing services. He underwent his operation the very next day, with a total bill of just a little over $3,000, including doctor and hospital fees. He ended up saving $17,000 by not using insurance

This process taught us a few things. First, most people these days don't have health "insurance." They have prepaid health plans. They pay premiums to take advantage of a pre-negotiated fee schedule arranged for and administered by a third party. My patient, on the other hand, had insurance.

Second, even with the markdown for upfront "cash-pay" patients, none of the providers was losing money on my patient. Otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to the prices. With the third-party payer taken out of the picture, we got a better idea of the market prices for the services. It is the third-party payment system that interferes with true price competition, so "market clearing prices" can't develop.

Take the examples of Lasik eye surgery or cosmetic surgery. These services are not covered by insurance. Providers compete on the basis of quality, outcomes and price. And prices have continually dropped as quality and services have improved—unlike the rest of health care.

When my patient returned for his post-op visit we discussed the experience. It was clear to both of us that the only way to make health care more affordable is to diminish the role of third-party payers. Let consumers and providers interact through market forces to drive down prices and drive up quality, like we do when we buy groceries, clothing, cars, computers, etc. Drop the focus on prepaid health plans and return to the days of real health insurance—that covers major, unforeseen events, leaving the everyday expenses to the consumer—just like auto and homeowners' insurance.

Sadly, we are heading in the exact opposite direction. ObamaCare expands the role of the third party and practically eliminates the role—and the say—of the patient in the delivery of health care. Will they ever learn?...


Jeffrey Singer: The Man Who Was Treated for $17,000 Less - WSJ.com
 
It's the FACT that insurance companies have to spend at least 80% on actual health care and not dividends, which is why so many companies had to send out checks to people they tried to "bilk".



Nonsense. That aspect just creates a government contractor Cost Plus mentality which drives prices even higher.

For the thinking people who read this thread - a lesson on how how medical insurance (ObamaCare) is really prepaid health services, and the pricing is insane.

...The insurance policy, the clerk said, would pay up to $2,500 for the surgeon—more than enough—and up to $2,500 for the hospital's charges for the operating room, nursing, recovery room, etc. The estimated hospital charge was $23,000. She asked him to pay roughly $20,000 upfront to cover the estimated balance.

My patient was stunned....


So we canceled the surgery and started the scheduling process all over again, this time classifying my patient as a "self-pay" (or uninsured) patient. I quoted him a reasonable upfront cash price, as did the anesthesiologist. We contacted a different hospital and they quoted him a reasonable upfront cash price for the outpatient surgical/nursing services. He underwent his operation the very next day, with a total bill of just a little over $3,000, including doctor and hospital fees. He ended up saving $17,000 by not using insurance

This process taught us a few things. First, most people these days don't have health "insurance." They have prepaid health plans. They pay premiums to take advantage of a pre-negotiated fee schedule arranged for and administered by a third party. My patient, on the other hand, had insurance.

Second, even with the markdown for upfront "cash-pay" patients, none of the providers was losing money on my patient. Otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to the prices. With the third-party payer taken out of the picture, we got a better idea of the market prices for the services. It is the third-party payment system that interferes with true price competition, so "market clearing prices" can't develop.

Take the examples of Lasik eye surgery or cosmetic surgery. These services are not covered by insurance. Providers compete on the basis of quality, outcomes and price. And prices have continually dropped as quality and services have improved—unlike the rest of health care.

When my patient returned for his post-op visit we discussed the experience. It was clear to both of us that the only way to make health care more affordable is to diminish the role of third-party payers. Let consumers and providers interact through market forces to drive down prices and drive up quality, like we do when we buy groceries, clothing, cars, computers, etc. Drop the focus on prepaid health plans and return to the days of real health insurance—that covers major, unforeseen events, leaving the everyday expenses to the consumer—just like auto and homeowners' insurance.

Sadly, we are heading in the exact opposite direction. ObamaCare expands the role of the third party and practically eliminates the role—and the say—of the patient in the delivery of health care. Will they ever learn?...


Jeffrey Singer: The Man Who Was Treated for $17,000 Less - WSJ.com

What blows my mind is that people do not see Obamacare for what it is. First, it takes the responsibility of providing healthcare and the associated costs off the employer (the corporation) and puts it on the individual. And second, it forces the cost of insurance on the uninsured onto the working class. there is no reform to healthcare. there is no reform to out of control costs.
 
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It's OK to point out facts. Like your saying you want hard proof that conservatives swelled the ranks of the GOP in the 60's because of your hilarious assertion that Republicans are the anti slavery party. Hilarious. According to your "history", confederates supported Lincoln. What a laugh riot.

Do you have hard facts to support ANY of these claims ??? I am still waiting. Did I miss your post the first time you posted the proof, numbnuts?

Which claims are you talking about? That Lincoln wasn't a confederate or that Republicans are?
 
It's the FACT that insurance companies have to spend at least 80% on actual health care and not dividends, which is why so many companies had to send out checks to people they tried to "bilk".



Nonsense. That aspect just creates a government contractor Cost Plus mentality which drives prices even higher.

For the thinking people who read this thread - a lesson on how how medical insurance (ObamaCare) is really prepaid health services, and the pricing is insane.

...The insurance policy, the clerk said, would pay up to $2,500 for the surgeon—more than enough—and up to $2,500 for the hospital's charges for the operating room, nursing, recovery room, etc. The estimated hospital charge was $23,000. She asked him to pay roughly $20,000 upfront to cover the estimated balance.

My patient was stunned....


So we canceled the surgery and started the scheduling process all over again, this time classifying my patient as a "self-pay" (or uninsured) patient. I quoted him a reasonable upfront cash price, as did the anesthesiologist. We contacted a different hospital and they quoted him a reasonable upfront cash price for the outpatient surgical/nursing services. He underwent his operation the very next day, with a total bill of just a little over $3,000, including doctor and hospital fees. He ended up saving $17,000 by not using insurance

This process taught us a few things. First, most people these days don't have health "insurance." They have prepaid health plans. They pay premiums to take advantage of a pre-negotiated fee schedule arranged for and administered by a third party. My patient, on the other hand, had insurance.

Second, even with the markdown for upfront "cash-pay" patients, none of the providers was losing money on my patient. Otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to the prices. With the third-party payer taken out of the picture, we got a better idea of the market prices for the services. It is the third-party payment system that interferes with true price competition, so "market clearing prices" can't develop.

Take the examples of Lasik eye surgery or cosmetic surgery. These services are not covered by insurance. Providers compete on the basis of quality, outcomes and price. And prices have continually dropped as quality and services have improved—unlike the rest of health care.

When my patient returned for his post-op visit we discussed the experience. It was clear to both of us that the only way to make health care more affordable is to diminish the role of third-party payers. Let consumers and providers interact through market forces to drive down prices and drive up quality, like we do when we buy groceries, clothing, cars, computers, etc. Drop the focus on prepaid health plans and return to the days of real health insurance—that covers major, unforeseen events, leaving the everyday expenses to the consumer—just like auto and homeowners' insurance.

Sadly, we are heading in the exact opposite direction. ObamaCare expands the role of the third party and practically eliminates the role—and the say—of the patient in the delivery of health care. Will they ever learn?...


Jeffrey Singer: The Man Who Was Treated for $17,000 Less - WSJ.com

What blows my mind is that people do not see Obamacare for what it is. First, it takes the responsibility of providing healthcare and the associated costs off the employer (the corporation) and puts it on the individual. And second, it forces the cost of insurance on the uninsured onto the working class. there is no reform to healthcare. there is no reform to out of control costs.

Actually, it spreads out the cost. What caused Romney to come up with Romney care was the number of people using the emergency room as their primary source of health care at 10 to 100 times or more the cost of insurance. The state was going bankrupt paying for it.

The idea that no health care at all is better comes from deranged and diseased minds.
 
ObamaCare is the usual BAIT AND SWITCH this administration played on the people...

this isn't ABOUT health care...ANYONE who couldn't afford health care could get Medicaid or Medicare..

Obama is such a snake and so is anyone who pushed this monster of a government intrusion on the people
 
ObamaCare is the usual BAIT AND SWITCH this administration played on the people...

this isn't ABOUT health care...ANYONE who couldn't afford health care could get Medicaid or Medicare..

Obama is such a snake and so is anyone who pushed this monster of a government intrusion on the people

And yet Obama has cut government by hundreds of thousands. How do you explain that?

Under Obama, a Record Decline in Government Jobs

But like it or not, the Obama administration has turned out to be anything but a big-government one.

Some other notes from today’s jobs report:

Manufacturing employment, the subject of my column today, rose by 23,000 jobs and was up by 225,000 jobs, or 1.9 percent, for the year. It was the second consecutive annual increase after 12 declines in a row. Construction jobs increased by 0.8 percent in 2011, the first annual increase since 2006.
 
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