The best health care or just the most expensive

[Dr Gregg]

Really, 40.00 what vet do you go to for your yearly exam?

Yeah, $40 where I've lived doesn't even come cloose to paying the vet bill. $40 is a copay likely

 

[Charles Stucker]

You really are an idiot aren't you WShaw.
A source of increased prices is the artificial demand created by Medifraud. Medifraud is a partial SOCIALIST intrusion on the medical field in the USA. Since the inception of Medifraud prices have skyrocketed.

Why don't you blame the idiot politicians who instituted Medifraud (that would be LBJ and the Democrats FYI)?

Sorry, idiots are the ones that think they can make a statement of fact, call something bullshit, a fraud, what not, without anything to back it up

You mean like claiming to be a female Russian cosmonaut with multiple PhD's, including the challenging field of Genetics, who is so hot they were in the recent playboy special "Girrrrrls (sic) of the Russian Space Corps"
That kind of BS Doctor Pothead?

 

[WillowTree]

You're ignorant. Educate yourself. THe UN Funded WHO study was completely rigged to favor Socialized medical .

I have heard all of this before. Please back up what you say. Show me where the responsiveness factor that you claim is documented.

What we respond when it is too late. It is a fact that we are overall #37 OF 37
make all the excuses you want. We could manipulate the facts to raise the USA
ratings. Which is the usual. I have been there and done that, taking into account all of the "unfair" stats. If we aRE TOTALLY bias it raises us to #30
Wow, we should be proud of that. Greed rules.

so which of the other 36 better places will you go to? huh?

 

[Dr Gregg]

You really are an idiot aren't you WShaw.
A source of increased prices is the artificial demand created by Medifraud. Medifraud is a partial SOCIALIST intrusion on the medical field in the USA. Since the inception of Medifraud prices have skyrocketed.

Why don't you blame the idiot politicians who instituted Medifraud (that would be LBJ and the Democrats FYI)?

Sorry, idiots are the ones that think they can make a statement of fact, call something bullshit, a fraud, what not, without anything to back it up

You mean like claiming to be a female Russian cosmonaut with multiple PhD's, including the challenging field of Genetics, who is so hot they were in the recent playboy special "Girrrrrls (sic) of the Russian Space Corps"
That kind of BS Doctor Pothead?

I know in your world of stupidity you can't possibly fathom people getting lots of education and being smart enough to be a scientist. But that's not my problem

 

[WillowTree]

Really, why dont the other countries have these problems, or do they. You are the Idiot for eating up every talking point laid before you. Let us look at the facts.
#1 expense #37 effectiveness. Excuses are excuses. If we are such a great country,(The richest on earth) why do we under preform. GREED
We are so greedy we refuse to save money because we are afraid someone else will gain from it. Stupidity to the max.

How many of the 36 better than we are pay a 13% VAT?

 

[Charles Stucker]

I know in your world of stupidity you can't possibly fathom people getting lots of education and being smart enough to be a scientist. But that's not my problem

Your lack of ability to follow simple logic reveals the simple truth - your self-proclaimed PhD in genetics is a lame appeal to pretend authority with nothing to back it.

If you liberal jackasses want cheaper health care why not institute a national nutrition and exercise program, one which forces people to eat right and exercise regularly?
That would do FAR more to improve the quality of life in the USA than the current scam proposed by Obama and since you insist the government has the right to force you to do something you ought to do (get insurance) then they have the right to force you to do something you ought to do (exercise and eat healthily)
And abstain from Alcohol, tobacco and drugs.
that includes Pot doctor Pothead.

But all that is for a good cause; better national health for less cost. And that is exactly what you asked to receive.

 

[Dr Gregg]

I know in your world of stupidity you can't possibly fathom people getting lots of education and being smart enough to be a scientist. But that's not my problem

Your lack of ability to follow simple logic reveals the simple truth - your self-proclaimed PhD in genetics is a lame appeal to pretend authority with nothing to back it.

If you liberal jackasses want cheaper health care why not institute a national nutrition and exercise program, one which forces people to eat right and exercise regularly?
That would do FAR more to improve the quality of life in the USA than the current scam proposed by Obama and since you insist the government has the right to force you to do something you ought to do (get insurance) then they have the right to force you to do something you ought to do (exercise and eat healthily)
And abstain from Alcohol, tobacco and drugs.
that includes Pot doctor Pothead.

But all that is for a good cause; better national health for less cost. And that is exactly what you asked to receive.

Yes, cause you say so, must be true. Logic? Don't think you have a clue what logic is.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Sure she does. That is why she only charges you 40.00. Are you sure she is really a doctor?? Bull shit. This is a total lie or you are not disclosing something.

Perhaps he lives in the countryside in a state with no state income tax.
You are a cretin, blandly mouthing talking points that favor bigger government.

Perhaps we should send you a Waaaambulance?

Charles wonderful display of logic and intelligence on display right here

Another USMB trollish moron

 

[Charles Stucker]

I know in your world of stupidity you can't possibly fathom people getting lots of education and being smart enough to be a scientist. But that's not my problem

Your lack of ability to follow simple logic reveals the simple truth - your self-proclaimed PhD in genetics is a lame appeal to pretend authority with nothing to back it.

If you liberal jackasses want cheaper health care why not institute a national nutrition and exercise program, one which forces people to eat right and exercise regularly?
That would do FAR more to improve the quality of life in the USA than the current scam proposed by Obama and since you insist the government has the right to force you to do something you ought to do (get insurance) then they have the right to force you to do something you ought to do (exercise and eat healthily)
And abstain from Alcohol, tobacco and drugs.
that includes Pot doctor Pothead.

But all that is for a good cause; better national health for less cost. And that is exactly what you asked to receive.

Yes, cause you say so, must be true. Logic? Don't think you have a clue what logic is.

YOU want to give the government power to mandate you do what is good for you, meaning purchase insurance.
What is the difference between government mandated health insurance and government mandated fitness regimes?

Anyone, Bueller, anyone?

 

[Charles Stucker]

Sure she does. That is why she only charges you 40.00. Are you sure she is really a doctor?? Bull shit. This is a total lie or you are not disclosing something.

Perhaps he lives in the countryside in a state with no state income tax.
You are a cretin, blandly mouthing talking points that favor bigger government.

Perhaps we should send you a Waaaambulance?

Charles wonderful display of logic and intelligence on display right here

Another USMB trollish moron

Do you have any clue, you halfwit socialist, that in rural areas everything is cheaper? Do you understand that there ARE older doctors in rural areas who still charge based on what they think is the right price? That they grew up when $40 was a lot and since they have modest needs it still seems a fair price for 30 minutes of work? You have no clue about so many topics I'm amazed at your gall, calling yourself a scientist, as you frequently do. As if your unsupported claim meant anything on the internet.

Your use of the term trollish certainly reveals a lot about your own pot-damaged thought processes.

 

[manu1959]

i have health care through my company i contribute 150 per month and pay 30 for a yearly physical....if ineed a special procedure...colonoscopy for example...it is all covered...

so far the us system has workeds just fine....

 

[Dr Gregg]

Perhaps he lives in the countryside in a state with no state income tax.
You are a cretin, blandly mouthing talking points that favor bigger government.

Perhaps we should send you a Waaaambulance?

Charles wonderful display of logic and intelligence on display right here

Another USMB trollish moron

Do you have any clue, you halfwit socialist, that in rural areas everything is cheaper? Do you understand that there ARE older doctors in rural areas who still charge based on what they think is the right price? That they grew up when $40 was a lot and since they have modest needs it still seems a fair price for 30 minutes of work? You have no clue about so many topics I'm amazed at your gall, calling yourself a scientist, as you frequently do. As if your unsupported claim meant anything on the internet.

Your use of the term trollish certainly reveals a lot about your own pot-damaged thought processes.

Yeah, it does, it shows that I can spot dishonest, full of shit asshole like yourself that don't know a logical argument if it hit them across their face. $40 for a doctors visit, still not buying it, that wouldn't even cover the doctors malpractice insurance charging patients $40 for a visit.

 

[Charles Stucker]

So you are of the confirmed opinion that the problem is lawyers and malpractice suits, not greedy doctors? Wow what a turnaround from your earlier ignorant stance.

 

[The Rabbi]

Dr Gregg is full of it.
I pay $50 for a regular visit. A full workup is more, of course.

Anyway, there is a Lancet study of survival rates after diagnosis. The U.S. is Number 1 in every category, proving that if you're going to get sick, do it here. The U.N. study as mentioned also scores "equity" of the system but admits in a footnote that it has no objective way to measure what that is.
As usual, the Left has nothing to offer but the same crap.

 

[Zander]

You're ignorant. Educate yourself. THe UN Funded WHO study was completely rigged to favor Socialized medical .

I have heard all of this before. Please back up what you say. Show me where the responsiveness factor that you claim is documented.

What we respond when it is too late. It is a fact that we are overall #37 OF 37
make all the excuses you want. We could manipulate the facts to raise the USA
ratings. Which is the usual. I have been there and done that, taking into account all of the "unfair" stats. If we aRE TOTALLY bias it raises us to #30
Wow, we should be proud of that. Greed rules.

You really are a moron! Sorry to be so harsh, but the depth of your idiocy surprises me. The WHO study is linked in post #2.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Our health care system the best in the world, what a laugh. We are simply the most expensive. We boast that the foreign elite come here.
That simply means the Elite get great health care. The truth is that for overall effectiveness, (ignore the elite) we have the worst healthcare in the industrialized world. We want to criticize Canada?? They are rated #4, we are rated #37 of 37. I have heard all of the excuses, so don't bother. Before posting negatives about the Canadian system you should know I have lived with both and the talking points and propoganda wont fly. We simply have a system that is made of greed. I see the problems as, greedy trial attorneys, greedy MDs, greedy Hospitals and the fact that our health care is monopolized. We have the AMA that controls who and how many graduate from med school. We have the Hospital association that controls where when why and every other aspect of hospitals. There are 9 people turned back from medical school for every 1 (in many cases unqualified Doctors sons or daughters) that are admitted. The #1 problem with the Canadian system is the FACT that Doctors train there on the gov tit and then come to the good old USA so they can prey (as our doctors do) on the american public and become rich. This is the only profession in this country that you can do a poor job and have great success.

You have never even seen or read the WHO report you dipshit, but you just go parrot it off because it fits your ill conceived opinion. Only an idiot would cite the WHO report as any kind of proof of the quality of a nation's health care system.

25% of the ranking is weighted on health level and the overall health of Americans isn't as good as Europe because we don't eat right, don't exercise right, we work longer hours and deal with higher levels of stress and we are more likely to die in an automobile accident or violent crime.

25% of the ranking is weighted on Health Distribution and 25% on Financial Fairness. We don't have socialized medicine in this country so we flunk out on those two categories right away and that's 50% of the ranking right there.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

The whole thing is one biased piece of shit, just like you.

 

[KissMy]

Sure she does. That is why she only charges you 40.00. Are you sure she is really a doctor?? Bull shit. This is a total lie or you are not disclosing something.

My wife's doctor is also $40 per office visit without insurance. You can call the office yourself & ask what they charge.

Dr. Rosemary L Cannistraro, MD
12609 Olive Boulevard
Saint Louis, MO 63141
(314) 205-6060

Here is her rating

NOW Pack up your lying sack of BULL SHIT and hit the road Jackass.

 

[Old Rocks]

i have health care through my company i contribute 150 per month and pay 30 for a yearly physical....if ineed a special procedure...colonoscopy for example...it is all covered...

so far the us system has workeds just fine....

Until you get laid off. Oh, I know, those that have lost their jobs in this downturn are all lazy Liberals.

Yes, I have a Cadillac plan through my employer. However, the moment I retire, it is gone. Of course I'll still have Medicare. But my wife, a decade younger, will not be covered. And since she has had a heart procedure, it will be a problem getting her covered at a price I can afford.

Your company pays twice as much for the same thing that the Japanese and Germans have, and you do not get the benefits they have in those nations.

 

[Old Rocks]

Our health care system the best in the world, what a laugh. We are simply the most expensive. We boast that the foreign elite come here.
That simply means the Elite get great health care. The truth is that for overall effectiveness, (ignore the elite) we have the worst healthcare in the industrialized world. We want to criticize Canada?? They are rated #4, we are rated #37 of 37. I have heard all of the excuses, so don't bother. Before posting negatives about the Canadian system you should know I have lived with both and the talking points and propoganda wont fly. We simply have a system that is made of greed. I see the problems as, greedy trial attorneys, greedy MDs, greedy Hospitals and the fact that our health care is monopolized. We have the AMA that controls who and how many graduate from med school. We have the Hospital association that controls where when why and every other aspect of hospitals. There are 9 people turned back from medical school for every 1 (in many cases unqualified Doctors sons or daughters) that are admitted. The #1 problem with the Canadian system is the FACT that Doctors train there on the gov tit and then come to the good old USA so they can prey (as our doctors do) on the american public and become rich. This is the only profession in this country that you can do a poor job and have great success.

You have never even seen or read the WHO report you dipshit, but you just go parrot it off because it fits your ill conceived opinion. Only an idiot would cite the WHO report as any kind of proof of the quality of a nation's health care system.

25% of the ranking is weighted on health level and the overall health of Americans isn't as good as Europe because we don't eat right, don't exercise right, we work longer hours and deal with higher levels of stress and we are more likely to die in an automobile accident or violent crime.

25% of the ranking is weighted on Health Distribution and 25% on Financial Fairness. We don't have socialized medicine in this country so we flunk out on those two categories right away and that's 50% of the ranking right there.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

The whole thing is one biased piece of shit, just like you.

So, the CIA, which rates our health care system even lower, are a bunch of commies

 

[The Rabbi]

Our health care system the best in the world, what a laugh. We are simply the most expensive. We boast that the foreign elite come here.
That simply means the Elite get great health care. The truth is that for overall effectiveness, (ignore the elite) we have the worst healthcare in the industrialized world. We want to criticize Canada?? They are rated #4, we are rated #37 of 37. I have heard all of the excuses, so don't bother. Before posting negatives about the Canadian system you should know I have lived with both and the talking points and propoganda wont fly. We simply have a system that is made of greed. I see the problems as, greedy trial attorneys, greedy MDs, greedy Hospitals and the fact that our health care is monopolized. We have the AMA that controls who and how many graduate from med school. We have the Hospital association that controls where when why and every other aspect of hospitals. There are 9 people turned back from medical school for every 1 (in many cases unqualified Doctors sons or daughters) that are admitted. The #1 problem with the Canadian system is the FACT that Doctors train there on the gov tit and then come to the good old USA so they can prey (as our doctors do) on the american public and become rich. This is the only profession in this country that you can do a poor job and have great success.

You have never even seen or read the WHO report you dipshit, but you just go parrot it off because it fits your ill conceived opinion. Only an idiot would cite the WHO report as any kind of proof of the quality of a nation's health care system.

25% of the ranking is weighted on health level and the overall health of Americans isn't as good as Europe because we don't eat right, don't exercise right, we work longer hours and deal with higher levels of stress and we are more likely to die in an automobile accident or violent crime.

25% of the ranking is weighted on Health Distribution and 25% on Financial Fairness. We don't have socialized medicine in this country so we flunk out on those two categories right away and that's 50% of the ranking right there.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

The whole thing is one biased piece of shit, just like you.



So, the CIA, which rates our health care system even lower, are a bunch of commies

Where is the link to the CIA study? WHat criteria did they use? Do you have a clue?