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The best health care or just the most expensive

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Our health care system the best in the world, what a laugh. We are simply the most expensive. We boast that the foreign elite come here.
That simply means the Elite get great health care. The truth is that for overall effectiveness, (ignore the elite) we have the worst healthcare in the industrialized world. We want to criticize Canada?? They are rated #4, we are rated #37 of 37. I have heard all of the excuses, so don't bother. Before posting negatives about the Canadian system you should know I have lived with both and the talking points and propoganda wont fly. We simply have a system that is made of greed. I see the problems as, greedy trial attorneys, greedy MDs, greedy Hospitals and the fact that our health care is monopolized. We have the AMA that controls who and how many graduate from med school. We have the Hospital association that controls where when why and every other aspect of hospitals. There are 9 people turned back from medical school for every 1 (in many cases unqualified Doctors sons or daughters) that are admitted. The #1 problem with the Canadian system is the FACT that Doctors train there on the gov tit and then come to the good old USA so they can prey (as our doctors do) on the american public and become rich. This is the only profession in this country that you can do a poor job and have great success.
 

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You're ignorant. Educate yourself. THe UN Funded WHO study was completely rigged to favor Socialized medical schas BESemes. The USA was number one where it counts. Responsiveness. It's "free" doesn't do you any good when you're dead because you couldn't get an ambulance.
Responsiveness: The nations with the most responsive health systems are the United States, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Netherlands and Sweden. The reason these are all advanced industrial nations is that a number of the elements of responsiveness depend strongly on the availability of resources. In addition, many of these countries were the first to begin addressing the responsiveness of their health systems to people's needs.

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
 
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You're ignorant. Educate yourself. THe UN Funded WHO study was completely rigged to favor Socialized medical .

I have heard all of this before. Please back up what you say. Show me where the responsiveness factor that you claim is documented.

What we respond when it is too late. It is a fact that we are overall #37 OF 37
make all the excuses you want. We could manipulate the facts to raise the USA
ratings. Which is the usual. I have been there and done that, taking into account all of the "unfair" stats. If we aRE TOTALLY bias it raises us to #30
Wow, we should be proud of that. Greed rules.
 
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"Responsiveness: The nations with the most responsive health systems are the United States, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Netherlands and Sweden"

Why are we the most expensive of your examples? There is no way to justify our current system. The system is fixed and we have a bunch of crooks administering health care. Yes, the MEDICAL profession is made up, generally of scammers, frauds, and crooks in the good old USA. The only profession that you are guaranteed wealth without even being proficient. I have personally been involved with 2 visits that took a total of 1 hour of the doctors time and cost me 12,000.00. This is the only civilized country in the world that one illness can cost you your life savings. Sick by any standard.
 

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You really are an idiot aren't you WShaw.
A source of increased prices is the artificial demand created by Medifraud. Medifraud is a partial SOCIALIST intrusion on the medical field in the USA. Since the inception of Medifraud prices have skyrocketed.

Why don't you blame the idiot politicians who instituted Medifraud (that would be LBJ and the Democrats FYI)?
 
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Really, why dont the other countries have these problems, or do they. You are the Idiot for eating up every talking point laid before you. Let us look at the facts.
#1 expense #37 effectiveness. Excuses are excuses. If we are such a great country,(The richest on earth) why do we under preform. GREED
We are so greedy we refuse to save money because we are afraid someone else will gain from it. Stupidity to the max.
 
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Oh and by the way, is medicaid the reason that a 30 minute doctor visit costs 300.00 when that doctor does not even accept Medicaid?? As I said before Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. #1 in cost #37 in effectiveness . We are real winners.
 
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From what I have seen here so far folks eat up the talking points, rationalize, make excuses but are not interested in the facts. We are #1 cost for healthcare
and #37 in effectiveness. This is really sad considering we are the richest nation in the world. It seems greed has taken over. It seems even the every day folks in the USA have succomed to the attitude, "I have mine, screw you."
Really sad. It used to be one loved thy neighbor as thy self. Obama might be right, Re set the whole thing.
 

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This is what the WHO ranks as a top notch healthcare system compared to our so called bad system according to WHO.

Cancer survivor refused breast reconstruction operation after NHS officials dismiss it as 'cosmetic surgery' Read more at: Daily Mail
 
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If you can't use the 'quote' and 'edit' buttons, why on earth is anyone going to actually bother to debate with you?
 

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Oh and by the way, is medicaid the reason that a 30 minute doctor visit costs 300.00 when that doctor does not even accept Medicaid?? As I said before Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. #1 in cost #37 in effectiveness . We are real winners.

You are a complete idiot to pay that much for a visit. My doctor only charges me $40.
 
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Really, 40.00 what vet do you go to for your yearly exam?
 

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Really, 40.00 what vet do you go to for your yearly exam?

People like you who refuse to shop or negotiate prices & cry to government are what is wrong with the system.

The first question I ask a doctors office is how much it will cost. Some charge 10 times more than others & they manage to screw suckers like you. There is nothing cut rate about the treatment I recieve from my doctor. She treats me better, is more effective & spends more time with me than all the expensive doctors I have seen before her.
 
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Give me a break. That happens every day in the good old USA. People are refused procedures by insurance companies at every juncture of opportunity. Bleed that heart somewhere else.
 
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Sure she does. That is why she only charges you 40.00. Are you sure she is really a doctor?? Bull shit. This is a total lie or you are not disclosing something.
 

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If you look at the CIA World Fact Book, you will find that in many cases WHO rates the US higher than the CIA does.
 

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Sure she does. That is why she only charges you 40.00. Are you sure she is really a doctor?? Bull shit. This is a total lie or you are not disclosing something.

Perhaps he lives in the countryside in a state with no state income tax.
You are a cretin, blandly mouthing talking points that favor bigger government.

Perhaps we should send you a Waaaambulance?
 

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You're ignorant. Educate yourself. THe UN Funded WHO study was completely rigged to favor Socialized medical .

I have heard all of this before. Please back up what you say. Show me where the responsiveness factor that you claim is documented.

What we respond when it is too late. It is a fact that we are overall #37 OF 37
make all the excuses you want. We could manipulate the facts to raise the USA
ratings. Which is the usual. I have been there and done that, taking into account all of the "unfair" stats. If we aRE TOTALLY bias it raises us to #30
Wow, we should be proud of that. Greed rules.

Good luck getting anything other than "you're wrong" or "you're an idiot" from many posters here. And you will get nothing more than the talking points, or them picking out things gone bad and claiming that's the norm.

Although I don't like your take on Doctors. THey have to go to 4 years of college, getting near perfect grades or they won't get into med school. THen if they even can get into med school they have 4 years of that, causing them to go into severe debt. Then they have internships and residency working absurd hours essentially being a slave and having no outside of work life. So they are very highly educated and trained, and not everyboyd can be a doctor. Then you have the stress of having other people's lives on your hands. I think doctors deserve to be rich for all they have to do to get there, and how stressful and technical their profession is.
 
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You really are an idiot aren't you WShaw.
A source of increased prices is the artificial demand created by Medifraud. Medifraud is a partial SOCIALIST intrusion on the medical field in the USA. Since the inception of Medifraud prices have skyrocketed.

Why don't you blame the idiot politicians who instituted Medifraud (that would be LBJ and the Democrats FYI)?

Sorry, idiots are the ones that think they can make a statement of fact, call something bullshit, a fraud, what not, without anything to back it up
 

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