The Auto-Pen investigation.... When should it not be used?

[justoffal]

This is going to be a tough one. There isn't any one human being that can handle all the responsibilities that fall on the office of the President without some type of secondary assistance. It seems reasonable that if a president had to sign hundreds of things everyday which is probably not beyond the realm of possibility he should have some type of synthetic signature technology that would prevent him from developing corns and blisters on his writing hand.

There is a reasonable objection however to heavy duty legal documents like Pardons. In this case a personal signature indicates that not only is the person doing the signing alive and well they are also cognizant of the decision that's being made.

Here's where we have the problem. Who was running the auto pen machine at the end of Biden's term? Some of Biden's own staffers freely admit it wasn't Biden?

It's going to be interesting to see exactly where this goes. At stake here are the viability of numerous high-level pardons given out to the likes of Anthony fauci, and Adam Schiff.

Now I have a real concern about nullifying a presidential pardon even once that I don't agree with. I personally do not think it should be done.
Even if they can prove that Biden had no idea what he was doing it's going to be very difficult to separate him from the Auto Pen authority given to that office. As much as I'd like to see Fauci pay for what he's done.... I'm not sure it's worth sacrificing that one sacrosanct provision in order to do that.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Nothing wrong with the autopen so long as the president or anyone else whose signature is being applied knows and consents and agrees that it is as legally binding as a written signature. At special Ed meetings in my district, which requires signatures from a handful of people, electronic signing is now the norm, but we all have to nod our permission and hear that it is binding.

Biden's hand was probably pretty unsteady at the end. I'm sure he knew they were using autopen to sign things on his behalf. At least as much as he was capable of knowing and understanding. In the last year, he was about as involved in decisions as a ventriliquist puppet.

 

[Moonglow]

Trump admits to using autopen after declaring Biden's pardons void due to autopen

President Donald Trump claimed without evidence early Monday that his predecessor’s pardons for members of the House select committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, attacks on the Capitol are invalid because then-President Joe Biden didn’t use a real pen. And when asked on Monday if he has...

www.msnbc.com

 

[Moonglow]

Nothing wrong with the autopen so long as the president or anyone else whose signature is being applied knows and consents and agrees that it is as legally binding as a written signature. At special Ed meetings in my district, which requires signatures from a handful of people, electronic signing is now the norm, but we all have to nod our permission and hear that it is binding.

Biden's hand was probably pretty unsteady at the end. I'm sure he knew they were using autopen to sign things on his behalf. At least as much as he was capable of knowing and understanding. In the last year, he was about as involved in decisions as a ventriliquist puppet.

Where is yer proof backing up yer claim?

 

[Muhammed]

Trump admits to using autopen after declaring Biden's pardons void due to autopen

President Donald Trump claimed without evidence early Monday that his predecessor’s pardons for members of the House select committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, attacks on the Capitol are invalid because then-President Joe Biden didn’t use a real pen. And when asked on Monday if he has...

www.msnbc.com

The big difference is that Trump doesn't use the autopen on legal documents.

If I was the AG I would consider Biden's autopen signature to be a forgery and prosecute the Biden crime family.

 

[80zephyr]

Where is yer proof backing up yer claim?

There is the problem with the auto pen. Where is the proof that Biden actually knew these things were being signed?

 

[justoffal]

There is the problem with the auto pen. Where is the proof that Biden actually knew these things were being signed?

That's going to be very difficult to prove one way or another but it's a damn good question.

 

[Oddball]

This is going to be a tough one. There isn't any one human being that can handle all the responsibilities that fall on the office of the President without some type of secondary assistance. It seems reasonable that if a president had to sign hundreds of things everyday which is probably not beyond the realm of possibility he should have some type of synthetic signature technology that would prevent him from developing corns and blisters on his writing hand.

There is a reasonable objection however to heavy duty legal documents like Pardons. In this case a personal signature indicates that not only is the person doing the signing alive and well they are also cognizant of the decision that's being made.

Here's where we have the problem. Who was running the auto pen machine at the end of Biden's term? Some of Biden's own staffers freely admit it wasn't Biden?

It's going to be interesting to see exactly where this goes. At stake here are the viability of numerous high-level pardons given out to the likes of Anthony fauci, and Adam Schiff.

Now I have a real concern about nullifying a presidential pardon even once that I don't agree with. I personally do not think it should be done.
Even if they can prove that Biden had no idea what he was doing it's going to be very difficult to separate him from the Auto Pen authority given to that office. As much as I'd like to see Fauci pay for what he's done.... I'm not sure it's worth sacrificing that one sacrosanct provision in order to do that.

If it's used when he's thousands of mile away, you can be reasonably assured that its use wasn't legit.

The autopen is only one aspect of this...The very idea of issuing blanket pardons to individuals, many of whom were unnamed, for any and all infractions that may or may not have occurred over an oh-so-convenient period of time, is absurd on its face.