The Advancing Society (outline)

[Quantum Windbag]

Eugenics is not science, it is an abhorrent philosophy that believes that some people are superior to others, and that all men are not equal. The fact that you support it says more about you than you understand, and you may someday awaken to your evil nature and repudiate it. In the meantime, all intelligent, non bigoted, and free minded individuals will continue to mock you and defend the world against you and other fascists that think the way you do.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Eugenics, like the extinguishing of a fire or the manufacturing of modern aircraft, is the application of science towards a goal.

You claimed Sociobiology wasn't science and that you'd debunked evolutionary psychology. You failed to ever back that claim.

If I debunked evolutionary psychology that proves I was right in my claims, thanks for admitting it.

 

[JBeukema]

Eugenics is not science, it is an abhorrent philosophy that believes that some people are superior to others, and that all men are not equal. The fact that you support it says more about you than you understand, and you may someday awaken to your evil nature and repudiate it. In the meantime, all intelligent, non bigoted, and free minded individuals will continue to mock you and defend the world against you and other fascists that think the way you do.

All men are not equal in form, character, or cognitive capacity and potential. Men are not widgets.

The healthy and robust form is doubtless superior to the illness and suffering to which some are condemned. That you would not prefer your child be healthy rather than gravely ill and misshapen shows your lack of moral character, conscience, and compassion.

Fascist? More like a cross between social democracy and republicanism.

 

[JBeukema]

I said you claimed it. Now you're lying and said I said you actually did it? Why are you always compelled to lie?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Eugenics is not science, it is an abhorrent philosophy that believes that some people are superior to others, and that all men are not equal. The fact that you support it says more about you than you understand, and you may someday awaken to your evil nature and repudiate it. In the meantime, all intelligent, non bigoted, and free minded individuals will continue to mock you and defend the world against you and other fascists that think the way you do.

All men are not equal in form, character, or cognitive capacity and potential. Men are not widgets.

The healthy and robust form is doubtless superior to the illness and suffering to which some are condemned. That you would not prefer your child be healthy rather than gravely ill and misshapen shows your lack of moral character, conscience, and compassion.

Fascist? More like a cross between social democracy and republicanism.

Prove it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I said you claimed it. Now you're lying and said I said you actually did it? Why are you always compelled to lie?

How am I lying. The word if is a conditional, didn't they teach you about that in English last year? I learned about the in 4th or 5th grade, if memory serves me.

 

[JBeukema]

You need me to prove that men are not all equal in cognitive ability and physical form?



Why do you think we have academic decathlons and the Olympics?

You don't think men are unequal in character? Perhaps you do not differ from Ricardo Ramirez, but you're delusional if you think the rest of the population shares your love of raping old women.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You need me to prove that men are not all equal in cognitive ability and physical form?



Why do you think we have academic decathlons and the Olympics?

You don't think men are unequal in character? Perhaps you do not differ from Ricardo Ramirez, but you're delusional if you think the rest of the population shares your love of raping old women.

The typical response of proponents of a master race, your true colors are showing.

 

[JBeukema]

Right, the 'typical response of proponents of a master race' is to not support the rape and murder of old women? Newsflash: Most people don't love to rape old women like you do.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Right, the 'typical response of proponents of a master race' is to not support the rape and murder of old women? Newsflash: Most people don't love to rape old women like you do.

Their typical response is to resort to strawmen arguments in an attempt to deflect the discussion when they are called on their claims that some people are inherently inferior to others. You have done both of those.

 

[JBeukema]

Some people are stronger than others. Some are smarter than others. Men are not equal in form, ability, character, or potential. I've proven this time and again and it is self-evident if one simple looks around. The fair and strong king is not equal to deformed and diseased thief. To imply otherwise is absurdity.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Strength can be increased with training. Intelligence is not easily defined, and a person can literally test as an idiot on an IQ test, yet still excel at the arts, or even math and science. I might not be able to run a marathon, but that marathoner cannot do everything I can. Character is not inherited, and every person's potential is only limited by themselves. You have never proven any of your claims, as I have just demonstrated, because your claims are only valid in the warped world of your imagination. The only thing that is self evident is your ignorance and inability to look at the world the way it is.

The fair and strong king understands that the deformed and diseased thief is human, and has the potential to be a better king than he is. To claim otherwise shows that you do not understand what a human being is, or what we can be.

 

[loosecannon]

A second-draft outline for a more in-depth analysis and explanation of some of the various matters we have discussed here. Any thoughts on organization or anything of import than I might have failed to include?


(tabs aren't preserved, apparently)

The Advancing Society


I – Historical Perspective
A – The Evolution of Man from Ape
B – The Emergence of the Races and their Cultures
C – The American Nation
i – Founding and early years
ii – The American People and Culture


II – The Degeneration of the American People and Nation
A- Physical
i – The Increase of obesity, myopia, and certain other ailments
ii – Why we have seen a decrease in the rates of certain illnesses (the existing use of such eugenic means as preimplantation genetic diagnosis, zygote selection, and selective abortions)
B - Social
i – Increasing rates of criminality
ii – Gratuitous sexuality and violence in pop culture
iii – The decline of the nuclear family

C – Economic
i – The decline of American manufacturing and scientific elitism
ii – Rising economic insecurity and inequality
iii – The disconnect between politicians and the elite versus the common man
iv – Measures of the decline: gdp, gnp, real income, et al
v – Betrayal of the working class by the unions


II – How to reverse the Degeneration: Regneration
A – Physical
i - Creating a culture of health
a – using Hollywood as a tool of propaganda to cast a negative light upon obesity, sloth, etc
b – replacing the radioactive spider, chemical-x, and other deus ex machina with active self-improvement
c – what we can learn from the Greek example
ii – Combating disease and improving Man's physical form
a – preimplantation genetic diagnosis
b – gene therapy
c - nootropes
d – encouraging pride in the growth growth of healthy families
1 – lessons form the Fitter Families contests
e – encouraging the self-limitation of the less fit
iii – protecting against abuse of the system by racist elements: what we can learn from
past misdeeds
iv – protecting against abuse by other contra-selective and misguided elements:
a- the Chinese example


B – Forging a Better Society
i – the necessity of the Citizens' pride in his society
ii – the new Ethics and the new Philosophy
iii – the new law and a more perfect governance: the new Social Democracy


C- Building a New Economy
i – the role of protectionism and of trade
ii – the role of workplace democracy
iii – capitalism and the public good
iv – the role of the State: proper regulation


III – The Dual nature of the Task Before us
A – the new Man can only thrive in the new society
B – the new society can only be built and maintained by the new man


V – A Way to a New World: the Path of the Advancing Society
A- the Birth of the Man
i – the rejection of the myth of equality; embracing excellence
ii – the adoption of the New Philosophy and the New Ethic
ii – Overcoming the limits of human nature and social conditioning
B – Social
i - The New Social Paradigm and its implication
a- a culture of fitness and of compassion
b – redefining all Man as family

ii- redefining the role of the State and combating authoritarian 'progressivism'
a- the rejection of Liberalism and old socialism
b- shaping the new Law

C – Economic
i – restoring American excellence and elitism
ii – the necessity of energy and economic independence for the preservation of sovereignty and security
iii – strengthening the working class
iv – combating economic insecurity and creating more egalitarian market

got a link?

 

[JBeukema]

Character is not inherited

To claim that temperament has zero heritability is simply incorrect.

, and every person's potential is only limited by themselves.

Really? Stephen Hawking could be a bodybuilder if only he;'d get up and work out?

You have never proven any of your claims, as I have just demonstrated,

You live in your own world, don't you?

because your claims are only valid in the warped world of your imagination.

The irony...

The only thing that is self evident is your ignorance and inability to look at the world the way it is.

again the irony...

 

[JBeukema]

A second-draft outline for a more in-depth analysis and explanation of some of the various matters we have discussed here. Any thoughts on organization or anything of import than I might have failed to include?


(tabs aren't preserved, apparently)

The Advancing Society


I – Historical Perspective
A – The Evolution of Man from Ape
B – The Emergence of the Races and their Cultures
C – The American Nation
i – Founding and early years
ii – The American People and Culture


II – The Degeneration of the American People and Nation
A- Physical
i – The Increase of obesity, myopia, and certain other ailments
ii – Why we have seen a decrease in the rates of certain illnesses (the existing use of such eugenic means as preimplantation genetic diagnosis, zygote selection, and selective abortions)
B - Social
i – Increasing rates of criminality
ii – Gratuitous sexuality and violence in pop culture
iii – The decline of the nuclear family

C – Economic
i – The decline of American manufacturing and scientific elitism
ii – Rising economic insecurity and inequality
iii – The disconnect between politicians and the elite versus the common man
iv – Measures of the decline: gdp, gnp, real income, et al
v – Betrayal of the working class by the unions


II – How to reverse the Degeneration: Regneration
A – Physical
i - Creating a culture of health
a – using Hollywood as a tool of propaganda to cast a negative light upon obesity, sloth, etc
b – replacing the radioactive spider, chemical-x, and other deus ex machina with active self-improvement
c – what we can learn from the Greek example
ii – Combating disease and improving Man's physical form
a – preimplantation genetic diagnosis
b – gene therapy
c - nootropes
d – encouraging pride in the growth growth of healthy families
1 – lessons form the Fitter Families contests
e – encouraging the self-limitation of the less fit
iii – protecting against abuse of the system by racist elements: what we can learn from
past misdeeds
iv – protecting against abuse by other contra-selective and misguided elements:
a- the Chinese example


B – Forging a Better Society
i – the necessity of the Citizens' pride in his society
ii – the new Ethics and the new Philosophy
iii – the new law and a more perfect governance: the new Social Democracy


C- Building a New Economy
i – the role of protectionism and of trade
ii – the role of workplace democracy
iii – capitalism and the public good
iv – the role of the State: proper regulation


III – The Dual nature of the Task Before us
A – the new Man can only thrive in the new society
B – the new society can only be built and maintained by the new man


V – A Way to a New World: the Path of the Advancing Society
A- the Birth of the Man
i – the rejection of the myth of equality; embracing excellence
ii – the adoption of the New Philosophy and the New Ethic
ii – Overcoming the limits of human nature and social conditioning
B – Social
i - The New Social Paradigm and its implication
a- a culture of fitness and of compassion
b – redefining all Man as family

ii- redefining the role of the State and combating authoritarian 'progressivism'
a- the rejection of Liberalism and old socialism
b- shaping the new Law

C – Economic
i – restoring American excellence and elitism
ii – the necessity of energy and economic independence for the preservation of sovereignty and security
iii – strengthening the working class
iv – combating economic insecurity and creating more egalitarian market

got a link?

You want a link to the post you just quoted?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

To claim that temperament has zero heritability is simply incorrect.

Temperament is not character.

Really? Stephen Hawking could be a bodybuilder if only he;'d get up and work out?

Perhaps, but if his parents had screened for muscular dystrophy, and terminated him, as you advocate, that would have been a true tragedy. It is pretty ironic that you are trying to use someone as an example to prove your point when he actually proves mine. Thanks for making it for me.

again the irony...

 

[JBeukema]

Really? Stephen Hawking could be a bodybuilder if only he;'d get up and work out?

Perhaps

You're retarded, aren't you?

Hawkings proves my point on a number of topics, especially on the meritocracy I advocate as opposed to the caste system you tried to inject into another conversation.

 

[JBeukema]

1) Humans are Apes, dude. In fact, we're great apes. Seeing as there are other species belonging to the same family, it follows that our common ancestor was also an ape.

Scientific classification Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Suborder: Haplorrhini
Infraorder: Simiiformes
Parvorder: Catarrhini
Superfamily: Hominoidea
Family: Hominidae

2) Common usage; this is not a scientific article. There's no point getting into Latin scientific designations in an outline.

Not only did we evolve from an ape (or rather, from a population of apes)- we're still apes. Once again, I offer you the friendly advise to not run your mouth when you don't have a clue regarding the subject matter.


here:
Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hominidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No idiot, as you just proved in your post, humans are hominids, not apes.

Not only did we not evolve from apes, but no one in the scientific community even says that, which you would know if you stopped reading books about eugenics.

The truth is that apes are as fully evolved as humans, just along a different path. Current theory is that we shared a common ancestor about 6 to 8 million years ago. There is some evidence that this timeline may not be accurate, but that would just push the divergence back a few million years.

This common ancestor is often described as ape-like, but that does not make it an ape.

Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

Evolution: Frequently Asked Questions

i never said we evolved from monkeys

literacy fail

 

[Quantum Windbag]

1) Humans are Apes, dude. In fact, we're great apes. Seeing as there are other species belonging to the same family, it follows that our common ancestor was also an ape.

Scientific classification Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Suborder: Haplorrhini
Infraorder: Simiiformes
Parvorder: Catarrhini
Superfamily: Hominoidea
Family: Hominidae

2) Common usage; this is not a scientific article. There's no point getting into Latin scientific designations in an outline.

Not only did we evolve from an ape (or rather, from a population of apes)- we're still apes. Once again, I offer you the friendly advise to not run your mouth when you don't have a clue regarding the subject matter.


here:
Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hominidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No idiot, as you just proved in your post, humans are hominids, not apes.

Not only did we not evolve from apes, but no one in the scientific community even says that, which you would know if you stopped reading books about eugenics.

The truth is that apes are as fully evolved as humans, just along a different path. Current theory is that we shared a common ancestor about 6 to 8 million years ago. There is some evidence that this timeline may not be accurate, but that would just push the divergence back a few million years.

This common ancestor is often described as ape-like, but that does not make it an ape.

Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

Evolution: Frequently Asked Questions

i never said we evolved from monkeys

literacy fail

Don't you mean comprehension fail?

You said that humans are apes, and I went on to prove that they are not. I never claimed you said that we evolved from them, I pointed out that humans are not apes. Nice strawman though.

 

[JBeukema]

Fail.

You quoted a 'humans did not evolve from monkeys' site.

I proved that humans are not only apes, but great apes.

You argued that humans aren't mammals.