That "Change" That I Proposed For The Democrats.....

[PoliticalChic]

Sure, ten years or more later after having essentially promoted counterproductive democrat policy with his ignorance.
As for Boies, why is it that people like him can be so objective and accurately critical of the democrat party but still remain democrat? It’s not like it’s inherent. They have to choose it.

Both of them are about changing the Democrat Party.

Keep your eye on what is happening.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't see the problem with the Democratic Party as being any issue but rather on its power being centralized within DNC leadership of eggheads with attitude. For a party that embraces diversity, that diversity sure doesn't pertain to free thought. It needs to decentralize and become democratic to represent the people.

You are on the right track,

I assume you don't believe men can be pregnant.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You mean no one acted to prevent it except for Obama who negotiated a treaty with Iran to prevent them from going nuclear. Trump just threw it away and got nothing in return. Thanks Trump.

Trump is definitely teaching the Iranians a lesson. That lesson being that if they don't want to be attacked by the US, the only why they can protect themselves in the future is to acquire nuclear weapons. Thanks Trump.

Did Hussein know about this?
The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-ProliferationTreaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of ...
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia

We are signatories to that treaty: it forbids his guaranteeing nukes to Iran. It's a law.

AI Overview
A war criminal is an individual who has committed a serious violation of the laws and customs of war, also known as war crimes, during an armed conflict.

Hussein Obama.....war criminal.

The law the war criminal broke has been a law since 1970

 

[Stryder50]

You mean no one acted to prevent it except for Obama who negotiated a treaty with Iran to prevent them from going nuclear. Trump just threw it away and got nothing in return. Thanks Trump.

Trump is definitely teaching the Iranians a lesson. That lesson being that if they don't want to be attacked by the US, the only why they can protect themselves in the future is to acquire nuclear weapons. Thanks Trump.

A sham "treaty" that allowed Iran to still pursue making nukes, just sub rosa.
Otherwise they wouldn't have openly regained capacity they have now, er had ...

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Both of them are about changing the Democrat Party.

Keep your eye on what is happening.

Why not just abandon? The allegiance should be country over party.

 

[alang1216]

See, there's this lie again....The JCPOA never was meant to "prevent" Iran from obtaining a nuke, only to slow them down, then Obama bribed them with $400 million in cash to agree to it...Which they in turn used to ramp up their missile capacity, and funding of terrorism against Israel.

However bad Obama's treaty was, and it had lots of support from other nations, it was better than what Trump replaced it with. Which was nothing. Fast forward to today and that $400 Mil seems like a bargain compared to the billions we're now spending executing a war with the support of only one other country.

 

[j-mac]

However bad Obama's treaty was, and it had lots of support from other nations, it was better than what Trump replaced it with. Which was nothing. Fast forward to today and that $400 Mil seems like a bargain compared to the billions we're now spending executing a war with the support of only one other country.

So, let Iran get a nuke, continue to threaten the region, and project terror across the globe…good plan

 

[alang1216]

Did Hussein know about this?
The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-ProliferationTreaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of ...
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia

We are signatories to that treaty: it forbids his guaranteeing nukes to Iran. It's a law.

Then it was good Obama did no such thing.

AI Overview - did obama guarantee iran would get nuclear weapons

No. President Obama did not guarantee Iran would get nuclear weapons; rather, he negotiated the 2015 JCPOA deal to
prevent Iran from acquiring one by restricting their nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. The deal, which Iran signed, prohibited them from seeking nuclear weapons and forced them to reduce their enriched uranium stockpile by 98%.
National Archives (.gov) +3
Key Details on the Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA):

• Goal: The agreement aimed to ensure Iran's nuclear program remained exclusively peaceful.
• Restrictions: Iran agreed to cut its centrifuges by two-thirds, eliminate 98% of its enriched uranium stockpile, and modify the Arak reactor to prevent weapons-grade plutonium production.
• Inspection Regime: The agreement established a highly intrusive, 24/7 inspection and verification regime, with some provisions lasting 25 years, to ensure compliance.
• Opposing Viewpoints: Critics, including many Republicans, argued that the deal was too weak, had "sunset clauses" where restrictions expired (mostly around 2031), and provided sanctions relief money that could fund Iran's other activities. However, experts noted the deal was meant to slow down development rather than allow it.
• Withdrawal: The U.S. withdrew from the deal in 2018 under President Trump.
  Hoover Institution +6

The claim that the deal "gave" Iran a right to weapons is generally considered false by fact-checkers, as the agreement was designed to specifically prevent that outcome through monitoring and, if necessary, the "snapback" of sanctions.
National Archives (.gov) +1

 

[alang1216]

So, let Iran get a nuke, continue to threaten the region, and project terror across the globe…good plan

There was an international treaty to prevent exactly that until Trump tore it up and replaced it with.. no plan.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why not just abandon? The allegiance should be country over party.

Exactly what Boies said in the article:

"More important still, even when we believed a president’s actions were misguided, we almost always wanted him to succeed if possible. Some efforts to curtail what the president is doing in Iran seem motivated simply by a desire not to give him a win—even if it means a loss for America.

When North Korea invaded South Korea President Harry S. Truman acted to stop it. It was so unpopular that Truman didn’t seek re-election in 1952. Dwight Eisenhower was elected on the promise that he would go to Korea and end the war. But while Truman was president, lawmakers on both sides supported Truman, even when he removed the popular Gen. Douglas MacArthur from his command."

 

[alang1216]

A sham "treaty" that allowed Iran to still pursue making nukes, just sub rosa.
Otherwise they wouldn't have openly regained capacity they have now, er had ...

First, we don't know what capacity, if any, they had. Secondly, we may have delayed their nukes by years but, if the current regime remains in place, you can bet that sub rosa will be their new path.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Then it was good Obama did no such thing.

AI Overview - did obama guarantee iran would get nuclear weapons

No. President Obama did not guarantee Iran would get nuclear weapons; rather, he negotiated the 2015 JCPOA deal to
prevent Iran from acquiring one by restricting their nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. The deal, which Iran signed, prohibited them from seeking nuclear weapons and forced them to reduce their enriched uranium stockpile by 98%.
National Archives (.gov) +3
Key Details on the Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA):

• Goal: The agreement aimed to ensure Iran's nuclear program remained exclusively peaceful.
• Restrictions: Iran agreed to cut its centrifuges by two-thirds, eliminate 98% of its enriched uranium stockpile, and modify the Arak reactor to prevent weapons-grade plutonium production.
• Inspection Regime: The agreement established a highly intrusive, 24/7 inspection and verification regime, with some provisions lasting 25 years, to ensure compliance.
• Opposing Viewpoints: Critics, including many Republicans, argued that the deal was too weak, had "sunset clauses" where restrictions expired (mostly around 2031), and provided sanctions relief money that could fund Iran's other activities. However, experts noted the deal was meant to slow down development rather than allow it.
• Withdrawal: The U.S. withdrew from the deal in 2018 under President Trump.
  Hoover Institution +6

The claim that the deal "gave" Iran a right to weapons is generally considered false by fact-checkers, as the agreement was designed to specifically prevent that outcome through monitoring and, if necessary, the "snapback" of sanctions.
National Archives (.gov) +1

Who told you that, the Democrats???????


3. Democrat Obama guaranteed Irab nuclear weapons. Guaranteed. That was the "deal." Not "never"....just ten years later.PR wrote that they were restricted for 10 years:
"Perhaps the biggest unknown is what happens to that breakout time once some of the terms of this deal start to expire 10 and 15 years from now.
In an interview with NPR after the framework of this agreement was reached, Democrat President Obama conceded that "at that point the breakout times would have shrunk almost down to zero."
But this deal, Democrat Obama argued at the time, buys the United States at least a decade."
6 Things You Should Know About The Iran Nuclear Deal






4.What did the free world get after guaranteeing nuclear weapons to 7th century fanatics?
Nothihng....not ever the ability to inspect to see if Iran was keeping to the agreement.
Democrat Obama made certain there could never be inspections:
"In conclusion, according to the agreement, Iran can continue its uranium enrichment program and continue developing its weapon program at its many military sites, and every time the IAEA suspects anything, the Iranians can have 24 days at a minimum and 45 days maximum to delay the access, sanitize the sites, or transfer the unauthorized nuclear work to another unauthorized military site."
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/obama_and_irans_nuclear_lies.html#ixzz5nH0Ua9im
He guaranteed Iran nuclear weapons, guaranteed no inspections, sent them a pallet with $400 million in cash, and released another $900 million to them.....and his puppet, Biden, removed sanctions that forbid them selling oil to China.




5. Yet I keep seeing posts claiming that the Democrat Obama "deal" stopped Iran from enriching uranium, or building nuclear weapons.
Democrats actually encouraged Iran's nuclear program...and paid for it with taxpayer funds.

Reagan explained the reason for such posts:
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so" is a famous quote often attributed to Ronald Reagan

 

[PoliticalChic]

There was an international treaty to prevent exactly that until Trump tore it up and replaced it with.. no plan.

Never passed by the Congress because it was a sham to guarantee nukes to the 7th century barbarians.


It's impossible to miss the pattern here.........Democrarats licking the boots of the Mullahs....
Without the Democrat Party the Mullahs would still be in Paris, without the Democrat Party the Mullahs would not be guaranteed nuclear weapons, without the Democrat Partly their economy would be in free-fall.

....just as it's impossible to miss this patten:
You licking the boots ofd the Democrat Party

 

[j-mac]

There was an international treaty to prevent exactly that until Trump tore it up and replaced it with.. no plan.

Funny, I didn’t see the Hezis or Hamas disband during that treaty….

 

[PoliticalChic]

First, we don't know what capacity, if any, they had. Secondly, we may have delayed their nukes by years but, if the current regime remains in place, you can bet that sub rosa will be their new path.

The current administration stated exactly when they could have nukes: never.

 

[alang1216]

Exactly what Boies said in the article:

"More important still, even when we believed a president’s actions were misguided, we almost always wanted him to succeed if possible. Some efforts to curtail what the president is doing in Iran seem motivated simply by a desire not to give him a win—even if it means a loss for America.

I think everyone would agree that Trump is very bold and not afraid to take risks. He was as a businessman and he is as president. Unfortunately some of his businesses failed but he was always able to start a new business. There is only one USA, if it fails we all go down with the ship.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Exactly what Boies said in the article:

"More important still, even when we believed a president’s actions were misguided, we almost always wanted him to succeed if possible. Some efforts to curtail what the president is doing in Iran seem motivated simply by a desire not to give him a win—even if it means a loss for America.

When North Korea invaded South Korea President Harry S. Truman acted to stop it. It was so unpopular that Truman didn’t seek re-election in 1952. Dwight Eisenhower was elected on the promise that he would go to Korea and end the war. But while Truman was president, lawmakers on both sides supported Truman, even when he removed the popular Gen. Douglas MacArthur from his command."

But that dynamic no longer applies because this is way beyond misguidedness. This democrat party has become an actual enemy of the state.

 

[alang1216]

The current administration stated exactly when they could have nukes; never.

Never is a lot longer than the current administration will last.

 

[alang1216]

3. Democrat Obama guaranteed Irab nuclear weapons. Guaranteed. That was the "deal." Not "never"....just ten years later.PR wrote that they were restricted for 10 years:
"Perhaps the biggest unknown is what happens to that breakout time once some of the terms of this deal start to expire 10 and 15 years from now.
In an interview with NPR after the framework of this agreement was reached, Democrat President Obama conceded that "at that point the breakout times would have shrunk almost down to zero."
But this deal, Democrat Obama argued at the time, buys the United States at least a decade."
6 Things You Should Know About The Iran Nuclear Deal

You have it backwards, hardly surprising. Obama did guarantee them nukes, he guaranteed they would not have nukes for 10+ years. Before then there was plenty of time to negotiate for more time or THEN bomb the hell out of them.

4.What did the free world get after guaranteeing nuclear weapons to 7th century fanatics?
Nothihng....not ever the ability to inspect to see if Iran was keeping to the agreement.
Democrat Obama made certain there could never be inspections:
"In conclusion, according to the agreement, Iran can continue its uranium enrichment program and continue developing its weapon program at its many military sites, and every time the IAEA suspects anything, the Iranians can have 24 days at a minimum and 45 days maximum to delay the access, sanitize the sites, or transfer the unauthorized nuclear work to another unauthorized military site."

Sanitizing a nuclear site is like cleaning a crime scene, impossible to throughly clean since one little bit of evidence is all you need to miss.

He guaranteed Iran nuclear weapons, guaranteed no inspections, sent them a pallet with $400 million in cash, and released another $900 million to them.....and his puppet, Biden, removed sanctions that forbid them selling oil to China.

Wow, that is almost how much Trump is spending every day.

5. Yet I keep seeing posts claiming that the Democrat Obama "deal" stopped Iran from enriching uranium, or building nuclear weapons.
Democrats actually encouraged Iran's nuclear program...and paid for it with taxpayer funds.

You are confusing Iran nuclear power program with their weapons program. Intentionally as usual.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But that dynamic no longer applies because this is way beyond misguidedness. This democrat party has become an actual enemy of the state.

True.....they they want to win elections.

I see change coming.