ten years ago

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

Well pretty good I'd say. It divided a unified country. We lost how many US service members and contractors to death and disability...we lost much credibility and good will all over the world...

I am sorry to say I supported that war for reasons other than laid out by the Administration and was horrified to see them take my support for their nation and region building silliness.
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I will never again be so easily fooled
 
People want to talk about Clinton, Carter, FDR, and other people in the past, but W.?
 
Nothing says "freedom" to the GOP like starting false wars, having thousands of american troops killed, and spending ourselves into oblivion.
 
Nothing says "freedom" to the GOP like starting false wars, having thousands of american troops killed, and spending ourselves into oblivion.

and lately they've been trying to throw W under the bus, but after rolling Chris Sugar Donut Christie into it,,,,that bus won't run
 
Nothing says "freedom" to the GOP like starting false wars, having thousands of american troops killed, and spending ourselves into oblivion.
And yet it was a Democrat named Kennedy that got us involved in Vietnam and the death of 58,000 American soldiers........ :cool:

AND under Nixon there was a secret peace plan and over half the deaths in nam happened under his few years in office

you get an F in American Hstory
 
Nothing says "freedom" to the GOP like starting false wars, having thousands of american troops killed, and spending ourselves into oblivion.
And yet it was a Democrat named Kennedy that got us involved in Vietnam and the death of 58,000 American soldiers........ :cool:

On the contrary, it was Eisenhower.

Turning Points in the Vietnam War | History Today

By 1954 the war in Vietnam had become increasingly unpopular in France. The defeat of French troops by Communist forces at Dienbienphu left France exhausted, exasperated and keen to withdraw. At the international conference convened to discuss French Indochina at Geneva in May 1954, the French exit was formalised. Vietnam was temporarily divided, with Ho Chi Minh in control of the north and the Emperor Bao Dai in control of the south. The Geneva Accords declared that there were to be nationwide elections leading to reunification of Vietnam in 1956. However, US intervention ensured that this ‘temporary division’ was to last for more than 20 years.

The United States refused to sign the Geneva Accords and moved to defy them within weeks. Eisenhower's Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles, organised allies such as Britain in the South-east Asia Treaty Organisation (SEATO). The SEATO signatories agreed to protect South Vietnam, in defiance of the Geneva Accords, which had forbidden the Vietnamese from entering into foreign alliances or to allow foreign troops in Vietnam.

The Eisenhower administration encouraged Bao Dai to appoint Ngo Dinh Diem as his prime minister, and then proceeded to engage in ‘nation building’. Eisenhower and Dulles created a new state, in defiance (yet again) of the Geneva Accords and of what was known to be the will of the Vietnamese people. Eisenhower recorded in his memoirs that he knew that if there had been genuine democratic elections in Vietnam in 1956, Ho Chi Minh would have won around 80 per cent of the vote. In order to avoid a wholly Communist Vietnam, the US had sponsored an artificial political creation, the state of South Vietnam.
 
"I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'"
 
Nothing says "freedom" to the GOP like starting false wars, having thousands of american troops killed, and spending ourselves into oblivion.
And yet it was a Democrat named Kennedy that got us involved in Vietnam and the death of 58,000 American soldiers........ :cool:

Which is even more damning of GWB, who should have learned from that failure, and is now responsible for yet another failed war.
 
4 years ago, trillion became the new billion...

How is that working for us? Well, it sure is working for the Fed isn't it.
 
The way Conservatives who supported the Iraq war admit that the Iraq war was a major blunder is that they try to blame it on the Democrats. You see it in almost every Iraq war thread.

It's the closest thing to an outright admission of their own stupidity that you will ever get, but it's enough to prove the point.
 
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4 years ago, trillion became the new billion...

How is that working for us? Well, it sure is working for the Fed isn't it.

that's why starting a war, lowering taxes and putting the war on visa was such a stellar idea.
 
The way Conservatives who supported the Iraq war admit that the Iraq war was a major blunder is that they try to blame it on the Democrats. You see it in almost every Iraq war thread.

It's the closest thing to an outright admission of their own stupidity that you will ever get, but it's enough to prove the point.

Iraq was the right war handled wrong. No blame of anyone but Boooooooosh for that.

Try again
 

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