Tear Down This Myth

[FistyTheBadger]

He resigned in disgrace. Remember? Watergate.

Watergate was pretty much the only thing he did wrong. He should be remembered for the fantastic job he did.

Nixon hardly did a fantastic job.

I never said "very fantastic." He is barely in the realm of fantastic. He is "hardly fantastic." But he was fantastic.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Watergate was pretty much the only thing he did wrong. He should be remembered for the fantastic job he did.

Nixon hardly did a fantastic job.

I never said "very fantastic." He is barely in the realm of fantastic. He is "hardly fantastic." But he was fantastic.

Wage and price controls take him out of the running for "fantastic" at any level.

 

[Truthmatters]

So you truely think History is completetly unrelevant?

I knew I should have pre-emptively struck that tired old saw "it's history and we're DOOMED to repeat it". I have no doubt that history is important, what isn't important is tearing down Reagan NOW. It is an exercise without merit.

This is boring. It's so bad at this point I can just cut and paste what I've already said.

Such a pretty face an no desire to understand the world.

Are you just going to spend the rest of your life believing what you were told to believe and not investigate the world on your own?

The true facts of the Reagan admin are fasinating, you chose a political site for a reason.

What was the reason if you dont care about history and facts?

 

[Amanda]

So you truely think History is completetly unrelevant?

I knew I should have pre-emptively struck that tired old saw "it's history and we're DOOMED to repeat it". I have no doubt that history is important, what isn't important is tearing down Reagan NOW. It is an exercise without merit.

This is boring. It's so bad at this point I can just cut and paste what I've already said.

Such a pretty face an no desire to understand the world.

Are you just going to spend the rest of your life believing what you were told to believe and not investigate the world on your own?

The true facts of the Reagan admin are fasinating, you chose a political site for a reason.

What was the reason if you dont care about history and facts?

I have no doubt that history is important, what isn't important is tearing down Reagan NOW.

Ok, I've said. I've quoted saying it. And I've quoted saying it again. Here's to hoping that the third time is the charm, because this has become masturbation as well, and I'm not here to help get you off.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I am sorry to hear that.

He resigned in disgrace. Remember? Watergate.

Watergate was pretty much the only thing he did wrong. He should be remembered for the fantastic job he did.

That was a much bigger deal than lying under oath about a blowjob. Nixon was impeached for MAJOR obstruction of justice, and abuse of power, and contempt of congress. A total of 25 officials from his administration, including four cabinet members, were eventually convicted and imprisoned for various crimes.

 

[editec]

The point of tearning down the Reagan did not wrong myth is that much of what he started (fear and loathing of government regulations) can be directly attributed to the banking fiasco we're in now.

FWIW, Reagan did not say " Government is the proble3m"

Reagan said "this government ( meaning Carter's) is the problem"

But the dismantling of the banking regulations he started have come back to bite us on the ass at least twice so far...thesaving and loan debacle and this current banking SNAFU.

 

[del]

He resigned in disgrace. Remember? Watergate.

Watergate was pretty much the only thing he did wrong. He should be remembered for the fantastic job he did.

That was a much bigger deal than lying under oath about a blowjob. Nixon was impeached for MAJOR obstruction of justice, and abuse of power, multiple crimes.

nixon was never impeached.

 

[Annie]

Watergate was pretty much the only thing he did wrong. He should be remembered for the fantastic job he did.

That was a much bigger deal than lying under oath about a blowjob. Nixon was impeached for MAJOR obstruction of justice, and abuse of power, multiple crimes.

nixon was never impeached.

He had the brains to resign before that could happen. I wish Blago had such a clue.

 

[Truthmatters]

Was Reagan a Great President?

Here is an interesting piece on Reagan from the history channel

 

[FistyTheBadger]

He resigned in disgrace. Remember? Watergate.

Watergate was pretty much the only thing he did wrong. He should be remembered for the fantastic job he did.

That was a much bigger deal than lying under oath about a blowjob. Nixon was impeached for MAJOR obstruction of justice, and abuse of power, and contempt of congress. A total of 25 officials from his administration, including four cabinet members, were eventually convicted and imprisoned for various crimes.

I know what Watergate was. I just think he deserved the soft spot I have had for him ever since learning about him in the third grade.

 

[FistyTheBadger]

Was Reagan a Great President?

Here is an interesting piece on Reagan from the history channel

The History Channel lost its reputation from me when it started playing a program about what earth would look like in thousands of years if humans never existed.

 

[Truthmatters]

Was Reagan a Great President?

Here is an interesting piece on Reagan from the history channel

The History Channel lost its reputation from me when it started playing a program about what earth would look like in thousands of years if humans never existed.

Oh I'm sorry not that one but the History News Network.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Soft spot for Nixon? That must mean a soft spot in the head.

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/nixon.htm

 

[Sky Dancer]

Watergate

Watergate was so much more than a single crime and cover-up that it is impossible to summarize the tangle of abuses of presidential power that today are grouped under the name of the hotel where the Democratic National Committee had its offices. The arrest of five men in those offices on June 17, 1972, was the first step toward unearthing a host of administration misdeeds. It was to hide those other crimes that Nixon and his men launched the cover-up, the investigation of which helped to unravel that string of illegal conduct.

Indeed, Watergate was far from the first break-in. A year earlier, Nixon had unconstitutionally created his own secret police organization, the Special Investigations Unit, to unearth a conspiracy that he feared would leak some of his most damaging foreign policy secrets, including the secret bombing of Cambodia and Laos. The President, however, could not convince FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover that such a conspiracy actually existed. Nixon also wanted to expose the alleged conspiracy in the press, something the Justice Department could not legally do. He decided he needed his own team to investigate the conspiracy and leak damaging stories about it. Thus was born the SIU, better known by its nickname, "The Plumbers," an inside joke about its mission to fix leaks.

The immediate cause of Nixon's concern was the publication of the Pentagon Papers, a massive study of the Vietnam War as it was conducted by Nixon's predecessors. The study was commissioned by Robert S. McNamara, the secretary of defense under Kennedy and Johnson. It did not contain a word about the Nixon administration but it did reference top secret documents from the two prior presidencies. The leak ignited Nixon's fear that his own politically damaging secrets would be exposed before the 1972 election. He suspected a conspiracy and resolved to destroy it before it destroyed him.

It was to find out more about this imaginary conspiracy that two of the Plumbers, ex-CIA agent E. Howard Hunt and ex-FBI agent G. Gordon Liddy, planned and carried out an operation to discredit Daniel Ellsberg, the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Hunt and Liddy burglarized the offices of Ellsberg's psychiatrist, looking for damaging information on the former Pentagon aide and military operative. Hunt recruited the break-in team through members of the Cuban expatriate community in Florida he knew from his time as a CIA agent working on the Bay of Pigs invasion. When some of those same Cuban expatriates were arrested in the Watergate complex, and when it was discovered that Hunt and Liddy were behind the Watergate break-in as well, Nixon sought desperately to cover up their earlier misdeeds.

In fact, it was his concern with those earlier transgressions that gave rise to a post-Watergate political axiom: that the cover-up of the crime can be more damaging than the crime itself. Nixon's creation of a secret police organization without congressional authorization -- one that carried out an illegal break-in without a warrant, no less -- would ultimately become a basis for one of the articles of impeachment brought against him by the House Judiciary Committee. As Howard Hunt would put it in an angry memo as his prosecution moved forward, "The Watergate bugging is only one of a number of highly illegal conspiracies engaged in by one or more of the defendants at the behest of senior White House officials. These as yet undisclosed crimes can be proved." Nixon's chief aide, Bob Haldeman, was caught on tape alluding to this very issue:
American President: Richard Milhous Nixon: Domestic Affairs

 

[Amanda]

Soft spot for Nixon? That must mean a soft spot in the head.

The History Place - Impeachment: Richard Nixon

Can we have a new thread to rehash Nixon? This is the bash Bonzo thread.

 

[elvis]

Reagan was responsible for huge budget deficits.

His pupil George the Lesser just followed in his footsteps.

Don't you dare put Reagan and Bush in the same breath.

It's what chrissie lewinsky does.

 

[duggy]

Real history is supposed to serve as a guide and enlightenment to future generations.
Recent times have seen history "revised" usually in order re-enforce a particular point of view or agenda.
Ronald Reagan has been the subject of many attempts to revise history. Fact remains that he is still praised by people regardless of their political and social beliefs. This latest attempt is just more of the same.
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