Tar Sand Oil Pipeline Ruptures in Arkansas.

[chikenwing]

There are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines used by every poster on this board everyday,ether shut off your gas meter and stop buying ANYTHING, made from a petroleum product or stop blubbering like little children, about how you get it.

Obviously "how we get it" involves construction and maintenance.

Given that 100% of these "accidents" are the result of cut-corner construction and/or cut-corner maintenance, how should these "accidents" be punished?

100 % ??? not true and you know it. If fraud has been committed then yes they should be prosecuted.

 

[poet]

Gotta love it.

Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures | The Raw Story

An Exxon-Mobil oil pipeline ruptured Friday afternoon in the town of Mayflower, Arkansas, forcing the evacuation of 20 homes and shutting down sections of interstate highway. According to Little Rock’s KATV, a hazardous materials team from the Office of Emergency Management has contained the spill and is currently attempting a cleanup.

The burst pipe is part of the Pegasus pipeline network, which connects tar sands along the Gulf coast to refineries in Houston. Thousands of gallons of crude oil erupted from the breach around 3:00 p.m. on Friday, spilling through a housing subdivision and into the town’s storm drainage system, fouling drainage ditches and shutting down Highway 365 and Interstate 40.

Residents were evacuated to avoid health hazards from crude oil fumes and to keep stray sparks from igniting the standing oil. Emergency workers contained the spill by hastily constructing earthen dams.

So?

Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

It's a minor thing and quite rare actually.

Minor? Like the BP faulted oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?????????????????
Of which, the long term consequences have yet to be determined. All the right is interested in is short term profits, no matter what the cost to the environment or people's lives.

 

[chikenwing]

The single largest problem we have with the pipeline systems in this country is AGE.

 

[poet]

Gotta love it.

Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures | The Raw Story

An Exxon-Mobil oil pipeline ruptured Friday afternoon in the town of Mayflower, Arkansas, forcing the evacuation of 20 homes and shutting down sections of interstate highway. According to Little Rock’s KATV, a hazardous materials team from the Office of Emergency Management has contained the spill and is currently attempting a cleanup.

The burst pipe is part of the Pegasus pipeline network, which connects tar sands along the Gulf coast to refineries in Houston. Thousands of gallons of crude oil erupted from the breach around 3:00 p.m. on Friday, spilling through a housing subdivision and into the town’s storm drainage system, fouling drainage ditches and shutting down Highway 365 and Interstate 40.

Residents were evacuated to avoid health hazards from crude oil fumes and to keep stray sparks from igniting the standing oil. Emergency workers contained the spill by hastily constructing earthen dams.

Why do you love it?? it takes some kind of twisted to find pleasure in this.

Yes. Because those of us on the left told you so, beforehand.

 

[poet]

Gotta love it.

Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures | The Raw Story

Why do you love it?? it takes some kind of twisted to find pleasure in this.

the left feeds on disaster and tragedy

the right usually causes disaster and tragedy.

 

[uscitizen]

The single largest problem we have with the pipeline systems in this country is AGE.

Which is a maintenance issue.

 

[chikenwing]

Gotta love it.

Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures | The Raw Story

Why do you love it?? it takes some kind of twisted to find pleasure in this.

Yes. Because those of us on the left told you so, beforehand.

Told who what? that there are many that know nothing about what they comment on,or are willing to lie to prompt their agenda? Or are huge hypocrites that want all their comforts in life,as long as they can't see where they come from.

Is that what you have told people??

 

[Skull Pilot]

Gotta love it.

Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures | The Raw Story

So?

Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

It's a minor thing and quite rare actually.

Minor? Like the BP faulted oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?????????????????
Of which, the long term consequences have yet to be determined. All the right is interested in is short term profits, no matter what the cost to the environment or people's lives.

Another two dimensional pigeonholer.

This has nothing to do with "right" or "left"

Try moving out of the ******* flock.

We use oil, we need oil, accidents happen, we clean them up. The risk does not trump the reward. Get over it.

BTW I have been to the gulf coast twice since the spill and I have eaten the seafood and swam in the water.

 

[chikenwing]

The single largest problem we have with the pipeline systems in this country is AGE.

Which is a maintenance issue.

Which is a REPLACEMENT issue,pipe only last so long,the vast majority of systems are 40-60 pulse years old.

Ever work on a pipeline of any kind in any fashion?

 

[Ringel05]

Okay, everyone do their part, speak out, stop the madness! Stop using anything that utilizes oil.........

 

[poet]

So?

Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

It's a minor thing and quite rare actually.

Minor? Like the BP faulted oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?????????????????
Of which, the long term consequences have yet to be determined. All the right is interested in is short term profits, no matter what the cost to the environment or people's lives.

Another two dimensional pigeonholer.

This has nothing to do with "right" or "left"

Try moving out of the ******* flock.

We use oil, we need oil, accidents happen, we clean them up. The risk does not trump the reward. Get over it.

Hmmmm. We need oil? We need alternative energy vs. depleting the limited fossil fuels. One day we'll run out of oil, then what will you say? There were forces pushing for the electrification of autos, which was shot down by oil company lobbyists. Greed vs. common sense.
If we're going to engage "oil", we need oil companies to be responsible, practical and use every precaution in procuring the oil, so as not to impact the environment "negatively", which is precisely what BP didn't do with the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Accidents happen? The worst oil spill in history and you say that.
And it absolutely has to do with ideology. The right cares nothing for the environment. All they care about is profit, for investors.
Get over it? Thanks, but I choose to point out the holes in that argument for a doomed, "star-crossed" pipeline, that isn't worth the risk. I'm pro-Green.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

There are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines used by every poster on this board everyday,ether shut off your gas meter and stop buying ANYTHING, made from a petroleum product or stop blubbering like little children, about how you get it.

Obviously "how we get it" involves construction and maintenance.

Given that 100% of these "accidents" are the result of cut-corner construction and/or cut-corner maintenance, how should these "accidents" be punished?

100 % ??? not true and you know it. If fraud has been committed then yes they should be prosecuted.

To recap: 100% of internal pipeline "accidents" are DIRECTLY CONNECTED to either cut-price construction or cut-price maintenance. There are zero exceptions to that absolute fact. A fact rarely connected to fraud against the public although frequently connected to theft and fraud against stockholders, an entirely different crime that is almost impossible to prove UNTIL AN ACCIDENT OCCURS.

Instead of making up shit you are clueless about and that I have thousands of miles of pipeline experience with, why not answer the question?

 

[poet]

Why do you love it?? it takes some kind of twisted to find pleasure in this.

Yes. Because those of us on the left told you so, beforehand.

Told who what? that there are many that know nothing about what they comment on,or are willing to lie to prompt their agenda? Or are huge hypocrites that want all their comforts in life,as long as they can't see where they come from.

Is that what you have told people??

I haven't told anyone anything, except that I think it's a "bad ide". But here is someone more eloquent than I:
Six reasons to oppose Keystone pipeline » peoplesworld

 

[Ernie S.]

Man you folks are something else.

I seriously hope you don't work in a field where disaster recovery is a key part of the job.

Mountains out of molehills is all you have.

It's not a "molehill".

July 25 marks the second anniversary of the nation’s most costly oil pipeline accident—a rupture that dumped more than 1.1 million gallons of heavy crude into Michigan’s Kalamazoo River, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. The spill drove 150 families permanently from their homes. The U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration proposed $3.7 million in civil fines for Enbridge on July 2. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) recently cited the company for failing to properly maintain the pipeline and chastised the pipeline safety agency for weak federal regulations.

The spill happened in Marshall, a community of 7,400 in southwestern Michigan. More than 1.1 million gallons of oil blackened two miles of Talmadge Creek and almost 36 miles of the Kalamazoo River, according to the EPA’s most recent Situation Report (pdf). The EPA’s estimate of the amount of oil that has been collected exceeds Enbridge’s estimate of 843,444 gallons by 15 percent. Enbridge spokeswoman Terri Larson told InsideClimate News that the company stands by that number as accurate.

Oil is still showing up two years later, as the cleanup continues. About 150 families have been permanently relocated and most of the tainted stretch of river between Marshall and Kalamazoo remained closed to the public until June 21.

The accident was triggered by a six-and-a-half foot tear in Line 6B, a 30- inch carbon steel pipeline operated by Enbridge Energy Partners LP, a U.S. affiliate of Enbridge Inc., Canada's largest transporter of crude oil. With Enbridge's costs already totaling more than $765 million, it is the most expensive oil pipeline spill since the U.S. government began keeping records in 1968.

"This investigation identified a complete breakdown of safety at Enbridge. Their employees performed like Keystone Kops and failed to recognize their pipeline had ruptured and continued to pump crude into the environment," said NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman in a July 10 press release. "Despite multiple alarms and a loss of pressure in the pipeline, for more than 17 hours and through three shifts they failed to follow their own shutdown procedures." Enbridge restarted the pipeline twice in that 17-hour period, pumping through oil that would account for 81 percent of the total spill, the NTSB said.

Despite the scope of the damage, the Enbridge spill didn’t attract much national attention, perhaps because it occurred just 10 days after oil stopped spewing from BP Plc's Macondo well in the Gulf of Mexico, which ruptured three months earlier. Early reports about the Enbridge spill also downplayed its seriousness. Just about everybody, including the EPA officials who rushed to Marshall in July 2010, expected the mess to be cleaned up in a couple of months.
'Keystone Kops' Bungling Led to Costliest U.S. Pipeline Spill - Bloomberg

Every time one of these things happen, it's an ecological nightmare. It's also extremely expensive.

You're right. Every time a pipeline fails, it is horrendous, but pipelines are still a damned sight safer and cheaper than alternate methods of transport.
We don't hear about oil spills 5,000 gallons at a time, but it happens daily.

Just like we don't hear of kids getting shot one at a time by gangbangers in Chicago, but when they get killed 20 at a time in a grammar school in Connecticut, we feel outrage and the knee-jerk reaction is to ban guns.

 

[poet]

Mountains out of molehills is all you have.

It's not a "molehill".

July 25 marks the second anniversary of the nation’s most costly oil pipeline accident—a rupture that dumped more than 1.1 million gallons of heavy crude into Michigan’s Kalamazoo River, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. The spill drove 150 families permanently from their homes. The U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration proposed $3.7 million in civil fines for Enbridge on July 2. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) recently cited the company for failing to properly maintain the pipeline and chastised the pipeline safety agency for weak federal regulations.

The spill happened in Marshall, a community of 7,400 in southwestern Michigan. More than 1.1 million gallons of oil blackened two miles of Talmadge Creek and almost 36 miles of the Kalamazoo River, according to the EPA’s most recent Situation Report (pdf). The EPA’s estimate of the amount of oil that has been collected exceeds Enbridge’s estimate of 843,444 gallons by 15 percent. Enbridge spokeswoman Terri Larson told InsideClimate News that the company stands by that number as accurate.

Oil is still showing up two years later, as the cleanup continues. About 150 families have been permanently relocated and most of the tainted stretch of river between Marshall and Kalamazoo remained closed to the public until June 21.

The accident was triggered by a six-and-a-half foot tear in Line 6B, a 30- inch carbon steel pipeline operated by Enbridge Energy Partners LP, a U.S. affiliate of Enbridge Inc., Canada's largest transporter of crude oil. With Enbridge's costs already totaling more than $765 million, it is the most expensive oil pipeline spill since the U.S. government began keeping records in 1968.

"This investigation identified a complete breakdown of safety at Enbridge. Their employees performed like Keystone Kops and failed to recognize their pipeline had ruptured and continued to pump crude into the environment," said NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman in a July 10 press release. "Despite multiple alarms and a loss of pressure in the pipeline, for more than 17 hours and through three shifts they failed to follow their own shutdown procedures." Enbridge restarted the pipeline twice in that 17-hour period, pumping through oil that would account for 81 percent of the total spill, the NTSB said.

Despite the scope of the damage, the Enbridge spill didn’t attract much national attention, perhaps because it occurred just 10 days after oil stopped spewing from BP Plc's Macondo well in the Gulf of Mexico, which ruptured three months earlier. Early reports about the Enbridge spill also downplayed its seriousness. Just about everybody, including the EPA officials who rushed to Marshall in July 2010, expected the mess to be cleaned up in a couple of months.
'Keystone Kops' Bungling Led to Costliest U.S. Pipeline Spill - Bloomberg

Every time one of these things happen, it's an ecological nightmare. It's also extremely expensive.

You're right. Every time a pipeline fails, it is horrendous, but pipelines are still a damned sight safer and cheaper than alternate methods of transport.
We don't hear about oil spills 5,000 gallons at a time, but it happens daily.

Just like we don't hear of kids getting shot one at a time by gangbangers in Chicago, but when they get killed 20 at a time in a grammar school in Connecticut, we feel outrage and the knee-jerk reaction is to ban guns.

BS. Apples and oranges. The outrage felt is natural (by sentient human beings), who are simply clamoring for background checks and limiting large magazines, which is summarily rejected, "out-of-hand", by supposedly responsible gun owners (what a laugh!), who feel entitled, by way of the out-dated and irrelevant Second Amendment, that they can possess automatic weapons of any capability to "hunt" with or defend themselves against the government. What a crock of shit.

 

[Ernie S.]

Gotta love it.

Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures | The Raw Story

So?

Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

It's a minor thing and quite rare actually.

Minor? Like the BP faulted oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?????????????????
Of which, the long term consequences have yet to be determined. All the right is interested in is short term profits, no matter what the cost to the environment or people's lives.

More buzz words. Thanks.

 

[poet]

So?

Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

It's a minor thing and quite rare actually.

Minor? Like the BP faulted oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?????????????????
Of which, the long term consequences have yet to be determined. All the right is interested in is short term profits, no matter what the cost to the environment or people's lives.

More buzz words. Thanks.

Did I stutter? Your callous dismissal of reality is disturbing.

 

[Ernie S.]

It's not a "molehill".




Every time one of these things happen, it's an ecological nightmare. It's also extremely expensive.

You're right. Every time a pipeline fails, it is horrendous, but pipelines are still a damned sight safer and cheaper than alternate methods of transport.
We don't hear about oil spills 5,000 gallons at a time, but it happens daily.

Just like we don't hear of kids getting shot one at a time by gangbangers in Chicago, but when they get killed 20 at a time in a grammar school in Connecticut, we feel outrage and the knee-jerk reaction is to ban guns.

BS. Apples and oranges. The outrage felt is natural (by sentient human beings), who are simply clamoring for background checks and limiting large magazines, which is summarily rejected, "out-of-hand", by supposedly responsible gun owners (what a laugh!), who feel entitled, by way of the out-dated and irrelevant Second Amendment, that they can possess automatic weapons of any capability to "hunt" with or defend themselves against the government. What a crock of shit.

Apples and oranges? Not at all.
It's more like a bushel of apples compared to a truck load of them.
Lots of incidents a little at a time that amount to more total damage are not worthy of your outrage, unless it serves your purpose.
100,000 gallons from a pipeline spill serves your purpose. 10,000,000 gallons due to truck and train accidents over the course of a year does not.

>500 Chicago residents murdered in a year, doesn't serve your purposes. 20 kids in Newtown does. A girl who performed for the President's inauguration serves his agenda. A baby murdered in his stroller doesn't.

 

[chikenwing]

Obviously "how we get it" involves construction and maintenance.

Given that 100% of these "accidents" are the result of cut-corner construction and/or cut-corner maintenance, how should these "accidents" be punished?

100 % ??? not true and you know it. If fraud has been committed then yes they should be prosecuted.

To recap: 100% of internal pipeline "accidents" are DIRECTLY CONNECTED to either cut-price construction or cut-price maintenance. There are zero exceptions to that absolute fact. A fact rarely connected to fraud against the public although frequently connected to theft and fraud against stockholders, an entirely different crime that is almost impossible to prove UNTIL AN ACCIDENT OCCURS.

Instead of making up shit you are clueless about and that I have thousands of miles of pipeline experience with, why not answer the question?

I did ,I clearly stated that if fraud was committed then they should be prosecuted, READ

and no 100% is not true and you can't prove it. Age is a factor in many spills and leaks,also sabotage and theft attempts,but if you have thousands of miles of experience you would know that.

 

[depotoo]

more than 750,000 barrels of oil move through just the Alaska pipeline PER DAY, yet you are wanting to make a mountain out of a molehill for the few spills that actually happen. How many more barrels are moved through the continental US each day?

Sure, every spill is bad, but their frequency is minute compared to what moves through the pipelines each and every day.