Taliban Still Denies 9/11 Involvement, Says Was “Excuse” for War on 20th Anniversary

[struth]

Informants, CIA Agents, along with cell phones, but that doesn't mean we track everything and / or know everything. Again, when we took down UBL we found a treasure trove of data giving us the identities and locations of several cells, information we did not have before despite all of that.

If you / the OP are trying to make the argument that the Taliban,who gave safe haven to Al Qaeda and ISIS prior to 9/11, were / are innocent choir boys/ poppy-growing camel salesmen who were falsely accused and attacked 20 years ago you're full of shit.

The Taliban beheaded an American. They surrounded the airport as we were trying to leave. They set up checkpoints, blocked Americans trying to make it to the airport, beat up Americans. They freed thousands of tge worst, most violent Al Qaeda, ISIS, and Taliban terrorists. They seized control of Jabul after Biden refused to take and secure it. They allowed those terrorists to kill 13 Americans and murder/wound over 100 more. They allowed tge terrorists to shoot at planes coming in and leaving Kabul and to attack the airport.

Yeah, they're not terrorists.

In case you could not tell, that was some SERIOUS sarcasm...

ISiS is a JV team, Saddam keep the peace, the Taliban are our friends and can be trusted…dems have a soft spot for terrorist it seems and tyrants it seems

 

[surada]

ISiS is a JV team, Saddam keep the peace, the Taliban are our friends and can be trusted…dems have a soft spot for terrorist it seems and tyrants it seems

Obama called ISIS JV to put them down as a stupid minority. Have you ever heard of the Dual Containment Policy.. It worked for 20 years to keep Iran out of the catbird seat. Taliban stopped the rapes, carjackings, kidnappings and opium production in a lawless, broken Afghanistan after the US pulled out.

You have a very shallow understanding of events.

 

[struth]

Obama called ISIS JV to put them down as a stupid minority. Have you ever heard of the Dual Containment Policy.. It worked for 20 years to keep Iran out of the catbird seat. Taliban stopped the rapes, carjackings, kidnappings and opium production in a lawless, broken Afghanistan after the US pulled out.

You have a very shallow understanding of events.

hahaa yeah he was joking more like he was clueless

Iran was funding acts of terror even with saddam so nope

there were rapes and kidnaps in Taliban Afghan…lots of rapes in fact

And the US wasn’t in Afghan to pull out prior to the Taliban

try again

 

[surada]

hahaa yeah he was joking more like he was clueless

Iran was funding acts of terror even with saddam so nope

there were rapes and kidnaps in Taliban Afghan…lots of rapes in fact

And the US wasn’t in Afghan to pull out prior to the Taliban

try again

The Taliban war orphans didn't organize until 1994 and the State Department thought they were the saving grace for Afghanistan.

The US state department thought the Taliban would settle down into an Islamic Republic.

The US fought the Soviets in Afghanistan by proxy supplying arms to the Warlords and Al Qaeda.. and recruiting Arabs to fight from Yemen.

 

[struth]

The Taliban war orphans didn't organize until 1994 and the State Department thought they were the saving grace for Afghanistan.

The US state department thought the Taliban would settle down into an Islamic Republic.

The US fought the Soviets in Afghanistan by proxy supplying arms to the Warlords and Al Qaeda.. and recruiting Arabs to fight from Yemen.

cool…they were wrong obviously

yes the US helped arm folks fighting the leftist invaders

not AQ, it didn’t exist then. Some of those folks later went on to join it though

but we didn’t leave the country. We were merely aiding in funding folks fighting off the socialist invaders

frankly what we have seen in Afghan is a giant failure of socialist policies

 

[surada]

cool…they were wrong obviously

yes the US helped arm folks fighting the leftist invaders

not AQ, it didn’t exist then. Some of those folks later went on to join it though

but we didn’t leave the country. We were merely aiding in funding folks fighting off the socialist invaders

frankly what we have seen in Afghan is a giant failure of socialist policies

Yes, Afghanistan is a failure.

AQ was OBL's base. He went to Afghanistan in 1979 to build roads and fight the Soviets.

 

[Rigby5]

noting you quoted makes war iillegal

iver the UN approved of it

The whole point of the UN Charter was to make war illegal except under one of 2 conditions:

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They pointed out that the UN charter prohibits the use of force by one state against another, with only two explicit exceptions: when the security council has approved the use of force (it hadn’t) or when state has a legitimate claim to self-defence (the consensus was that Israel didn’t).
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Making war illegal changed the world. But it’s becoming too easy to break the law

The long read: As the rules prohibiting the use of force are crumbling, we risk returning to a world where might is right and war is legal

www.theguardian.com

And no, the UN never approved of either the US invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, and instead was quite critical of both.
It is just that the UN could not stop us since we could veto any resolution against us.

 

[surada]

The whole point of the UN Charter was to make war illegal except under one of 2 conditions:

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They pointed out that the UN charter prohibits the use of force by one state against another, with only two explicit exceptions: when the security council has approved the use of force (it hadn’t) or when state has a legitimate claim to self-defence (the consensus was that Israel didn’t).
...}

Making war illegal changed the world. But it’s becoming too easy to break the law

The long read: As the rules prohibiting the use of force are crumbling, we risk returning to a world where might is right and war is legal

www.theguardian.com

And no, the UN never approved of either the US invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, and instead was quite critical of both.
It is just that the UN could not stop us since we could veto any resolution against us.

struth

Then of course Bush passed the Bomb the Hague Act just before he invaded Iraq.

 

[Rigby5]

cool…they were wrong obviously

yes the US helped arm folks fighting the leftist invaders

not AQ, it didn’t exist then. Some of those folks later went on to join it though

but we didn’t leave the country. We were merely aiding in funding folks fighting off the socialist invaders

frankly what we have seen in Afghan is a giant failure of socialist policies

Wrong.
Al Qaeda existed since 1979 when the CIA organized the Arab foreign legion wing of the Mujahedeen.
That is what al Qaeda originated as.
Bin Laden did not create or start al Qaeda, the CIA did.
Bin Laden was too young to have started it, and all he did was later take it over.
But MOST of what al Qaeda did was a legal front.
The terrorist attacks bin Laden planned and carried out were done in secret.
The Taliban for example, never knew about bin Laden's secret terrorist attacks.
They has nothing to do with Afghanistan.

And YES we did leave Afghanistan.
After the Soviets left, around 1989, we totally abandoned Afghanistan.
We had nothing to do with Afghanistan then until after 9/11, and we started funding the Northern Alliance to illegally attack the Taliban.
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On October 7, 2001, a U.S.-led coalition begins attacks on Taliban-controlled Afghanistan with an intense bombing campaign by American and British forces.
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U.S.-led attack on Afghanistan begins

On October 7, 2001, a U.S.-led coalition begins attacks on Taliban-controlled Afghanistan with an intense bombing campaign by American and British forces.

www.history.com

Our failure in Afghanistan was Bush illegally attacking innocents, like the Taliban.

 

[Rigby5]

The Taliban beheaded an American. They surrounded the airport as we were trying to leave.

Who did the Taliban behead?

Surrounding the airport was the only way to protect the airport from all the people rightfully angry with Americans for murdering innocent Afghans for decades.

 

[Rigby5]

ISiS is a JV team, Saddam keep the peace, the Taliban are our friends and can be trusted…dems have a soft spot for terrorist it seems and tyrants it seems

Saddam did keep the peace and did exactly what we told him to do.
He fought with Iran when we wanted him to.
He asked for permission from US ambassador Glasspie before attacking Kuwait.
He offered to extradite anyone the US wanted.

The Taliban were our allies and friends except after we illegally attacked them.

The US likely created ISIS, since ISIS was totally comprised of Iraqi Sunni we let out of prison all at the exact same time.
They had not money, weapons, or vehicles of their own when released, so someone gave them all these things.
Who else but the US or Mossad?

 

[surada]

Saddam did keep the peace and did exactly what we told him to do.
He fought with Iran when we wanted him to.
He asked for permission from US ambassador Glasspie before attacking Kuwait.
He offered to extradite anyone the US wanted.

The Taliban were our allies and friends except after we illegally attacked them.

The US likely created ISIS, since ISIS was totally comprised of Iraqi Sunni we let out of prison all at the exact same time.
They had not money, weapons, or vehicles of their own when released, so someone gave them all these things.
Who else but the US or Mossad?

Yep. ISIS was born in Camp Brucca prison, Iraq in 2004.. It was a finishing school for Jihadis. I don't think we deliberately created ISIS.. It was just more unintended consequences of our invasion of Iraq.

 

[Rigby5]

struth

Then of course Bush passed the Bomb the Hague Act just before he invaded Iraq.

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In 1998 the Europeans came up with the Rome Statute that looked to create a world court to try people that their own countries couldn’t or wouldn’t prosecute. However, they took on authority that basically overrode a nation’s own sovereignty, making the ICC supreme over national laws and courts. Because of this and other reasons, the United States has never signed the treaty enabling the Rome Statute. In fact, the United States has informed the ICC that any attempt to enforce itself on American Citizens will be met with whatever response is deemed necessary.

A bill was passed by both houses of congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush in 2002 called the American Service-Members’ Protection Act. It has since been nicknamed the “Bomb the Hague Act” since the language of the law states that the President is to use “all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court“.

Basically, if Interpol were to arrest American servicemen for what the ICC deemed crimes, the President of the United States would have the authority to send in the 1st Marine division to free them. (This is where the term “Bomb the Hague Act” came from) To date, ASPA has never been invoked since it hasn’t been needed. Then came the election of President Trump.

Trump activates the “Bomb the Hague Act” against the ICC

Good day all. The International Criminal Court, the ICC, came into being as the Globalist Eurtotrash’s answer to what should replace the Nuremberg war crimes court that tried all the Nazis after Wo…

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[Rigby5]

Yep. ISIS was born in Camp Brucca prison, Iraq in 2004.. It was a finishing school for Jihadis. I don't think we deliberately created ISIS.. It was just more unintended consequences of our invasion of Iraq.

ISIS was very convenient for the US.
It made for scary propaganda headlines, as well as an excuse for keeping troops in Iraq, sending troops into Syria, etc.
But yet ISIS could not have been real.
The Sunni Iraqi originating ISIS were the most secular and least Islamic of all.
And ISIS was notorious for not having one bit of Islamic backing, such as any Mullahs, and doing incredibly un-Islamic things, like cremating that captured Jordanian pilot.
Things no Moslem would have done and could only have been done to deliberately try to turn world opinion against Moslems.

 

[surada]

ISIS was very convenient for the US.
It made for scary propaganda headlines, as well as an excuse for keeping troops in Iraq, sending troops into Syria, etc.
But yet ISIS could not have been real.
The Sunni Iraqi originating ISIS were the most secular and least Islamic of all.
And ISIS was notorious for not having one bit of Islamic backing, such as any Mullahs, and doing incredibly un-Islamic things, like cremating that captured Jordanian pilot.
Things no Moslem would have done and could only have been done to deliberately try to turn world opinion against Moslems.

Mullahs are Shia.

 

[struth]

Saddam did keep the peace and did exactly what we told him to do.
He fought with Iran when we wanted him to.
He asked for permission from US ambassador Glasspie before attacking Kuwait.
He offered to extradite anyone the US wanted.

The Taliban were our allies and friends except after we illegally attacked them.

The US likely created ISIS, since ISIS was totally comprised of Iraqi Sunni we let out of prison all at the exact same time.
They had not money, weapons, or vehicles of their own when released, so someone gave them all these things.
Who else but the US or Mossad?

hahaha saddam did not keep the peace, and was not given permission to invade kuwait

we left the taliban alone until they helped attack us

i don’t disagree that the obama xiden admin’s lack policies helped create isis

 

[struth]

Wrong.
Al Qaeda existed since 1979 when the CIA organized the Arab foreign legion wing of the Mujahedeen.
That is what al Qaeda originated as.
Bin Laden did not create or start al Qaeda, the CIA did.
Bin Laden was too young to have started it, and all he did was later take it over.
But MOST of what al Qaeda did was a legal front.
The terrorist attacks bin Laden planned and carried out were done in secret.
The Taliban for example, never knew about bin Laden's secret terrorist attacks.
They has nothing to do with Afghanistan.

And YES we did leave Afghanistan.
After the Soviets left, around 1989, we totally abandoned Afghanistan.
We had nothing to do with Afghanistan then until after 9/11, and we started funding the Northern Alliance to illegally attack the Taliban.
{...
On October 7, 2001, a U.S.-led coalition begins attacks on Taliban-controlled Afghanistan with an intense bombing campaign by American and British forces.
...}

U.S.-led attack on Afghanistan begins

On October 7, 2001, a U.S.-led coalition begins attacks on Taliban-controlled Afghanistan with an intense bombing campaign by American and British forces.

www.history.com

Our failure in Afghanistan was Bush illegally attacking innocents, like the Taliban.

haha wrong aQ didn’t exist until 88

 

[surada]

hahaha saddam did not keep the peace, and was not given permission to invade kuwait

we left the taliban alone until they helped attack us

i don’t disagree that the obama xiden admin’s lack policies helped create isis

Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil and would not forgive the OPEC quota debt from when Saddam was fighting Iran. Kuwait was in the wrong.

Meanwhile, the Saudis had forgiven Saddam's OPEC debt.

You know very little about the Middle East.

Israel wanted Saddam deposed. See Clean Break Strategy.

 

[Rigby5]

hahaha saddam did not keep the peace, and was not given permission to invade kuwait

we left the taliban alone until they helped attack us

i don’t disagree that the obama xiden admin’s lack policies helped create isis

How did Saddam ever do anything but what we told him to do?

Here are the transcripts of US ambassador to Iraq, April Glasspie, giving Saddam permission to invade Iraq.
If you don't like the link, do a search. The transcripts are the same. This was just the first hit.

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A Meeting Between Saddam and U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie​

Excerpts from an article by David Figrut titled: Operation Desert Storm: Outright Disinformation Scheme


On July 25, 1990, eight days before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, a quiet, largely unreported meeting took place between Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie at the Presidential Palace in Baghdad, which has since been destroyed by the war. The transcript of this meeting is as follows:

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

"I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I have lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your other threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?"

Saddam Hussein:

"As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we [the Iraqis] meet [with the Kuwaitis] and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death."

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

"What solutions would be acceptable?"

Saddam Hussein:

"If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (which, in Saddam's view, includes Kuwait) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?"

(Pause, then Ambassador Glaspie speaks carefully)

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

(Saddam smiles.)



THE GREEN LIGHT AND THE LIMOSINE
At a Washington press conference called the next day, State Department spokesperson Margaret Tutweiler was asked by journalists:

"Has the United States sent any type of diplomatic message to the Iraqis about putting 30,000 troops on the border with Kuwait? Has there been any type of protest communicated from the United States government?"

to which she responded:

"I'm entirely unaware of any such protest."

On July 31st, two days before the Iraqi invasion, John Kelly, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern affairs, testified to Congress that the

"United States has no commitment to defend Kuwait and the U.S. has no intention of defending Kuwait if it is attacked by Iraq."

Eight days later, on August 2, 1990, Saddam Hussein's massed troops invaded and occupied Kuwait (ironically, this was done in a method historically similar to the American anexation of Texas). One month later in Baghdad, British journalists obtained the tape and transcript of the Hussein-Glaspie meeting on July 25, 1990. In order to verify this astounding information, they attempted to confront Ms. Glaspie as she was leaving the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

Journalist 1:

"Are the transcripts (holding them up) correct, Madam Ambassador?"

(Ambassador Glaspie does not respond)

Journalist 2:

"You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait), but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the oppose - that America was not associated with Kuwait."

Journalist 1:

"You encouraged this aggression - his invasion. What were you thinking?"

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

"Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take ALL of Kuwait."
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A Meeting Between Saddam and U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie - Radio Islam

www.islam-radio.net

 

[Rigby5]

hahaha saddam did not keep the peace, and was not given permission to invade kuwait

we left the taliban alone until they helped attack us

i don’t disagree that the obama xiden admin’s lack policies helped create isis

How could the Taliban have helped to attack us?
Afghanistan has nothing to do with any of the Saudi attackers.
Nor did the Taliban have anything to gain or any score to settle.