Zone1 Taking Religion Seriously, by Charles Murray

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In Taking Religion Seriously Charles Murray presents reasons for believing that there is a Divine Intelligence behind the Universe. He presents reasons for believing that this Divine Intelligence is the God Christians worship in church every Sunday. He presents reasons for believing in the soul.

In 1927 George Lemaitre proposed the Big Bang Theory of the universe. Lemaitre was a physicist, an astronomer, and a Roman Catholic priest. By the late 1960s the Big Bang Theory was the scholarly consensus.

According to the Big Bang Theory about fourteen and a half billion years ago the universe was a point of infinite density. This expanded, becoming the universe.

If I remember my junior high school mathematics, a point lacks dimensions. If you can believe that the entire universe can fit into one of those things you should have no trouble believing in the virgin birth and the Resurrection of Jesus.

The Big Bang theory claims that if gravity was slightly stronger the stars would burn out in about ten thousand years. If gravity was slightly weaker there would not be enough gravity to hold the stars together.

Murray agrees with John Robinson and other scholars in pointing out that the lack of mention in the New Testament of the Jewish Uprising that took place between A.D. 66 to A.D. 73 indicates that all the New Testament was written before the beginning of the uprising.

Most contemporary Bible scholars believe that the Gospel According to St. Mark was written about A.D. 70 by John Mark, a traveling companion of St. Peter. They believe that the Gospel According to St. Luke and Acts were written by St. Luke, who was a traveling companion of St. Paul. They believe that the author of the Gospel of Matthew as it comes down to us and St. Luke used as sources the Gospel of St. Mark, and a more primitive gospel that is called “Q” Q consists of passages Matthew and Luke share that are not found in Mark.

I have read two restorations of Q. They read like the Analects of Confucious, saying, “Jesus did this,” “Jesus said that,” and so on. Q reads as though it was written by one of Jesus’ disciples, either during the ministry of Jesus, or after the Crucifixion.

The Book of Acts is largely the story of St. Paul. In the four gospels we are often told that Jesus will die on the cross, and He does. There is nothing like this in the Book of Acts. Acts ends with St. Paul experiencing a comfortable house arrest in Rome. The readers have been told that St. Paul has not violated the laws of the Jews or of Rome.

St. Paul is visited by Jews living in Rome. He convinces some that Jesus is the Messiah. Other remain unconvinced. Nevertheless, the conversations are cordial.

Eusebius was born about A.D. 260. In The History of the Church from Christ to Constantine he writes that St. Paul was martyred shortly before the beginning of the Jewish Uprising.

If the Book of Acts was written when St. Paul was alive, that pushes its writing and that of the Gospel of Luke earlier, and Mark and Q earlier still. It means that eyewitnesses to the ministry of Jesue still lived and were consulted.

New Testament scholars agree that most of the epistles attributed to St. Paul were written by him. In several of these epistles St. Paul mentions visits by St. Peter and St. James, who was one of Jesus’ brothers and the first Bishop of Jerusalem.

For evidence of the soul Murray uses near death experiences, Terminal Lucidity, and reincarnation.

In a near death experience the subject’s heart stops beating, and the brain is clinically dead. If the subject is revives, The subject remembers events that the subject could not have experienced with a clinically dead brain. Often the subject will remember passing through a tunnel to meet loved ones who have died. Sometimes the subject will remember out of the body experiences when the subject learned thing the subject could not otherwise know.

Terminal lucidity will happen when a subject with a severe neurological disorder returns temporarily to self awareness.

Some children will remember events from past lives that are later verified.

In Taking Religion Seriously Charles Murray does not prove the Apostles’ Creed or the Nicene Creed. He does indicate that the broad outlines of Christianity are plausible.
 

Taking Religion Seriously,​


I take MY religion seriously ... all the others, not so much ...

JesusBunny.webp
 
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Tell me about it. I just returned from a shopping mall in Northern Virginia, and I thought I had been transported to Saudi Arabia. Women walking around in burkas, many of them gathered in groups at the food court, with an announcement in Arabic reminding everyone it’s time for prayer - and to head to the Muslim prayer room they had installed.

I would estimate that only about 5% of the shoppers were white. (The mall is only five minutes from a major area of illegal aliens, so there are lots of Hispanics too.
 
Tell me about it. I just returned from a shopping mall in Northern Virginia, and I thought I had been transported to Saudi Arabia. Women walking around in burkas, many of them gathered in groups at the food court, with an announcement in Arabic reminding everyone it’s time for prayer - and to head to the Muslim prayer room they had installed.

I would estimate that only about 5% of the shoppers were white. (The mall is only five minutes from a major area of illegal aliens, so there are lots of Hispanics too.
There is a point of no return. Especially when their numbers combine with white liberals. Sadly, Trump is only buying us a few years until the Democrats are a majority again
 
There is a point of no return. Especially when their numbers combine with white liberals. Sadly, Trump is only buying us a few years until the Democrats are a majority again
Yes, we have a short reprieve unless Vance can cinch it for the next 8 years.

Otherwise, all liberal cities will be run by Muslims, and for the benefit of Muslims. We will feel like strangers in our own country.
 
Yes, we have a short reprieve unless Vance can cinch it for the next 8 years.

Otherwise, all liberal cities will be run by Muslims, and for the benefit of Muslims. We will feel like strangers in our own country.

Marjorie Taylor Greene may win it for you.

MSN

 
Yes, we have a short reprieve unless Vance can cinch it for the next 8 years.

Otherwise, all liberal cities will be run by Muslims, and for the benefit of Muslims. We will feel like strangers in our own country.

wakeup ...

Donald Trump welcomes Saudi Arabia's crown prince to White House | BBC News


558 lives aboard - the ship of fools ...
 
I don’t click on MSDNC.
Why not? I like to examine different points of view, make up my own mind, and express my opinions without fear of legal, economic, and social sanctions. Once I established a profile on StormFront. I was soon banned for pointing out that one of Hitlers criticisms of German Jews in Mein Kampf was factually incorrect. I knew what I was talking about, having read Mein Kampf.

I can defend my opinions without resorting to the insults, name calling, and the obscene words frequently directed against me, as well as the threats of violence I occasionally receive.

I am not ideological. I vote Democrat, but I agree with the GOP on the issues of crime, race, and immigration. I am a Christian who admires Jews, respects Judaism, and loves Israel.

I try to express my opinions in ways that are courteous, fact based, and rational. :cool::)
 
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Why not? I like to examine different points of view, make up my own mind, and express my opinions without fear of legal, economic, and social sanctions. Once I established a profile on StormFront. I was soon banned for pointing out that one of Hitlers criticisms of German Jews in Mein Kampf was factually incorrect. I knew what I was talking about, having read Mein Kampf.

I can defend my opinions without resorting to the insults, name calling, and the obscene words frequently directed against me, as well as the threats of violence I occasionally receive.

I am not ideological. I vote Democrat, but I agree with the GOP on the issues of crime, race, and immigration. I am a Christian who admires Jews, respects Judaism, and loves Israel.

I try to express my opinions in ways that are courteous, fact based, and rational. :cool::)
Yes, I agree you are courteous.

As far as MSNBC, I have clicked on enough of their articles to know they are a biased servant of the Demcrat Party and thus do not waste my time with them anymore.
 
In Taking Religion Seriously Charles Murray presents reasons for believing that there is a Divine Intelligence behind the Universe. He presents reasons for believing that this Divine Intelligence is the God Christians worship in church every Sunday. He presents reasons for believing in the soul.

In 1927 George Lemaitre proposed the Big Bang Theory of the universe. Lemaitre was a physicist, an astronomer, and a Roman Catholic priest. By the late 1960s the Big Bang Theory was the scholarly consensus.

According to the Big Bang Theory about fourteen and a half billion years ago the universe was a point of infinite density. This expanded, becoming the universe.

If I remember my junior high school mathematics, a point lacks dimensions. If you can believe that the entire universe can fit into one of those things you should have no trouble believing in the virgin birth and the Resurrection of Jesus.

The Big Bang theory claims that if gravity was slightly stronger the stars would burn out in about ten thousand years. If gravity was slightly weaker there would not be enough gravity to hold the stars together.

Murray agrees with John Robinson and other scholars in pointing out that the lack of mention in the New Testament of the Jewish Uprising that took place between A.D. 66 to A.D. 73 indicates that all the New Testament was written before the beginning of the uprising.

Most contemporary Bible scholars believe that the Gospel According to St. Mark was written about A.D. 70 by John Mark, a traveling companion of St. Peter. They believe that the Gospel According to St. Luke and Acts were written by St. Luke, who was a traveling companion of St. Paul. They believe that the author of the Gospel of Matthew as it comes down to us and St. Luke used as sources the Gospel of St. Mark, and a more primitive gospel that is called “Q” Q consists of passages Matthew and Luke share that are not found in Mark.

I have read two restorations of Q. They read like the Analects of Confucious, saying, “Jesus did this,” “Jesus said that,” and so on. Q reads as though it was written by one of Jesus’ disciples, either during the ministry of Jesus, or after the Crucifixion.

The Book of Acts is largely the story of St. Paul. In the four gospels we are often told that Jesus will die on the cross, and He does. There is nothing like this in the Book of Acts. Acts ends with St. Paul experiencing a comfortable house arrest in Rome. The readers have been told that St. Paul has not violated the laws of the Jews or of Rome.

St. Paul is visited by Jews living in Rome. He convinces some that Jesus is the Messiah. Other remain unconvinced. Nevertheless, the conversations are cordial.

Eusebius was born about A.D. 260. In The History of the Church from Christ to Constantine he writes that St. Paul was martyred shortly before the beginning of the Jewish Uprising.

If the Book of Acts was written when St. Paul was alive, that pushes its writing and that of the Gospel of Luke earlier, and Mark and Q earlier still. It means that eyewitnesses to the ministry of Jesue still lived and were consulted.

New Testament scholars agree that most of the epistles attributed to St. Paul were written by him. In several of these epistles St. Paul mentions visits by St. Peter and St. James, who was one of Jesus’ brothers and the first Bishop of Jerusalem.

For evidence of the soul Murray uses near death experiences, Terminal Lucidity, and reincarnation.

In a near death experience the subject’s heart stops beating, and the brain is clinically dead. If the subject is revives, The subject remembers events that the subject could not have experienced with a clinically dead brain. Often the subject will remember passing through a tunnel to meet loved ones who have died. Sometimes the subject will remember out of the body experiences when the subject learned thing the subject could not otherwise know.

Terminal lucidity will happen when a subject with a severe neurological disorder returns temporarily to self awareness.

Some children will remember events from past lives that are later verified.

In Taking Religion Seriously Charles Murray does not prove the Apostles’ Creed or the Nicene Creed. He does indicate that the broad outlines of Christianity are plausible.

An Atheist had a near death experience in 1982 and was shown that there is far more to the universe than scientists have imagined. Chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" describe this same idea of The Cyclic Model rather brilliantly. We are indeed in the middle of a grand plan for the universe.


[Mellen Benedict[

6. The Void​

At this point of my NDE, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.

I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.



 
- the other two desert religions have the same commandments as your madeup ones you don't bend over for them as well.
Hundreds of religions share the same moral tenets found in the commandments. Even non-religious people understand this. It is intrinsic to civilized society.
 
Hundreds of religions share the same moral tenets found in the commandments. Even non-religious people understand this. It is intrinsic to civilized society.

you deceivingly claim through the liar moses they are from the heavens - used by all three desert religions to persecute and victimize the innocent throughout history.

were there moral tenets they would be removed from all three desert religions otherwise they remain forgeries and those bibles deceitful and fallacious religions.
 
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