Sweet Victory For Earth Is The Destruction Of Religion.

[emilynghiem]

The factual evidence proving that the foundation of every religion is based upon lies is clearly demonstrated within the following video. I gradually get more and more fired up in the video as I reveal information that will blow everyone on this planet away as thousands of years are compounded into a nutshell of 23 minutes. so break out your popcorn, you are going to love this one, with a passion one way or many others.

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David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps.Be good, be strong!

BTW David Jeffrey Spetch
1. The Constitutional laws were originally written with Black Slaves counting as 3/5 persons and not equal humans or citizens.
Are you going to throw out ALL Constitutional laws and govt
because these were originally based on laws that had biases and false conditions, too?

2. Science and medicine has carried misconceptions such as
* faulty information that the brontosaurus was a separate dinosaur from the apatosaurus
Are you going to THROW OUT all studies and research as lies?
Or are you going to CORRECT the errors and keep the rest that is helpful knowledge to build upon?

* doctors thinking it was safe to perform one surgery after another without washing hands and disinfecting afterwards
Later, the doctor who first theorized about "invisible" germs causing infection was ostracized
until the existence of microbes and bacteria was proven by microscopes invented later.

Are you going to throw out all science and medicine as lies?
Or just correct the bad practices and perfect the good ones?

Do you see my point, David?

A. Why do you forgive political and govt laws that are not perfect either?
Many systems are based on things like
* enslaving children
* giving women lower status than men
Governments get corrupted and people abuse the authority to commit injustice, crimes, even mass genocide in
the name of the law.

Are you going to throw out ALL laws ALL government because these are abused?
Or do you support the people CORRECTING the problems with bad govt?

Why don't you support people CORRECTING the problems with religious abuses?

B. our knowledge of science was built on a LOT of trial and error.
MANY false theories were held and had to be corrected later.
We're still arguing over many areas and don't agree which is the corrupted bad science
(like disagreements on Global Warming, on Creation and Evolution, has the Gulf really been cleaned up after the BP oil spill or is there ongoing damage to the environment and wildlife, etc.)

If we THINK some other group is LYING and ABUSING "junk science"
to push their BS story on us,
do we THROW OUT SCIENCE as trash?

Or do we USE science to try to CORRECT the abuses of it?

Do you get my point David?

Why do you trust govt and science to correct the problems,
but with religions, you want to throw them in the trash.

What have you got against religions
when politics and govts are just as corrupted by abuses, if not worse.

Don't the most dangerous forms of abuse involve
Political warfare. Why aren't you targeting that?

The common factor in Jihadist/terrorist attacks, the Jewish Holocaust,
the cruel genocides among the Chinese, Japanese, Cambodian, Indonesian massacres
involve POLITICAL abuses of power.

Why are you targeting religion except it is an easier target perhaps?
Attacking politics would implicate too many people,
but with religion you can safely blame "some other group that you're not in."

Is that way you are safely focusing on that instead of political abuses and oppression?

 

[Taz]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

 

[westwall]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

There is no evidence to support the existence OR NON-EXISTENCE of God. Do you understand that there is no evidence either way? That's why it is called "faith". And as a scientist I realize that my "belief" in the Big Bang Theory is likewise not based on anything other than the writings of men, men who make mistakes, thus it too is based on "faith".

 

[emilynghiem]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

A better approach I've found is studying the process of Spiritual Healing.
The people I know that came to see this power of forgiveness and healing is real, natural effective and safe/saves lives
ALL had it demonstrated to them so they could see for themselves.

* Dr. Phillip Goldfedder Healing Is Yours
* Dr. Francis MacNutt Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries
* Dr. Scott Peck (deceased)
"Glimpses of the Devil" describes what changed his mind
when he first found out the process was real.

All these people started practicing healing after they found out how it worked.
That is the best way I know to DEMONSTRATE the process in the Bible
and why the Authority of Christ is invoked to forgive cure and heal the internal causes of ills of all kinds
(physical, mental, social ills, criminal illness, even healing relations and whole families by forgiveness)

as more research is pursued and this knowledge and process is established
as common knowledge, it won't be so mystified. it will be accepted as natural science.
the problem is people have politicized religion and science, so people don't trust each other's sources.
With the proper medical research, studies and development, these barriers can be overcome
and just explain the natural process and connection between forgiveness and healing the mind body and relations.

 

[Taz]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

There is no evidence to support the existence OR NON-EXISTENCE of God. Do you understand that there is no evidence either way? That's why it is called "faith". And as a scientist I realize that my "belief" in the Big Bang Theory is likewise not based on anything other than the writings of men, men who make mistakes, thus it too is based on "faith".

No, the theory of the BB is based on observable and verifiable data. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way, so you're right on that.

 

[Taz]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

A better approach I've found is studying the process of Spiritual Healing.
The people I know that came to see this power of forgiveness and healing is real, natural effective and safe/saves lives
ALL had it demonstrated to them so they could see for themselves.

* Dr. Phillip Goldfedder Healing Is Yours
* Dr. Francis MacNutt Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries
* Dr. Scott Peck (deceased)
"Glimpses of the Devil" describes what changed his mind
when he first found out the process was real.

All these people started practicing healing after they found out how it worked.
That is the best way I know to DEMONSTRATE the process in the Bible
and why the Authority of Christ is invoked to forgive cure and heal the internal causes of ills of all kinds
(physical, mental, social ills, criminal illness, even healing relations and whole families by forgiveness)

as more research is pursued and this knowledge and process is established
as common knowledge, it won't be so mystified. it will be accepted as natural science.
the problem is people have politicized religion and science, so people don't trust each other's sources.
With the proper medical research, studies and development, these barriers can be overcome
and just explain the natural process and connection between forgiveness and healing the mind body and relations.

HOT AiR ALERT!!!!!!

 

[Muslim75]

I speak as a Muslim.

Religion is the means to build back our relationship with the Creator who created us and loves us. By religion, I mean authentic Islam and no other religion, because only one religion can ultimately be true.

Authentic Islam is the means to bring us back to our relationship with God Almighty. As such it is the means to the uplifting of mankind, purifying it of depravation and low morality.

 

[emilynghiem]

* Dr. Phillip Goldfedder Healing Is Yours
* Dr. Francis MacNutt Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries
* Dr. Scott Peck (deceased)
"Glimpses of the Devil" describes what changed his mind
when he first found out the process was real.

All these people started practicing healing after they found out how it worked.
That is the best way I know to DEMONSTRATE the process in the Bible
and why the Authority of Christ is invoked to forgive cure and heal the internal causes of ills of all kinds
(physical, mental, social ills, criminal illness, even healing relations and whole families by forgiveness)

as more research is pursued and this knowledge and process is established
as common knowledge, it won't be so mystified. it will be accepted as natural science.
the problem is people have politicized religion and science, so people don't trust each other's sources.
With the proper medical research, studies and development, these barriers can be overcome
and just explain the natural process and connection between forgiveness and healing the mind body and relations.

HOT AiR ALERT!!!!!!

^ Hi Taz ^
I posted resources that you are WELCOME to check

* Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt have over 40 years of experience
helping people to heal of cancer, schizophrenia, rheumatoid arthritis, addictions, abuse.

Over the course of 30-40 years of healing outreach,
so many people whose lives were saved, and minds returned to normal health --

Are you going to tell these people it's a bunch of hot air?

You can call Dr. Goldfedder through his website or my friend Olivia can tell you experiences she has with healing over 35 years also.

There are no complaints of fraud or abuse by people like Olivia and MacNutt who help for FREE to help as many people as they can.

BTW Taz maybe you missed it and might want to join in:

I offered to set up a 10 million dollar bet online, to raise money for charity
such as a history Vet Housing Project, that Spiritual Healing can be proven
by science to work naturally and effectively based on FORGIVENESS therapy as the key.

So if you really believe this is hooey
are you willing to sign on to raise
10 million for charity if you are wrong?

I already committed to raising 10 million for charity,
so I wanted to add this on as a fundraising project to publicize the good causes.

To keep it fair and on the up and up
that's why I suggest that the money raised on either side of the bet
go to charities so everyone wins and there is no ill will, only positive agreement
to answer the question: If Spiritual Healing is real and natural
why not prove/demonstrate it with medical research studies that can be replicated
and developed.

TAZ: are you so sure this is fake that you would bet 10 million
and agree to help raise that much if you are wrong?

I am so sure it is real, I am willing to bet 10 million on it.
My friend Olivia has been doing this volunteer healing therapy for years
and even saved one of my friends from self-destructive demonic rages
that were removed by the forgiveness prayer and healing process.
He is an atheist and he will admit that the healing prayer changed that.

What a "coincidence" that the healing process she uses matches the
steps written up in Dr. MacNutt's book on HEALING when he first discovered and studied this healing process, too!

Makes sense to me, that if it is natural, then all forms of recovery therapy use it in different forms.

TAZ if you are so sure,
I'm willing to bet you 10 million
so I can get help to raise the money to save historic houses for Vets to own and manage.
it isn't for me.
i just can't raise the money myself,
so I have to make a bet I can win and get help to raise that money!

 

[westwall]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

There is no evidence to support the existence OR NON-EXISTENCE of God. Do you understand that there is no evidence either way? That's why it is called "faith". And as a scientist I realize that my "belief" in the Big Bang Theory is likewise not based on anything other than the writings of men, men who make mistakes, thus it too is based on "faith".

No, the theory of the BB is based on observable and verifiable data. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way, so you're right on that.

I too am an agnostic. And no, there is no OBSERVABLE evidence to support the BBT. There are mathematical constructs, that are themselves derived from a imperfect understanding of the quantum mechanics from which they are derived.

That's where that "faith" comes in.

 

[Taz]

I speak as a Muslim.

Religion is the means to build back our relationship with the Creator who created us and loves us. By religion, I mean authentic Islam and no other religion, because only one religion can ultimately be true.

Authentic Islam is the means to bring us back to our relationship with God Almighty. As such it is the means to the uplifting of mankind, purifying it of depravation and low morality.

Low morality is when you marry a 9 year old. Remind you of anyone?

 

[emilynghiem]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

There is no evidence to support the existence OR NON-EXISTENCE of God. Do you understand that there is no evidence either way? That's why it is called "faith". And as a scientist I realize that my "belief" in the Big Bang Theory is likewise not based on anything other than the writings of men, men who make mistakes, thus it too is based on "faith".

No, the theory of the BB is based on observable and verifiable data. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way, so you're right on that.

I too am an agnostic. And no, there is no OBSERVABLE evidence to support the BBT. There are mathematical constructs, that are themselves derived from a imperfect understanding of the quantum mechanics from which thy are derived.

That's where that "faith" comes in.

Dear Westwall: thanks for reinforcing the centralizing position that God can neither be proven nor disproven.

I am willing to redirect efforts toward medical research and scientific proof of "Spiritual Healing"
based on invoking the Authority of Christ to remove "unforgiveness" and to open the mind and body to natural healing
is a consistent predictable and replicable process, that is effective therapy for healing physical, mental and even criminal illness, as well as healing families and relations with others.

As I stated again to TAZ I am willing to put together an online bet
of 10 million to donate to charities that teams on both sides select by agreement between them.

So I propose that people who DON'T think this can be proven by science
raise and bet their half, or 5 million, and the other side raise 5 million.
And whoever wins or loses, the money goes to the charities selected by the winning side.

The charitable cause I would like to support is buying out
the historic land in Freedmen's Town to create a Vet-owned and managed
campus and business district for developing a sustainable model for housing, work and education,
health care and self-government.

Freedmen s Town Historic Churches and Vet Housing

There was another person One Percenter posting on another thread,
claiming to be a successful entrepreneur with a model for sustainable business
so I thought of asking to form a team, between Democrats, Vets and Republicans
to set a better example of creating solutions with resources otherwise wasted on political and religious conflict.

What do you think of a 10 million dollar bet
to buy land to create sustainable housing health care and campus programs for Vets?

 

[emilynghiem]

Low morality is when you marry a 9 year old. Remind you of anyone?

American Govt and laws once protected the rights of owners to treat slaves as 3/5 persons.
Should we throw out the Constitution and govt, and the natural laws of due process it is based on,
because of this injustice in our history?

 

[AVG-JOE]

God could show Himself again. If God is, mankind could certainly come to know Him by way of a burning bush that gives advice on CNN.

Yes, He could if that were His objective. But that would totally eliminate any act of faith on our part. Our faith is not blind for there are many signs and historical moments that lend heavy credence to His existence. However, as time goes by the nature of man considers the past less and less and demands his own personal audience. Otherwise, he will do what he pleases and construct his own ideas of God or the supernatural. As Chesterton said, paganism is the trying to reach God through the imagination only.


As far as what I'm suggesting... with regard to God, my humble opinion is that if God is, He/She/It is way bigger than all of the ancient stories, let alone any one or two of them.

I personally believe the history of the Jewish nation is quite factual and quite extraordinary. The Lord says in His word that He has chosen the Jewish nation through which He would manifest Himself to the world. And, no less, from which a Savior would arise. It is the Lords way and I do not deign to offer Him a better plan.


With regard to religion and the various stories we have to chose from, I believe that anything is possible, and it is my duty to pick the most plausible stories of origins based on current education levels, and to always keep an open mind.

Yes and no. Yes, you must choose and you have been given much to choose from. But, no, one should not always keep an open mind to any idea floated. Because that prohibits the believer from advancing what he knows and serving his fellow man accordingly. We act upon that which we know. We do not waste years trying to convince the obstinate that God exists. We must do far more with God’s existence than to just try to tell someone he does. We must serve.


With regard to mankind knowing God, the historic evidence tells me that God is not interested in Monkey politics or organized worship. And, if He can be known, She can only be known intimately and individually, as one of the clearer voices in my earth-Monkey head when I'm alone.

Well blessed are those so chosen to receive an interior voice or be witness to a true a miracle. For most of us, we must have some faith and trust the multiple historical accounts that are of great reason and where that faith has demonstrated its virtues through charity and sacrifice. Christianity has surely done that. We must also believe the sincerity of countless eye witnesses to events and to miracles. We do measure them in various ways, but at some point it should become more clear which god is God. I submit the Judeo-Christian G-d has manifested in so many ways over all others it is no longer in doubt. IMO

Origins and death are not the only unprovable questions that drive Monkeys in search of God.

"God" explains all of the unexplainable. To those who believe.

There is a simple reason to the simple fact that humans simply don't need God nearly as much any more... curious Monkeys keep finding answers, explaining the unexplainable. To those who believe.

There was a time on The Timeline when pretty much 100% of the humans on earth BELIEVED that every earthquake meant that some Deity was taking a personal interest in them and their clan. Today, a large percentage of us know better.

The reason why education reduces the dependency on the Divine but can never end it is the forever unanswerable question of death. Even if Monkey technology beats death one day, evidence of what lay beyond that door will remain elusive.

The history of the Jewish nation is both extraordinary and also quite factual. It's also quite possible for it to be both interesting and factual and still be complete bullshit with regards to the stories of miracles and the God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran revealing Himself to The World through direct, supernatural intervention.

"How big was that fish again, Earl?"
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I believe that The Torah should be celebrated as one of the oldest written documents on our Timeline, but I don't believe that God took any more interest in an ancient Arab named Abraham and his family than She does in me and my family. In other words, we all meet God on our own terms. Bury The God of Abraham with Abraham and dig in to The God of (insert your name here).

The above is strictly my humble opinion based on the evidence I've gathered from 50 something years of quality t.v. watching and a willingness to read and travel. It's also my humble opinion that The New Testament should be taken with a grain of salt because it was written so many years after the events by people with a political agenda.

On the ancient stories that describe salvation for the gentiles through Faith in Jesus Christ we will have to agree to disagree. For me, removing my viewpoint from the confines of those ancient tomes was like removing sunglasses at the movies. I couldn't go back, but I believe in possibilities. And if God is The God of Abraham as described in The Torah and The New Testament, I know that there is a special place in Hell awaiting my sorry ass and I know I'll be entirely to blame for my accommodations. I just don't find that outcome very plausible, considering the lucky life I lead right now. If God is, She seems to like me in spite of me.

Possibilities!

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[AVG-JOE]

American Govt and laws once protected the rights of owners to treat slaves as 3/5 persons.
Should we throw out the Constitution and govt, and the natural laws of due process it is based on,
because of this injustice in our history?

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No.

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[The Irish Ram]

Not one person here can tell me the future of Israel.
However, the author the Bible can see the end from the beginning. And He made a point of telling us what is about to happen to Israel, so you would know who He is.
Tell me humans, that have the ability to write things down, what is this peace treaty thing that God sees in Israel's future? The one that gives away Israeli real estate. And list the countries you think may invade Israel in spite of a peace treaty. Or is that just crazy Bible talk, conjured up thousands of years ago by some guy....
In 2014, when you hear "peace treaty" what comes to your mind?

 

[Taz]

Not one person here can tell me the future of Israel.
However, the author the Bible can see the end from the beginning. And He made a point of telling us what is about to happen to Israel, so you would know who He is.
Tell me humans, that have the ability to write things down, what is this peace treaty thing that God sees in Israel's future? The one that gives away Israeli real estate. And list the countries you think may invade Israel in spite of a peace treaty. Or is that just crazy Bible talk, conjured up thousands of years ago by some guy....
In 2014, when you hear "peace treaty" what comes to your mind?

That you're nuts?

 

[Avatar4321]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

yet you don't know the bibles definition of pure religion and still have no clue what I'm talking about because you don't know the bible.

you choose to believe or you don't. Stop pretending you have no choice in the matter. Choose this day whom you will serve but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

btw that's a scripture too. Do you know who said that without looking?

 

[emilynghiem]

Not one person here can tell me the future of Israel.
However, the author the Bible can see the end from the beginning. And He made a point of telling us what is about to happen to Israel, so you would know who He is.
Tell me humans, that have the ability to write things down, what is this peace treaty thing that God sees in Israel's future? The one that gives away Israeli real estate. And list the countries you think may invade Israel in spite of a peace treaty. Or is that just crazy Bible talk, conjured up thousands of years ago by some guy....
In 2014, when you hear "peace treaty" what comes to your mind?

Israel, and also the bride of Christ that ALL people represent as the Church or body,
are meant to be restored in perfect peace and harmony.

So all the people are meant to embrace the law as one with God through Christ.
Whatever happens with Israel happens for humanity and vice versa.

 

[emilynghiem]

No one said otherwise. You would just recognize pure religion if you read the bible.

I will never understand why people will fight learning things

I've read the bible, went to Sunday School when I was little, have seen all the bible movies... Nowhere do I see anything or read anything that proves without a doubt the existence of the god depicted. It's seriously not because I don't WANT to believe, I just can't believe until it's proven to me.

yet you don't know the bibles definition of pure religion and still have no clue what I'm talking about because you don't know the bible.

you choose to believe or you don't. Stop pretending you have no choice in the matter. Choose this day whom you will serve but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

btw that's a scripture too. Do you know who said that without looking?

Dear Avatar4321: I don't think it is entirely TAZ fault for not understanding the Bible.
I never understood the way it was taught traditionally.

What may help people like TAZ to understand is to
look into spiritual healing, and understand that process which CAN be proven.

As people understand that forgiveness restores and transforms the mind, even the relations between people,
then they can see why this is a higher process going on,
and that is what the Bible symbolizes collectively.

If TAZ and also Hollie BreezeWood and others have never seen Spiritual Healing as real
of course they don't get any of this

It all looks like hooey to them.

BreezeWood even dismissed prayer as not real and not living and chasing after nothing.
No understanding of the process!

Avatar I don't think it is entirely these people's fault.

I'd rather organize resources to study and develop the effective methods of spiritual healing outreach
that has impacted and saved lives, and let that help explain what Christianity has been teaching all these years!

 

[AVG-JOE]

God only knows the power of the mind, soul and heart given to the Monkeys.

Just one more reason to free Her from the box that the ancient stories confine Him to.

If God is, can the ancient stories really be the last word on such a Deity?