Store owner found not guilty of murder in 2023 killing of Black teen in South Carolina

[RetiredGySgt]

He didnt have possession of it

after he was shot he dropped it

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

He didnt have possession of it. Much like the Pretti case. There was no imminent threat

Yes, because it dropped out of his hand after being shot by Chow.

 

[Hafar1014]

after he was shot he dropped it

• from their Columbia, S.C. gas station. [1]
• The Shooting: The teenager tripped, and after Chow's son claimed the teen had a gun, Chow shot Carmack-Belton in the back. Investigators later recovered a gun near the teen, though it was never pointed at the store owners. Authorities determined the teen did not actually steal anything. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Video does not show the gun pointed at anyone

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

The real injustice is

He [Belton] dropped the gun and ran away out of the store. …. The kid was unarmed and running away.

Belton had the gun when he ran from the store. If was found next to his dead body.

Geez, if you are going to comment, then at least get the basic facts straight.

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

Video does not show the gun pointed at anyone

There was no camera 100+ yards from the store.

 

[Hafar1014]

There was no camera 100+ yards from the store.

Yes there is a video in the store

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

Yes there is a video in the store

But not 100+ yards from the store.

 

[Hafar1014]

The real injustice is

Belton had the gun when he ran from the store. If was found next to his dead body.

Geez, if you are going to comment, then at least get the basic facts straight.

The gun was not in his possession fact

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

I have a permit for concealed carry. According to the law.
If he was shot at that time(pointing the gun at him) in the store then Castle Doctrine applies and its justified.
He dropped the gun and ran away out of the store. Now stand your ground is the law. The threat must be imminent and there must be no means of escape. The kid was unarmed and running away. There was no imminent threat and Chow had means of escape just stand still.
The jury nullified the crime. He can still be sued and he will lose. He will be broke for the rest of his life.

Chow should sue the state because he was denied bail. He sat in jail for 37 months. That’s three years. There’s your injustice.

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

The gun was not in his possession fact

Nothing was. He was dead.

 

[Hafar1014]

Nothing was. He was dead.

You cant be this dumb

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

Hafar1014 said Belton left that gun in the store. That is false.

Hafar1014 said the case was in Michigan when it was in South Carolina.

Hafar1014 is posting blatant errors, but he won’t admit being wrong. Mind boggling.

 

[Hafar1014]

Hafar1014 said Belton left that gun in the store.

Hafar1014 said the case was in Michigan when it was in South Carolina.

Hafar1014 is posting blatant errors, but he won’t admit being wrong. Mind boggling.

I posted the law in both states and they are exactly the same. Your point is irrelevant.
Since you call yourself a journalist how come you dont know the law.
The Core Criteria
To legally claim self-defense with deadly force in Michigan, all of the following conditions must be met:

• Proportionality: You must be responding to a threat of death, serious injury, or sexual assault.
• Imminence: The threat must be happening right now or about to happen immediately. You cannot use deadly force in retaliation or for threats of future harm.
• Reasonableness: An ordinary person in the same situation would also believe that deadly force was necessary to survive the encounter.
• Not Engaged in a Crime: You cannot be engaged in the commission of a crime at the time you use deadly force. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

"Stand Your Ground" & "Castle Doctrine"
Michigan is a "Stand Your Ground" state, meaning that if you are not committing a crime and are in a place you have a legal right to be, you generally have no duty to retreat before using deadly force. [1, 2]

• You do not have to back down, even in public spaces.
• The Castle Doctrine provides that you are entirely justified in using deadly force against an unlawful intruder in your own home or vehicle, provided you are legally permitted to be there and the intruder is not legally permitted there. [1, 2, 3, 4]

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In South Carolina, deadly force is legally justified only when you reasonably believe it is immediately necessary to prevent death, great bodily injury, or the commission of a violent crime. The state recognizes both "Stand Your Ground" protections and the "Castle Doctrine". [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The Core Requirements for Self-Defense
To successfully claim self-defense in South Carolina, you must meet four conditions: [1]

• No Fault: You must not have provoked or initiated the confrontation.
• Reasonable Fear: You must have a reasonable, actual fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm.
• Reasonable Person: An ordinary, reasonable person in those same circumstances would have feared for their life or safety.
• Proportionality: You cannot use force that is highly disproportionate to the threat you are facing (e.g., using deadly force for a simple shove). [1, 2, 3]

Stand Your Ground
Under South Carolina law (the Protection of Persons and Property Act), you have no duty to retreat if you are attacked in a place where you have a legal right to be. You are legally permitted to stand your ground and use force—including deadly force—as long as you meet the four self-defense requirements mentioned above. [1, 2, 3]

The Castle Doctrine
Under the Protection of Persons and Property Act, your dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or place of business is considered your "castle". You are presumed to have a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury if you use deadly force against someone who is in the process of, or has already, unlawfully and forcefully entered your dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or is attempting to remove someone from it against their will. [1, 2]

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

. The case is fairly cut and dried in my book.

So I looked up the length of the trial. It was about one week, and decided in a mere eight hours. I am not surprised. That was an easy call.

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

I posted the law in both states and they are exactly the same. Your point is irrelevant.
Since you call yourself a journalist how come you dont know the law.
The Core Criteria
To legally claim self-defense with deadly force in Michigan, all of the following conditions must be met:

• Proportionality: You must be responding to a threat of death, serious injury, or sexual assault.
• Imminence: The threat must be happening right now or about to happen immediately. You cannot use deadly force in retaliation or for threats of future harm.
• Reasonableness: An ordinary person in the same situation would also believe that deadly force was necessary to survive the encounter.
• Not Engaged in a Crime: You cannot be engaged in the commission of a crime at the time you use deadly force. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

"Stand Your Ground" & "Castle Doctrine"
Michigan is a "Stand Your Ground" state, meaning that if you are not committing a crime and are in a place you have a legal right to be, you generally have no duty to retreat before using deadly force. [1, 2]

• You do not have to back down, even in public spaces.
• The Castle Doctrine provides that you are entirely justified in using deadly force against an unlawful intruder in your own home or vehicle, provided you are legally permitted to be there and the intruder is not legally permitted there. [1, 2, 3, 4]

============================================================================
In South Carolina, deadly force is legally justified only when you reasonably believe it is immediately necessary to prevent death, great bodily injury, or the commission of a violent crime. The state recognizes both "Stand Your Ground" protections and the "Castle Doctrine". [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The Core Requirements for Self-Defense
To successfully claim self-defense in South Carolina, you must meet four conditions: [1]

• No Fault: You must not have provoked or initiated the confrontation.
• Reasonable Fear: You must have a reasonable, actual fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm.
• Reasonable Person: An ordinary, reasonable person in those same circumstances would have feared for their life or safety.
• Proportionality: You cannot use force that is highly disproportionate to the threat you are facing (e.g., using deadly force for a simple shove). [1, 2, 3]

Stand Your Ground
Under South Carolina law (the Protection of Persons and Property Act), you have no duty to retreat if you are attacked in a place where you have a legal right to be. You are legally permitted to stand your ground and use force—including deadly force—as long as you meet the four self-defense requirements mentioned above. [1, 2, 3]

The Castle Doctrine
Under the Protection of Persons and Property Act, your dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or place of business is considered your "castle". You are presumed to have a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury if you use deadly force against someone who is in the process of, or has already, unlawfully and forcefully entered your dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or is attempting to remove someone from it against their will. [1, 2]

LOL. Go back to sleep.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

there is no evidence that the store owner showed his weapon before the kid pointed the firearm at his son. So that is a red harring.

Please explain how you know this kid pointed a gun at his son. Why isn't it on the store surveillance?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

So I looked up the length of the trial. It was about one week, and decided in a mere eight hours. I am not surprised. That was an easy call.

Yep, white jury, black kid.

 

[LeftofLeft]

He didnt have a gun when he was shot and was running away. His family is suing and Chow will lose. Laws do have meaning you cant just ignore them

“He didn’t have a gun when he was shot and running away.” At a certain point, he had a gun. Which Law in the South Carolina statute are you referring that applies to this case?

As for “Laws do have meaning and you can’t just ignore them”, you might want to apply that to Federal Immigration Law.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

The VERDICT.

Idiot.

 

[Superbadbrutha]