Stephen Miller's deportation machine is failing -- and he's furious

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

MAGA and the American voter disagrees. Before it was certain we would lose. Big Business, Wallstreet could work with that, but the American working man, just got FUCKED.

Today, Trump, MAGA, is at least TRYING to win.

YOu can never win, if you give up.

Yes, the working man is getting and will continue to get it up the backside, while the richies keep getting richer.

 

[Correll]

Yes, the working man is getting and will continue to get it up the backside, while the richies keep getting richer.

If we reduce the labor pool, and force nearshoring, it will for the employers to raise wages.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

If we reduce the labor pool, and force nearshoring, it will for the employers to raise wages.

Along with prices. Yes, it will raise wages, I don't see how it works otherwise.

 

[Correll]

Along with prices. Yes, it will raise wages, I don't see how it works otherwise.

Wages are only a part of the final price.

Wages can thus rise, more and faster than prices.


We can improve the lives of the working poor, the working class, teh middle class, AS WHOLES.

Hundreds of millions of people, can see significant improvement in quality of life.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, wages will not automatically rise more quickly.

That was not the case in the late seventies through the early nineties.

That's why I said all this was uncertain.

We are fine here, and it sounds like you are there. But the lower classes suffered like hell in 2008.

 

[sealybobo]

Yes, the status quo model works for the rich.

It fucks the middle class and the working class.

You have agreed with me on that.


I don't want to have more millionaires, i want to have a more comfortable working and middle classes.


There are a lot more of them, then there are millionaires.

I don't want millions more either. But right now we're having a birth rate problem. So I'd make a pathway to citizenship easy for people already here. That would solve a lot of problems right now.

I would be pro union. So those once illegals who are now legal, are also free to form unions and ask for more money. Will Trump be behind them? Nope.

You need to join a union. No wonder you are under paid. Or why Uneducated blue collar white Americans are living in economic despair. For centuries you looked down on black people and asked why such high crime? Why crack. Today, it's you guys killing yourselves with fentynol.

Turns out people are the same despite the color. Take away their economic opportunity and they lose their shit.

Your problem is you blame brown people not the owner of your company.

 

[Correll]

No, wages will not automatically rise more quickly.

That was not the case in the late seventies through the early nineties.

That's why I said all this was uncertain.

We are fine here, and it sounds like you are there. But the lower classes suffered like hell in 2008.

During the 70s though 90s, we had effectively unlimited immigration and massive outsourcing.

So, of course we would not expect to see wages rise, especially not "quickly".


I agree that during that time, the "lower classes" suffered.

That is why I want to change the policies that led to that suffering so that instead of being fucked by policy their interests can be SERVED by policy.


For some reason, this idea has become...hateful to the left.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I don't think either side thinks like that.

 

[Correll]

I don't want millions more either. But right now we're having a birth rate problem. So I'd make a pathway to citizenship easy for people already here. That would solve a lot of problems right now.

It would solve some problems. For some people. For employers. It would mean they don't have to raise wages for example.

Why do you want that?

I would be pro union. So those once illegals who are now legal, are also free to form unions and ask for more money. Will Trump be behind them? Nope.

THey won't be able to, because there will be more illegals flowing in. ALSO, even legal immigrants undermine worker leverage.

You know that. Stop playing dumb.

You need to join a union. No wonder you are under paid.

Your attempt to make this about me, is a. you being an asshole. and b irrelevant to the discussion and c incorrect on all counts.

Or why Uneducated blue collar white Americans are living in economic despair.

Because people like you insist on policy that fucks them.

For centuries you looked down on black people and asked why such high crime? Why crack. Today, it's you guys killing yourselves with fentynol.

So, things are shitty for working class white guys and it is killing some of us.

So... why do you want more of that?

Turns out people are the same despite the color. Take away their economic opportunity and they lose their shit.

Except, that we were always happy to try to improve economic opportunity for blacks and you are fighting attempts to improve economic opportunities for "uneducated blue collar workers".


So... why are you doing that?

Your problem is you blame brown people not the owner of your company.

When you oversimply the problem and then mischaracterize my position, that is just you being an asshole.

 

[USAF 2023]

‘The country, we were told, is awash with millions upon millions of undocumented criminals and straight-up crazy people, permitted by Democrats and their open borders to roam the land and terrorize the law-abiding white people they were meant to replace.
[…]
In reality, which still holds some influence in our aggressively-online world, there are about 11 million undocumented people in the U.S., total. And despite all-caps propaganda to the contrary, they as a class “have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens,” according to a 2020 study; they even commit fewer crimes, on average, than fully legal immigrants — those who came here “the right way.”
[…]
That’s why Stephen Miller is so mad: an administration that wants nothing more than to parade millions of brown bodies onto military aircraft and out of the country — a MAGA team that promised its voters nothing less than “mass deportations now” — is having a tough time actually finding the hardened criminals the last folks supposedly let in. In April, the Trump administration deported more than 17,200 people; that’s up 29% from a year but it’s far below the pace necessary to meet the stated goal of one million deportees a year (and per NBC News, more than half of those now in ICE detention have no criminal record whatsoever).’

Stephen Miller’s deportation machine is failing — and he’s furious

The Trump advisor is angry that the promise of "mass deportation now" remains largely unfulfilled.

www.salon.com

Trump’s immigration agenda is motivated by racism, bigotry, and hate – intended to lawlessly remove immigrants of color whether they’ve committed crimes or not.

If anyone is racist and bigoted it’s you. Why is it OK for some to “ jump the line” and stay while others have to wait? Why is it we never hear about the Victims of those Immigrants who are either dead or severely handicapped, there are a lot more than 11 million illegal immigrants in this country. Let’s talk about the one that was recently shot paralyzed he’s on a ventilator

 

[Correll]

I don't think either side thinks like that.

Lots of people think like that. Indeed the left has been like a fucking hive mind on that, since Trump hit the scene.

Seelybobo is the most...coherent and consistent champion of the pov, but is it the standard from the left.

I believe you have said similar shit. yourself.

 

[sealybobo]

It would solve some problems. For some people. For employers. It would mean they don't have to raise wages for example.

Why do you want that?




THey won't be able to, because there will be more illegals flowing in. ALSO, even legal immigrants undermine worker leverage.

You know that. Stop playing dumb.




Your attempt to make this about me, is a. you being an asshole. and b irrelevant to the discussion and c incorrect on all counts.





Because people like you insist on policy that fucks them.





So, things are shitty for working class white guys and it is killing some of us.

So... why do you want more of that?





Except, that we were always happy to try to improve economic opportunity for blacks and you are fighting attempts to improve economic opportunities for "uneducated blue collar workers".


So... why are you doing that?






When you oversimply the problem and then mischaracterize my position, that is just you being an asshole.

I give up. Good luck. Why do I want the status quo? Because it works well for me and everyone else richer than me. We need to use you for the cheap labor.

Paying you more will raise the cost of things. Look at Ford and GM cars. Paying those union workers so much makes the car unaffordable. So I don't want this for my fruits and veggies.

This reminds me of in the 2000's people tried to tell me that union uneducated blue collar dummies made as much as I did and I had a college education. When their pay went up, mine didn't. So today I don't want low wage workers to make more because that's going to cost me and that puts them closer to what I make. We need the cheap labor. Americans or Illegals. We need the cheap labor.

 

[Correll]

I give up. Good luck. Why do I want the status quo? Because it works well for me and everyone else richer than me. We need to use you for the cheap labor.

Paying you more will raise the cost of things. Look at Ford and GM cars. Paying those union workers so much makes the car unaffordable. So I don't want this for my fruits and veggies.

This reminds me of in the 2000's people tried to tell me that union uneducated blue collar dummies made as much as I did and I had a college education. When their pay went up, mine didn't. So today I don't want low wage workers to make more because that's going to cost me and that puts them closer to what I make. We need the cheap labor. Americans or Illegals. We need the cheap labor.

No, we don't. We need better wages for the working poor and the middle class.


Your lack of concern for them, is you being heartless.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

11mm is the correct number.

Anyone saying more is engaged in deceit or is a fool.

Don't be either, USAF 2023.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Lots of people think like that. Indeed the left has been like a fucking hive mind on that, since Trump hit the scene.

Seelybobo is the most...coherent and consistent champion of the pov, but is it the standard from the left.

I believe you have said similar shit. yourself.

I believe you have said nonsense from your side as well.

I am talking about either side, you are talking about individuals from other side.

And yes MAGA is a hive mind. Oh gosh, yes, it is. So are the progs.

 

[Correll]

I believe you have said nonsense from your side as well.

I am talking about either side, you are talking about individuals from other side.

And yes MAGA is a hive mind. Oh gosh, yes, it is. So are the progs.

Your refusal to be honest on the issue is noted.

Do you have anything relevant to say on teh topic?

 

[Captain Caveman]

‘The country, we were told, is awash with millions upon millions of undocumented criminals and straight-up crazy people, permitted by Democrats and their open borders to roam the land and terrorize the law-abiding white people they were meant to replace.
[…]
In reality, which still holds some influence in our aggressively-online world, there are about 11 million undocumented people in the U.S., total. And despite all-caps propaganda to the contrary, they as a class “have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens,” according to a 2020 study; they even commit fewer crimes, on average, than fully legal immigrants — those who came here “the right way.”
[…]
That’s why Stephen Miller is so mad: an administration that wants nothing more than to parade millions of brown bodies onto military aircraft and out of the country — a MAGA team that promised its voters nothing less than “mass deportations now” — is having a tough time actually finding the hardened criminals the last folks supposedly let in. In April, the Trump administration deported more than 17,200 people; that’s up 29% from a year but it’s far below the pace necessary to meet the stated goal of one million deportees a year (and per NBC News, more than half of those now in ICE detention have no criminal record whatsoever).’

Stephen Miller’s deportation machine is failing — and he’s furious

The Trump advisor is angry that the promise of "mass deportation now" remains largely unfulfilled.

www.salon.com

Trump’s immigration agenda is motivated by racism, bigotry, and hate – intended to lawlessly remove immigrants of color whether they’ve committed crimes or not.

Why do you love illegals??

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Your refusal to be honest on the issue is noted.

Do you have anything relevant to say on the topic?

And because I do not agree you start the ad homs. Try being polite.

What I have said is relevant. We are in some disagreement, yes.

I do disagree with the OP. Deportations at this rate will send almost 1.5 million home. If the admin can get up to 30 thousand a month, that will hold. 60 thousand a month will end up send 25% of the 12 million home.

If that is not a victory for MAGA, then I don't know what is.

 

[Correll]

And because I do not agree you start the ad homs. Try being polite.

What I have said is relevant. We are in some disagreement, yes.

I do disagree with the OP. Deportations at this rate will send almost 1.5 million home. If the admin can get up to 30 thousand a month, that will hold. 60 thousand a month will end up send 25% of the 12 million home.

If that is not a victory for MAGA, then I don't know what is.

And for America.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And for America.

I am sure you think so.

We have had several chances to fix the guard rails, and both times they were blown up.

Both parties have to come together in Congress to fix it.