Status of COS

[Votto]

What is COS you ask? Why it is the Convention of States attempting to use their Constitutional power within states to amend the Constitution for the first time to put an end to the Federal cabal.

Progress Map: States that have passed the Convention of States Article V application

Once two-thirds (34) of the states pass our resolution, the convention will be called.

conventionofstates.com

We have 19 states, we need only 34.

South Carolina just joined.

Yay.

Won't you support this in your own state?

 

[sparky]

~S~

 

[CowboyTed]

What is COS you ask? Why it is the Convention of States attempting to use their Constitutional power within states to amend the Constitution for the first time to put an end to the Federal cabal.

Progress Map: States that have passed the Convention of States Article V application

Once two-thirds (34) of the states pass our resolution, the convention will be called.

conventionofstates.com

We have 19 states, we need only 34.

South Carolina just joined.

Yay.

Won't you support this in your own state?

What do you think this is going to solve?

Say you have a congressman term limit... It will turn into a party machine selecting a guy whos turn it is... The machine will run everything, generally candidates will be pushed and supported by the backroom of the parties..

And if you finally get a good one, the machine would be pulling the strings...

What would yield a far more responsive government would be a combination of :

• Multi-seat Districts
• Preference Voting

Normally this has districts of 3-5 seats. Multi-Seat takes away the winner takes all approach, thus meaning that hyping the base is less important as appealing to wider audience... It also allow parties to fight for final seats as well.. It also introduces smaller parties and independents.

Preference voting (very popular worldwide) allows you to select any candidate you want without loosing your vote... This means you can vote for the candidate you actually want not vote against the one that least like.. This encourages more positive political engagement with candidates gaining more by providing solutions rather than negative politics..


Those solutions are very popular worldwide and even US & UN has used those solutions when rebuilding a countries democracies.. Term limits are pretty much a red herring, a good time waster which will not yield the results promised..

 

[sparky]

What do you think this is going to solve?

proper representation.....

~S~

 

[kyzr]

What is COS you ask? Why it is the Convention of States attempting to use their Constitutional power within states to amend the Constitution for the first time to put an end to the Federal cabal.
We have 19 states, we need only 34.
South Carolina just joined.
Yay.
Won't you support this in your own state?

Thank you for posting and publicizing the COS movement!
The good news is that it "only" takes (34) states to call the Convention, that looks probable.
The bad news is that it will take (38) states to pass a new Constitutional Amendment.
These are the new Amendments that I would like to see passed:

• Election Reform: only US citizens on verified voter rolls can vote in any election, ID required, signature matching required, mail-in by excuse only, only votes received by the official poll closing times can be counted.
• Balanced Budget required, w/o using SS funds, unless in time of declared war
• To ensure that apportionment of Representatives be set by counting only US citizens
• To make the (60 vote) filibuster in the Senate for new legislation a part of the Constitution
• To allow the President a "line-item veto" to zero out wasteful spending.
• Social Security and Medicare must be made whole, i.e. "fixed" and only those who contributed can get benefits
• Set term limits in the House and Senate, 8-years for House members, and 12-years for the Senate.
• Clarify the 14th Amendment that only a US citizen can make a US citizen. (otherwise we get "anchor babies from Russia, China, and Mexico.)
• The US Supreme court shall have not more than 9 justices.
• Immigration reform, no longer admit for fleeing oppression, only merit-based immigration as approved.

 

[Votto]

What do you think this is going to solve?

Say you have a congressman term limit... It will turn into a party machine selecting a guy whos turn it is... The machine will run everything, generally candidates will be pushed and supported by the backroom of the parties..

And if you finally get a good one, the machine would be pulling the strings...

What would yield a far more responsive government would be a combination of :

• Multi-seat Districts
• Preference Voting

Normally this has districts of 3-5 seats. Multi-Seat takes away the winner takes all approach, thus meaning that hyping the base is less important as appealing to wider audience... It also allow parties to fight for final seats as well.. It also introduces smaller parties and independents.

Preference voting (very popular worldwide) allows you to select any candidate you want without loosing your vote... This means you can vote for the candidate you actually want not vote against the one that least like.. This encourages more positive political engagement with candidates gaining more by providing solutions rather than negative politics..


Those solutions are very popular worldwide and even US & UN has used those solutions when rebuilding a countries democracies.. Term limits are pretty much a red herring, a good time waster which will not yield the results promised..

Term limits and some sort of balanced budget amendment I think should be the first two amendments.

Why?

Because the vast majority of Americans support them, and because the only way this will happen is for the COS movement to make it a reality.

M&A Poll: Voters Overwhelmingly Support Term Limits for Congress | McLaughlin & Associates

Public Opinion, Survey Research, Strategic Consulting, Media Buying for Corporate Clients and Political Campaigns.

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82% of Americans agree to term limits. If you have an issue with it, convince them, otherwise, you are just here to silence their vote by opposing the COS movement.

Also, 62% of Americans agree to some sort of constraint on spending so we don't have run away inflation like we do now.

Poll: Large majority support balanced budget amendment to Constitution

According to a recent Mason-Dixon poll obtained exclusively by The Daily Caller, a large majority of the public backs an amendment to the Constitution requiring a balanced budget, a reform some lawmakers say is on the table in the debt ceiling debate.

news.yahoo.com

Do you want the people to govern, or the elites who know better than they?

Hmm?

Right now what we have is a circus of cartoon characters that everyone hates, dividing the country every day. We have career politicians like Biden who could not find his way out of a Wal Mart because he is infirm, but it was his turn to be President after all.

Everyone sees the system is broken but you.

Why is that?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Thank you for posting and publicizing the COS movement!
The good news is that it "only" takes (34) states to call the Convention, that looks probable.
The bad news is that it will take (38) states to pass a new Constitutional Amendment.
These are the new Amendments that I would like to see passed:

• Election Reform: only US citizens on verified voter rolls can vote in any election, ID required, signature matching required, mail-in by excuse only, only votes received by the official poll closing times can be counted.
• Balanced Budget required, w/o using SS funds, unless in time of declared war
• To ensure that apportionment of Representatives be set by counting only US citizens
• To make the (60 vote) filibuster in the Senate for new legislation a part of the Constitution
• To allow the President a "line-item veto" to zero out wasteful spending.
• Social Security and Medicare must be made whole, i.e. "fixed" and only those who contributed can get benefits
• Set term limits in the House and Senate, 8-years for House members, and 12-years for the Senate.
• Clarify the 14th Amendment that only a US citizen can make a US citizen. (otherwise we get "anchor babies from Russia, China, and Mexico.)
• The US Supreme court shall have not more than 9 justices.
• Immigration reform, no longer admit for fleeing oppression, only merit-based immigration as approved.

• Election Reform: only US citizens on verified voter rolls can vote in any election, ID required, signature matching required, mail-in by excuse only, only votes received by the official poll closing times can be counted.

Great one! Have your state do this as the federal government does not do elections.

• Balanced Budget required, w/o using SS funds, unless in time of declared war

Ridiculous! Impossible to do or enforce.

• To ensure that apportionment of Representatives be set by counting only US citizens

Excellent proposal!

• To make the (60 vote) filibuster in the Senate for new legislation a part of the Constitution

Nope. You don't put Senate rules in the Constitution.

• To allow the President a "line-item veto" to zero out wasteful spending.

Wonderful idea, but totally unworkable as when the President is of the opposing party as Congress and basically zeros out the budget of any program they do not like, requiring thousands of votes to override the veto.

• Social Security and Medicare must be made whole, i.e. "fixed" and only those who contributed can get benefits

Sounds great but what about people who not get SS or Medicare, but a retiremnt plan instead?

• Set term limits in the House and Senate, 8-years for House members, and 12-years for the Senate.

We already have term limits. They are called elections. it's every two years for the House and six years for the Senate. I don't want my Congressman turned out after just 8 years. He is in his 13th year currently and he remains incredible popular because he does a job job!

• Clarify the 14th Amendment that only a US citizen can make a US citizen. (otherwise we get "anchor babies from Russia, China, and Mexico.)

No problem with this one at all!

• The US Supreme court shall have not more than 9 justices.

A better wording would be to set the number at 9 seats. The way you have it, it could be one! I could go with that.

• Immigration reform, no longer admit for fleeing oppression, only merit-based immigration as approved.

You do realize that you are forever changing the history of our country as a haven for the oppressed. The problem is that immigration judges seem to think everyone is oppressed because they are poor and uneducated, not politically oppressed. Also, "merit" is a completely nebulous term.

A few of those might pass, but how many that we dislike could be added by liberals and RINOs?

 

[kyzr]

• Election Reform: only US citizens on verified voter rolls can vote in any election, ID required, signature matching required, mail-in by excuse only, only votes received by the official poll closing times can be counted.

Great one! Have your state do this as the federal government does not do elections.

• Balanced Budget required, w/o using SS funds, unless in time of declared war

Ridiculous! Impossible to do or enforce.

• To ensure that apportionment of Representatives be set by counting only US citizens

Excellent proposal!

• To make the (60 vote) filibuster in the Senate for new legislation a part of the Constitution

Nope. You don't put Senate rules in the Constitution.

• To allow the President a "line-item veto" to zero out wasteful spending.

Wonderful idea, but totally unworkable as when the President is of the opposing party as Congress and basically zeros out the budget of any program they do not like, requiring thousands of votes to override the veto.

• Social Security and Medicare must be made whole, i.e. "fixed" and only those who contributed can get benefits

Sounds great but what about people who not get SS or Medicare, but a retirement plan instead?

• Set term limits in the House and Senate, 8-years for House members, and 12-years for the Senate.

We already have term limits. They are called elections. it's every two years for the House and six years for the Senate. I don't want my Congressman turned out after just 8 years. He is in his 13th year currently and he remains incredible popular because he does a job job!

• Clarify the 14th Amendment that only a US citizen can make a US citizen. (otherwise we get "anchor babies from Russia, China, and Mexico.)

No problem with this one at all!

• The US Supreme court shall have not more than 9 justices.

A better wording would be to set the number at 9 seats. The way you have it, it could be one! I could go with that.

• Immigration reform, no longer admit for fleeing oppression, only merit-based immigration as approved.

You do realize that you are forever changing the history of our country as a haven for the oppressed. The problem is that immigration judges seem to think everyone is oppressed because they are poor and uneducated, not politically oppressed. Also, "merit" is a completely nebulous term.

A few of those might pass, but how many that we dislike could be added by liberals and RINOs?

Thanks for your commentary on my proposed Constitutional Amendments, I'm glad you approved a few.
Here are my replies in red font for the ones you don't like...

• Balanced Budget required, w/o using SS funds, unless in time of declared war

Ridiculous! Impossible to do or enforce. Many states have balanced budget requirements, how many more $trillions can the the US Debt take before the dollar collapses? We're at $30T and climbing fast.

• To make the (60 vote) filibuster in the Senate for new legislation a part of the Constitution

Nope. You don't put Senate rules in the Constitution. The senate filibuster is a cattle chute of sorts for radical legislative change. That (60) vote threshold keeps both parties from turning the US into a socialist or fascist state.

• To allow the President a "line-item veto" to zero out wasteful spending.

Wonderful idea, but totally unworkable as when the President is of the opposing party as Congress and basically zeros out the budget of any program they do not like, requiring thousands of votes to override the veto. Ronald Reagan wanted the "line item veto" to eliminate wasteful spending. (google it)

• Social Security and Medicare must be made whole, i.e. "fixed" and only those who contributed can get benefits

Sounds great but what about people who not get SS or Medicare, but a retirement plan instead? My issue is that Medicare will be bankrupt in 2026, and SS won't pay full benefits after 2034. People with private plans are not affected.

• Set term limits in the House and Senate, 8-years for House members, and 12-years for the Senate.

We already have term limits. They are called elections, it's every two years for the House and six years for the Senate. I don't want my Congressman turned out after just 8 years. He is in his 13th year currently and he remains incredible popular because he does a good job! Incumbents have a major advantage in elections, and that leads to corruption (look at Nancy's $200,000,000 for her SF park!!), I'm sure there are many good candidates to choose from, we need faster turnaround of people who know what life is like outside the DC bubble.

• Immigration reform, no longer admit for fleeing oppression, only merit-based immigration as approved.

You do realize that you are forever changing the history of our country as a haven for the oppressed. The problem is that immigration judges seem to think everyone is oppressed because they are poor and uneducated, not politically oppressed. Also, "merit" is a completely nebulous term. The US is full, we can't take everyone on the planet who claims to be "oppressed". Way back the US needed to fill out its population, now we only need skilled workers that help our economy grow. Trump proposed this "merit based" immigration policy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Thanks for your commentary on my proposed Constitutional Amendments, I'm glad you approved a few.
Here are my replies in red font for the ones you don't like...

• Balanced Budget required, w/o using SS funds, unless in time of declared war

Ridiculous! Impossible to do or enforce. Many states have balanced budget requirements, how many more $trillions can the the US Debt take before the dollar collapses? We're at $30T and climbing fast.

A balanced budget amendment for our budget is pissing up a rope. the buget and debt are too large to calculate down to a rats ass each year.

• To make the (60 vote) filibuster in the Senate for new legislation a part of the Constitution

Nope. You don't put Senate rules in the Constitution. The senate filibuster is a cattle chute of sorts for radical legislative change. That (60) vote threshold keeps both parties from turning the US into a socialist or fascist state.

Again, you don't put Senate rules in the Constitution. Make it a Senate rule for all legislation. You will never get anything passed or anyone confirmed.

• To allow the President a "line-item veto" to zero out wasteful spending.

Wonderful idea, but totally unworkable as when the President is of the opposing party as Congress and basically zeros out the budget of any program they do not like, requiring thousands of votes to override the veto. Ronald Reagan wanted the "line item veto" to eliminate wasteful spending. (google it)

The budget was much smaller then! Now it is completely unworkable.

• Social Security and Medicare must be made whole, i.e. "fixed" and only those who contributed can get benefits

Sounds great but what about people who not get SS or Medicare, but a retirement plan instead? My issue is that Medicare will be bankrupt in 2026, and SS won't pay full benefits after 2034. People with private plans are not affected.

I said it sounded great. Raise the FICA to cover the shortfall.

• Set term limits in the House and Senate, 8-years for House members, and 12-years for the Senate.

We already have term limits. They are called elections, it's every two years for the House and six years for the Senate. I don't want my Congressman turned out after just 8 years. He is in his 13th year currently and he remains incredible popular because he does a good job! Incumbents have a major advantage in elections, and that leads to corruption (look at Nancy's $200,000,000 for her SF park!!), I'm sure there are many good candidates to choose from, we need faster turnaround of people who know what life is like outside the DC bubble.

So because you don't like Nancy, I can't reelect my Congressman or Senators. Nope! Do not agree in any way shape or form.

• Immigration reform, no longer admit for fleeing oppression, only merit-based immigration as approved.

You do realize that you are forever changing the history of our country as a haven for the oppressed. The problem is that immigration judges seem to think everyone is oppressed because they are poor and uneducated, not politically oppressed. Also, "merit" is a completely nebulous term. The US is full, we can't take everyone on the planet who claims to be "oppressed". Way back the US needed to fill out its population, now we only need skilled workers that help our economy grow. Trump proposed this "merit based" immigration policy.

I'm sorry, but you did not read my post. That also does not go in the Constitution.



My comments follow your comments in red.

 

[sparky]

so what separates this COS from an insurrection???

~S~

 

[kyzr]

so what separates this COS from an insurrection???
~S~

A COS is in the US Constitution, an insurrection is not.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What is COS you ask? Why it is the Convention of States attempting to use their Constitutional power within states to amend the Constitution for the first time to put an end to the Federal cabal.

Progress Map: States that have passed the Convention of States Article V application

Once two-thirds (34) of the states pass our resolution, the convention will be called.

conventionofstates.com

We have 19 states, we need only 34.

South Carolina just joined.

Yay.

Won't you support this in your own state?

Re-Presentation of Elitist Tyranny in a Different Costume

Representativists, who have a fetish about the present Constitution, will be incapable of judging what needs to be changed in it.

 

[jwoodie]

Thank you for posting and publicizing the COS movement!
The good news is that it "only" takes (34) states to call the Convention, that looks probable.
The bad news is that it will take (38) states to pass a new Constitutional Amendment.
These are the new Amendments that I would like to see passed:

• Election Reform: only US citizens on verified voter rolls can vote in any election, ID required, signature matching required, mail-in by excuse only, only votes received by the official poll closing times can be counted.
• Balanced Budget required, w/o using SS funds, unless in time of declared war
• To ensure that apportionment of Representatives be set by counting only US citizens
• To make the (60 vote) filibuster in the Senate for new legislation a part of the Constitution
• To allow the President a "line-item veto" to zero out wasteful spending.
• Social Security and Medicare must be made whole, i.e. "fixed" and only those who contributed can get benefits
• Set term limits in the House and Senate, 8-years for House members, and 12-years for the Senate.
• Clarify the 14th Amendment that only a US citizen can make a US citizen. (otherwise we get "anchor babies from Russia, China, and Mexico.)
• The US Supreme court shall have not more than 9 justices.
• Immigration reform, no longer admit for fleeing oppression, only merit-based immigration as approved.

It is not a good idea to push so many amendment before the COS resolution is passed by the required number of States, since this gives "Democrats" more talking points to oppose it. (Never mind that 3/4 of the States would have to approve each Amendment.)

 

[kyzr]

A balanced budget amendment for our budget is pissing up a rope, the budget and debt are too large to calculate down to a rats ass each year.

Again, you don't put Senate rules in the Constitution. Make it a Senate rule for all legislation. You will never get anything passed or anyone confirmed.

The budget was much smaller then! Now it is completely unworkable

So because you don't like Nancy, I can't reelect my Congressman or Senators. Nope! Do not agree in any way shape or form.

I'm sorry, but you did not read my post. Merit based immigration also does not go in the Constitution.

1. I'm sorry, but we need to Balance the Budget. Guys like Mick Mulvaney can figure it out without unrealistic assumptions like 5% GDP growth. Just cut spending and raise taxes to cover the spending. Its simple fucking math.

2. OK, no senate rules in the Constitution, but if/when one of the parties pass the "nuclear option" and kill the filibuster, the US will have large swings, build the wall, tear the wall down, build the wall, tear the wall down, or $10/gal gas then $3 gas, $10 gas, $3 gas...

3. Originally congressmen has lockers for their stuff, congress was a part-time job. Now Congress is the "let them eat cake" aristocracy. Your guy will retire some day, IMHO that should be after 8-years.

4. Agreed merit based immigration policy should be legislated or by Executive Order. I wanted an Amendment to prevent Open Borders in the future. Open Borders is criminal and I'm not sure of the best way to stop it.

 

[sparky]

A COS is in the US Constitution, an insurrection is not.

I stand corrected , & thx kyzr

So, this would seem perhaps a 10ther deal?

~S~

 

[kyzr]

I stand corrected , & thx kyzr

So, this would seem perhaps a 10ther deal?

~S~

It is a very big deal.
Then again, we'd need 38 states to pass any new amendment.
Not very likely, but it would make "must see TV".

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[Thinker101]

What do you think this is going to solve?

Say you have a congressman term limit... It will turn into a party machine selecting a guy whos turn it is... The machine will run everything, generally candidates will be pushed and supported by the backroom of the parties..

And if you finally get a good one, the machine would be pulling the strings...

What would yield a far more responsive government would be a combination of :

• Multi-seat Districts
• Preference Voting

Normally this has districts of 3-5 seats. Multi-Seat takes away the winner takes all approach, thus meaning that hyping the base is less important as appealing to wider audience... It also allow parties to fight for final seats as well.. It also introduces smaller parties and independents.

Preference voting (very popular worldwide) allows you to select any candidate you want without loosing your vote... This means you can vote for the candidate you actually want not vote against the one that least like.. This encourages more positive political engagement with candidates gaining more by providing solutions rather than negative politics..


Those solutions are very popular worldwide and even US & UN has used those solutions when rebuilding a countries democracies.. Term limits are pretty much a red herring, a good time waster which will not yield the results promised..

Wow, then it would be just like the White House.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

1. I'm sorry, but we need to Balance the Budget. Guys like Mick Mulvaney can figure it out without unrealistic assumptions like 5% GDP growth. Just cut spending and raise taxes to cover the spending. Its simple fucking math.

2. OK, no senate rules in the Constitution, but if/when one of the parties pass the "nuclear option" and kill the filibuster, the US will have large swings, build the wall, tear the wall down, build the wall, tear the wall down, or $10/gal gas then $3 gas, $10 gas, $3 gas...

3. Originally congressmen has lockers for their stuff, congress was a part-time job. Now Congress is the "let them eat cake" aristocracy. Your guy will retire some day, IMHO that should be after 8-years.

4. Agreed merit based immigration policy should be legislated or by Executive Order. I wanted an Amendment to prevent Open Borders in the future. Open Borders is criminal and I'm not sure of the best way to stop it.

1. Raise taxes? Wow! That will be very popular!

2. Life sucks!

3. Why should he be kicked out after 8 years if he is doing the job I like?

4. Uh, immigration is already covered in the Constitution, saying Congress can pass laws regarding it.

Talking to you reminds me of my discussions in my 9th grade American Government class! That is not a slight on you because it is obvious you did not have a teacher as good as I was!

 

[kyzr]

1. Raise taxes? Wow! That will be very popular!
2. Life sucks!
3. Why should he be kicked out after 8 years if he is doing the job I like?
4. Uh, immigration is already covered in the Constitution, saying Congress can pass laws regarding it.
Talking to you reminds me of my discussions in my 9th grade American Government class! That is not a slight on you because it is obvious you did not have a teacher as good as I was!

Thanks for the discussion! I know you are a subject matter expert on the US Constitution.