Stalin's Successful Strategy

[PoliticalChic]

Sorry....you can't change the subject.....you can simply agree that Stalin manipulated Roosevelt, and Roosevelt jumped to follow every wish that Stalin suggested.


OK....except for one: Stalin opposed the 100,000 troops the Allies sent to oppose Rommel...





Back to your attempt to change the issue.

Tell me.....by what metric was Stalin any better than Hitler?
....aside from IQ.

Now, now PC
We all know you got your Masters at Columbia by learning how to cut and paste
But you never learned about multiple choice?

It's easy, you pick one
A. Germany
B. USSR

I was accepted at Nolumbia for graduate school, but decided to go elesewhere. Political Chic always makes me realize what a good decision I made.

The difference is that I went there to study....


They wanted to study you, to see what went wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't know PC

If FDR had a strategy that resulted in 27 million Americans dead, I doubt if many Republicans would be starting threads about how successful it was

 

[SmedlyButler]

The Dieppe disaster early in the war is cited in most analysis. The Germans had easily halted the landing and thrown the British and Canadians "back into the sea". LINK
My own hunch is that Churchill was still haunted by the ghosts of Gallipoli. As Lord of the Admiralty in 1915 he had developed the plan to attack the Turks through the Dardenelles. The failure of the campaign led to over 115,000 British and Allied casualties and the biggest Turkish victory of the war. It also led to Churchill's demotion and time in exile from power. LINK
Both events induced a timidity on the part of the Brits and especially Churchill to assault the formidable defences of the "Atlantic Wall" the Germans had constructed along the French coast. The specter of 10's of thousands of casualties and hope of victory dashed against the perhaps impenetrable Nazi fortress of Northern France paralysed the British Command. They wanted to bypass those defences and take a southern approach through the Mediteranean, much like the Nazis had swept around the Maginot line. The American Command wanted to take the most direct route, across the Channel, which they believed would be the fastest route to victory. And yes it would help relieve the Soviets, who after all were an enemy of the common enemy and who had suffered tremendous casualties on the Eastern Front. LINK

 

[regent]

The Dieppe disaster early in the war is cited in most analysis. The Germans had easily halted the landing and thrown the British and Canadians "back into the sea". LINK
My own hunch is that Churchill was still haunted by the ghosts of Gallipoli. As Lord of the Admiralty in 1915 he had developed the plan to attack the Turks through the Dardenelles. The failure of the campaign led to over 115,000 British and Allied casualties and the biggest Turkish victory of the war. It also led to Churchill's demotion and time in exile from power. LINK
Both events induced a timidity on the part of the Brits and especially Churchill to assault the formidable defences of the "Atlantic Wall" the Germans had constructed along the French coast. The specter of 10's of thousands of casualties and hope of victory dashed against the perhaps impenetrable Nazi fortress of Northern France paralysed the British Command. They wanted to bypass those defences and take a southern approach through the Mediteranean, much like the Nazis had swept around the Maginot line. The American Command wanted to take the most direct route, across the Channel, which they believed would be the fastest route to victory. And yes it would help relieve the Soviets, who after all were an enemy of the common enemy and who had suffered tremendous casualties on the Eastern Front. LINK

WWI destroyed many of Britain's young men and began the destruction of the British empire, and that outcome was ever on Churchill's mind during WWII. One of Churchill's goals was to save the young men of Britain and keep as much of the empire as possible. One of FDR's goals was a world organization to prevent another war, Stalin's goal was to take over much of Europe for what he believed would give her safety.

 

[SmedlyButler]

You remember Ron Radosh? Yes that Ron Radosh you quoted extensively in your take-down of Pete Seeger. I'm wondering why you ignore so completely his contribution to the discussion of whether Harry Hopkins was a Soviet agent or not. Probably because he ripped West's "American Betrayal" to pieces in his Frontpagemag article McCarthy on Steroids You're aware Frontpagemag is not exactly a liberal rag, right? He concludes his damning review with this;

"Conspiratorial theories of history are easy to create once you are prepared to ignore the realities on the ground, or regard those who do take them into account as part of the conspiracy too. This is the path that Diana West has taken in her misconceived and misleading book. Why did the U.S. and Britain not prevent the totalitarian USSR from taking over Eastern Europe after it had defeated the totalitarian Nazis? It had nothing to do with the Rubik’s Cube of diplomatic and military considerations, a calculus that had to take into account the willingness of the American and British publics to continue to sacrifice and their soldiers to die. No, it was a conspiracy so immense, as West’s hero Joe McCarthy might have said, that it allowed Western policy to be dictated by a shadow army of Soviet agents. It is unfortunate that a number of conservatives who should know better have fallen for West’s fictions. It is even more depressing that her book perpetuates the dangerous one dimensional thinking of the Wisconsin Senator and his allies in the John Birch Society which have allowed anti anti-communism to have a field day in our intellectual culture."

Radosh also points out "The identification of Hopkins as Agent 19 is the linchpin of West’s conspiracy case" This assertion was put aside by any serious scholar as conservative authors Hayns and Kiedr say "We did not, in fact, give any more thought to the identity of “19” until we gained access to the Vassiliev notebooks. These notebooks put a “case closed” end to the mystery of “19.” Source no. “19” was Laurence Duggan".- No debate there, an absolute conclusion.

This is not the only article in Frontpagemag that destroys West's credibility.
Was Harry Hopkins a Soviet Spy?also gives the lie to West's claim. The authors state "It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry, and why their conclusions are unreliable".

More to follow-SB

 

[NoNukes]

Now, now PC
We all know you got your Masters at Columbia by learning how to cut and paste
But you never learned about multiple choice?

It's easy, you pick one
A. Germany
B. USSR

I was accepted at Nolumbia for graduate school, but decided to go elesewhere. Political Chic always makes me realize what a good decision I made.

The difference is that I went there to study....


They wanted to study you, to see what went wrong.

If you went there to study, you obviously failed, which is difficult to do in Graduate school.

 

[Camp]

You remember Ron Radosh? Yes that Ron Radosh you quoted extensively in your take-down of Pete Seeger. I'm wondering why you ignore so completely his contribution to the discussion of whether Harry Hopkins was a Soviet agent or not. Probably because he ripped West's "American Betrayal" to pieces in his Frontpagemag article McCarthy on Steroids You're aware Frontpagemag is not exactly a liberal rag, right? He concludes his damning review with this;

"Conspiratorial theories of history are easy to create once you are prepared to ignore the realities on the ground, or regard those who do take them into account as part of the conspiracy too. This is the path that Diana West has taken in her misconceived and misleading book. Why did the U.S. and Britain not prevent the totalitarian USSR from taking over Eastern Europe after it had defeated the totalitarian Nazis? It had nothing to do with the Rubik’s Cube of diplomatic and military considerations, a calculus that had to take into account the willingness of the American and British publics to continue to sacrifice and their soldiers to die. No, it was a conspiracy so immense, as West’s hero Joe McCarthy might have said, that it allowed Western policy to be dictated by a shadow army of Soviet agents. It is unfortunate that a number of conservatives who should know better have fallen for West’s fictions. It is even more depressing that her book perpetuates the dangerous one dimensional thinking of the Wisconsin Senator and his allies in the John Birch Society which have allowed anti anti-communism to have a field day in our intellectual culture."

Radosh also points out "The identification of Hopkins as Agent 19 is the linchpin of West’s conspiracy case" This assertion was put aside by any serious scholar as conservative authors Hayns and Kiedr say "We did not, in fact, give any more thought to the identity of “19” until we gained access to the Vassiliev notebooks. These notebooks put a “case closed” end to the mystery of “19.” Source no. “19” was Laurence Duggan".- No debate there, an absolute conclusion.

This is not the only article in Frontpagemag that destroys West's credibility.
Was Harry Hopkins a Soviet Spy?also gives the lie to West's claim. The authors state "It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry, and why their conclusions are unreliable".

More to follow-SB

Nice debunking.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You remember Ron Radosh? Yes that Ron Radosh you quoted extensively in your take-down of Pete Seeger. I'm wondering why you ignore so completely his contribution to the discussion of whether Harry Hopkins was a Soviet agent or not. Probably because he ripped West's "American Betrayal" to pieces in his Frontpagemag article McCarthy on Steroids You're aware Frontpagemag is not exactly a liberal rag, right? He concludes his damning review with this;

"Conspiratorial theories of history are easy to create once you are prepared to ignore the realities on the ground, or regard those who do take them into account as part of the conspiracy too. This is the path that Diana West has taken in her misconceived and misleading book. Why did the U.S. and Britain not prevent the totalitarian USSR from taking over Eastern Europe after it had defeated the totalitarian Nazis? It had nothing to do with the Rubik’s Cube of diplomatic and military considerations, a calculus that had to take into account the willingness of the American and British publics to continue to sacrifice and their soldiers to die. No, it was a conspiracy so immense, as West’s hero Joe McCarthy might have said, that it allowed Western policy to be dictated by a shadow army of Soviet agents. It is unfortunate that a number of conservatives who should know better have fallen for West’s fictions. It is even more depressing that her book perpetuates the dangerous one dimensional thinking of the Wisconsin Senator and his allies in the John Birch Society which have allowed anti anti-communism to have a field day in our intellectual culture."

Radosh also points out "The identification of Hopkins as Agent 19 is the linchpin of West’s conspiracy case" This assertion was put aside by any serious scholar as conservative authors Hayns and Kiedr say "We did not, in fact, give any more thought to the identity of “19” until we gained access to the Vassiliev notebooks. These notebooks put a “case closed” end to the mystery of “19.” Source no. “19” was Laurence Duggan".- No debate there, an absolute conclusion.

This is not the only article in Frontpagemag that destroys West's credibility.
Was Harry Hopkins a Soviet Spy?also gives the lie to West's claim. The authors state "It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry, and why their conclusions are unreliable".

More to follow-SB

More people in the FDR White House reported to Stalin than to FDR

Get educated

http://www.usmessageboard.com/revie...-of-senator-joe-mccarthy-m-stanton-evans.html

 

[rightwinger]

You remember Ron Radosh? Yes that Ron Radosh you quoted extensively in your take-down of Pete Seeger. I'm wondering why you ignore so completely his contribution to the discussion of whether Harry Hopkins was a Soviet agent or not. Probably because he ripped West's "American Betrayal" to pieces in his Frontpagemag article McCarthy on Steroids You're aware Frontpagemag is not exactly a liberal rag, right? He concludes his damning review with this;

"Conspiratorial theories of history are easy to create once you are prepared to ignore the realities on the ground, or regard those who do take them into account as part of the conspiracy too. This is the path that Diana West has taken in her misconceived and misleading book. Why did the U.S. and Britain not prevent the totalitarian USSR from taking over Eastern Europe after it had defeated the totalitarian Nazis? It had nothing to do with the Rubik’s Cube of diplomatic and military considerations, a calculus that had to take into account the willingness of the American and British publics to continue to sacrifice and their soldiers to die. No, it was a conspiracy so immense, as West’s hero Joe McCarthy might have said, that it allowed Western policy to be dictated by a shadow army of Soviet agents. It is unfortunate that a number of conservatives who should know better have fallen for West’s fictions. It is even more depressing that her book perpetuates the dangerous one dimensional thinking of the Wisconsin Senator and his allies in the John Birch Society which have allowed anti anti-communism to have a field day in our intellectual culture."

Radosh also points out "The identification of Hopkins as Agent 19 is the linchpin of West’s conspiracy case" This assertion was put aside by any serious scholar as conservative authors Hayns and Kiedr say "We did not, in fact, give any more thought to the identity of “19” until we gained access to the Vassiliev notebooks. These notebooks put a “case closed” end to the mystery of “19.” Source no. “19” was Laurence Duggan".- No debate there, an absolute conclusion.

This is not the only article in Frontpagemag that destroys West's credibility.
Was Harry Hopkins a Soviet Spy?also gives the lie to West's claim. The authors state "It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry, and why their conclusions are unreliable".

More to follow-SB

More people in the FDR White House reported to Stalin than to FDR

Get educated

http://www.usmessageboard.com/revie...-of-senator-joe-mccarthy-m-stanton-evans.html

I have a list

 

[Camp]

You remember Ron Radosh? Yes that Ron Radosh you quoted extensively in your take-down of Pete Seeger. I'm wondering why you ignore so completely his contribution to the discussion of whether Harry Hopkins was a Soviet agent or not. Probably because he ripped West's "American Betrayal" to pieces in his Frontpagemag article McCarthy on Steroids You're aware Frontpagemag is not exactly a liberal rag, right? He concludes his damning review with this;

"Conspiratorial theories of history are easy to create once you are prepared to ignore the realities on the ground, or regard those who do take them into account as part of the conspiracy too. This is the path that Diana West has taken in her misconceived and misleading book. Why did the U.S. and Britain not prevent the totalitarian USSR from taking over Eastern Europe after it had defeated the totalitarian Nazis? It had nothing to do with the Rubik’s Cube of diplomatic and military considerations, a calculus that had to take into account the willingness of the American and British publics to continue to sacrifice and their soldiers to die. No, it was a conspiracy so immense, as West’s hero Joe McCarthy might have said, that it allowed Western policy to be dictated by a shadow army of Soviet agents. It is unfortunate that a number of conservatives who should know better have fallen for West’s fictions. It is even more depressing that her book perpetuates the dangerous one dimensional thinking of the Wisconsin Senator and his allies in the John Birch Society which have allowed anti anti-communism to have a field day in our intellectual culture."

Radosh also points out "The identification of Hopkins as Agent 19 is the linchpin of West’s conspiracy case" This assertion was put aside by any serious scholar as conservative authors Hayns and Kiedr say "We did not, in fact, give any more thought to the identity of “19” until we gained access to the Vassiliev notebooks. These notebooks put a “case closed” end to the mystery of “19.” Source no. “19” was Laurence Duggan".- No debate there, an absolute conclusion.

This is not the only article in Frontpagemag that destroys West's credibility.
Was Harry Hopkins a Soviet Spy?also gives the lie to West's claim. The authors state "It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry, and why their conclusions are unreliable".

More to follow-SB

More people in the FDR White House reported to Stalin than to FDR

Get educated

http://www.usmessageboard.com/revie...-of-senator-joe-mccarthy-m-stanton-evans.html

What do you mean by "Get educated"? The phrase seems to be often misused to actually mean " believe what I want you to believe" and has little to do with getting educated. A huge amount of sources and links have been listed to promote a viewpoint and agenda in regards to this topic. I have taken the time to check many of them them out and fairly judge the credibility of these sources and links and how they are used to promote the specific viewpoiint, opinion and agenda being expressed. I have found them to be unreliable, distorted, taken out of context and sometimes, like the post above, completely debunked to the point that the continued use of the source has become an exercise in dishonesty for the purpose of promoting blatant misinformation.
So, feel free to give direction as to where to find legitimate educational sources that promote your claims.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You remember Ron Radosh? Yes that Ron Radosh you quoted extensively in your take-down of Pete Seeger. I'm wondering why you ignore so completely his contribution to the discussion of whether Harry Hopkins was a Soviet agent or not. Probably because he ripped West's "American Betrayal" to pieces in his Frontpagemag article McCarthy on Steroids You're aware Frontpagemag is not exactly a liberal rag, right? He concludes his damning review with this;

"Conspiratorial theories of history are easy to create once you are prepared to ignore the realities on the ground, or regard those who do take them into account as part of the conspiracy too. This is the path that Diana West has taken in her misconceived and misleading book. Why did the U.S. and Britain not prevent the totalitarian USSR from taking over Eastern Europe after it had defeated the totalitarian Nazis? It had nothing to do with the Rubik’s Cube of diplomatic and military considerations, a calculus that had to take into account the willingness of the American and British publics to continue to sacrifice and their soldiers to die. No, it was a conspiracy so immense, as West’s hero Joe McCarthy might have said, that it allowed Western policy to be dictated by a shadow army of Soviet agents. It is unfortunate that a number of conservatives who should know better have fallen for West’s fictions. It is even more depressing that her book perpetuates the dangerous one dimensional thinking of the Wisconsin Senator and his allies in the John Birch Society which have allowed anti anti-communism to have a field day in our intellectual culture."

Radosh also points out "The identification of Hopkins as Agent 19 is the linchpin of West’s conspiracy case" This assertion was put aside by any serious scholar as conservative authors Hayns and Kiedr say "We did not, in fact, give any more thought to the identity of “19” until we gained access to the Vassiliev notebooks. These notebooks put a “case closed” end to the mystery of “19.” Source no. “19” was Laurence Duggan".- No debate there, an absolute conclusion.

This is not the only article in Frontpagemag that destroys West's credibility.
Was Harry Hopkins a Soviet Spy?also gives the lie to West's claim. The authors state "It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry, and why their conclusions are unreliable".

More to follow-SB

More people in the FDR White House reported to Stalin than to FDR

Get educated

http://www.usmessageboard.com/revie...-of-senator-joe-mccarthy-m-stanton-evans.html

What do you mean by "Get educated"? The phrase seems to be often misused to actually mean " believe what I want you to believe" and has little to do with getting educated. A huge amount of sources and links have been listed to promote a viewpoint and agenda in regards to this topic. I have taken the time to check many of them them out and fairly judge the credibility of these sources and links and how they are used to promote the specific viewpoiint, opinion and agenda being expressed. I have found them to be unreliable, distorted, taken out of context and sometimes, like the post above, completely debunked to the point that the continued use of the source bas become an exercise in dishonesty for the purpose of promoting blatant misinformation.
So, feel free to give direction as to where to find legitimate educational sources that promote your claims.

Until realtively recently, the viewpoint that was promoted was that McCarthy was a demagogue who used his House UnAmericans Activities Committee to start a "Red Scare". This assumes Mao and Stalin weren't really history's two biggest mass murderers, one of whom tried to start WWIII by blockading Berlin 6 months before McCarthy's first speech on Communists in the WH and the second of whom tried to start WWIII by killing US soldiers in Korea 6 after McCarthy's speech.

The "American" Left simply loves and adores Communism and Communist Dictators and mass murderers.

Once you get educated, you understand that FDR Aided, abetted and suborned the mass murder and enslavement of hundreds of million of people to the truly fucking evil system of Communism

 

[Camp]

More people in the FDR White House reported to Stalin than to FDR

Get educated

http://www.usmessageboard.com/revie...-of-senator-joe-mccarthy-m-stanton-evans.html

What do you mean by "Get educated"? The phrase seems to be often misused to actually mean " believe what I want you to believe" and has little to do with getting educated. A huge amount of sources and links have been listed to promote a viewpoint and agenda in regards to this topic. I have taken the time to check many of them them out and fairly judge the credibility of these sources and links and how they are used to promote the specific viewpoiint, opinion and agenda being expressed. I have found them to be unreliable, distorted, taken out of context and sometimes, like the post above, completely debunked to the point that the continued use of the source bas become an exercise in dishonesty for the purpose of promoting blatant misinformation.
So, feel free to give direction as to where to find legitimate educational sources that promote your claims.

Until realtively recently, the viewpoint that was promoted was that McCarthy was a demagogue who used his House UnAmericans Activities Committee to start a "Red Scare". This assumes Mao and Stalin weren't really history's two biggest mass murderers, one of whom tried to start WWIII by blockading Berlin 6 months before McCarthy's first speech on Communists in the WH and the second of whom tried to start WWIII by killing US soldiers in Korea 6 after McCarthy's speech.

The "American" Left simply loves and adores Communism and Communist Dictators and mass murderers.

Once you get educated, you understand that FDR Aided, abetted and suborned the mass murder and enslavement of hundreds of million of people to the truly fucking evil system of Communism

You are giving opinions laced with some outragious assumptions and claims. No links or sources or hints, clues or suggestions of how to confirm these opinions or assumptions. Your claim that "The 'American' Left simple loves and adores Communism and Communmist Dictators and mass murderers." Is beyond rediculous. Why would you expect anyone to take you serious when you make this kind of statement? Do you really believe that folks who disagree with your politics are in favor of mass murderers? Do you actually believe that folks who are liberal or "left" adore brutal dictators that murdered millions of people? Perhaps this is the purpose of promoting these ridiculous theories. I have suggested in other threads that the purpose of these anti FDR threads is an effort to demonize FDR and the left in general. What can not be achieved honestly is being attempted with the use of dishonesty.

 

[SmedlyButler]

That's what CP's post amounts to. Not the America of some mythical past that she yearns for, the real America. The country which can be argued single-handedly was responsible for the Allied victory that saved the World from domination by Soviet, Nazi and Japanese Empires. And since WWll has poured it's blood and treasure into securing freedom for that world. No matter how misguided some of us think some of the tactics and motives were it was real blood and real treasure. No matter our dissent we still maintained our love for the real America.
I saw a post of hers that said (May not be exact, but close) "I miss the America we had before snakes like you destroyed it".
I'd like to know when that America was. Judging by this post it must have been pre-Roosevelt.
So, !800? 1850? 1900? When exactly did this America exist that you miss so much PoliticalChic?
I have a feeling it never existed, except in the black and white Utopian world of Ozzie and Harriet, the Cleavers, or the Taylor's Mayberry.
Truly I believe she hates the real America. And even America's greatest leaders. She hates the evolving growing learning diverse America of the 21st Century. Like they say, adapt or die. America is adapting, and striving to maintain it's standing as beacon for the World.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That's what CP's post amounts to. Not the America of some mythical past that she yearns for, the real America. The country which can be argued single-handedly was responsible for the Allied victory that saved the World from domination by Soviet, Nazi and Japanese Empires. And since WWll has poured it's blood and treasure into securing freedom for that world. No matter how misguided some of us think some of the tactics and motives were it was real blood and real treasure. No matter our dissent we still maintained our love for the real America.
I saw a post of hers that said (May not be exact, but close) "I miss the America we had before snakes like you destroyed it".
I'd like to know when that America was. Judging by this post it must have been pre-Roosevelt.
So, !800? 1850? 1900? When exactly did this America exist that you miss so much PoliticalChic?
I have a feeling it never existed, except in the black and white Utopian world of Ozzie and Harriet, the Cleavers, or the Taylor's Mayberry.
Truly I believe she hates the real America. And even America's greatest leaders. She hates the evolving growing learning diverse America of the 21st Century. Like they say, adapt or die. America is adapting, and striving to maintain it's standing as beacon for the World.

Smugly, what, exactly, is the difficulty you find in addressing even one aspect of the OP?

There is, you know, medication for attention deficit disorder.

Speak to your doctor to see if it is right for you.




If you are able to concentrate- yet can find nothing with which to disagree......say so.

 

[Mr Natural]

Clever guy that Stalin to hatch such a devious plan.

 

[rightwinger]

Clever guy that Stalin to hatch such a devious plan.

He sure pulled a fast one on FDR. Giving up 27 million dead for some short term gains

If FDR had given up 27 million dead, PC would be celebrating him today

 

[Mr Natural]

Clever guy that Stalin to hatch such a devious plan.

He sure pulled a fast one on FDR. Giving up 27 million dead for some short term gains

If FDR had given up 27 million dead, PC would be celebrating him today

Of the three (FDR, Stalin, and Hitler) the only one PC seems to celebrate is Hitler.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Clever guy that Stalin to hatch such a devious plan.

He sure pulled a fast one on FDR. Giving up 27 million dead for some short term gains

If FDR had given up 27 million dead, PC would be celebrating him today

The proof that you know that the import of the OP is correct is that you keep retreating to a position that I've proven untrue.

The Germans didn't kill 27 million Russians.....Stalin killed vast majority of them.

And, this is far from an unusual situation in the history of Leftist regimes.



You can run, but you can't hide.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Clever guy that Stalin to hatch such a devious plan.

He sure pulled a fast one on FDR. Giving up 27 million dead for some short term gains

If FDR had given up 27 million dead, PC would be celebrating him today

Of the three (FDR, Stalin, and Hitler) the only one PC seems to celebrate is Hitler.

You are clearly a lying sack if offal.....

In no post have I ever done that.

 

[rightwinger]

Clever guy that Stalin to hatch such a devious plan.

He sure pulled a fast one on FDR. Giving up 27 million dead for some short term gains

If FDR had given up 27 million dead, PC would be celebrating him today

The proof that you know that the import of the OP is correct is that you keep retreating to a position that I've proven untrue.

The Germans didn't kill 27 million Russians.....Stalin killed vast majority of them.

And, this is far from an unusual situation in the history of Leftist regimes.



You can run, but you can't hide.

Ummmm...then why are you celebrating his "strategy"?