Spain goes green...for a couple of weeks

[Thinker101]

Spain switched over to 100% green energy a couple weeks ago.

Then....

Widespread power outages hit several countries in Western Europe this afternoon, triggering chaos as railways, airports and traffic lights went down along with communications systems and financial networks.

The shocking blackouts, which struck around 12.35pm CEST, have impacted millions of people with almost all of Spain and Portugal affected as the Iberian Peninsula's power grid was cut off from the wider European grid

Parts of France, Andorra, Belgium and the Netherlands also suffered outages, according to the most recent reports.

France: Latest news, breaking stories and comment | Daily Mail Online

 

[Dekster]

it isn't because of the energy sources. Spanish officials believe it is because scorching heat over only sections of the distribution network made it impossible to keep the current flowing at a stable frequency as the lines were experiencing irregular oscillations in the hottest areas throwing everything off.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

it isn't because of the energy sources. Spanish officials believe it is because scorching heat over only sections of the distribution network made it impossible to keep the current flowing at a stable frequency as the lines were experiencing irregular oscillations in the hottest areas throwing everything off.

Yeah, and flying a helicopter with a pilot who is there just because she’s a broad had nothing to do with the ineptitude that killed 70 people.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yeah, and flying a helicopter with a pilot who is there just because she’s a broad had nothing to do with the ineptitude that killed 70 people.

You know this how? My daughter was an Army officer.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Looks like a cyber pandemic dry run

 

[toobfreak]

Spain goes green...for a couple of weeks​

Spain switched over to 100% green energy a couple weeks ago.

According to the power company, the outage was caused by oscillations on the grid, not the fact that they are using green energy.

Spain and Portugal power outages: Energy firm blames rare weather

Much of Spain and Portugal have been hit by a widespread power outage. Newsweek's live blog is closed.

www.newsweek.com

 

[JohnDB]

 

[elektra]

it isn't because of the energy sources. Spanish officials believe it is because scorching heat over only sections of the distribution network made it impossible to keep the current flowing at a stable frequency as the lines were experiencing irregular oscillations in the hottest areas throwing everything off.

Yes, because green energy is unstable, it creates unstable, varying frequencies.

It has been this hot before, just not with this much, dirty-green energy.

 

[Thinker101]

According to the power company, the outage was caused by oscillations on the grid, not the fact that they are using green energy.

Spain and Portugal power outages: Energy firm blames rare weather

Much of Spain and Portugal have been hit by a widespread power outage. Newsweek's live blog is closed.

www.newsweek.com

Wouldn't "anomalous oscillations" be caused by the power source?

 

[elektra]

According to the power company, the outage was caused by oscillations on the grid, not the fact that they are using green energy

The fact is the ocillations are caused by solar and wind.

And who says ocillations. They cant jeep the frequency stable. The grid is suppose to ocillate, it is AC.

 

[toobfreak]

Wouldn't "anomalous oscillations" be caused by the power source?

The fact is the ocillations are caused by solar and wind.
And who says ocillations. They cant jeep the frequency stable. The grid is suppose to ocillate, it is AC.

I'm fairly familiar with how power grids operate but this is a new one to me. Supposedly the oscillations on the grid is due to high atmospheric temperature variations; they don't give more details.

Is this weather? Solar? How big a temperature variation and what is the mechanism--- changes in characteristic impedance of the power lines? And why have we not had these variations before?

They say nothing about it being caused by green power sources or due to frequency variations (50Hz in Spain). I'd like more details.

 

[toobfreak]

The fact is the ocillations are caused by solar and wind.

I don't think so.

And who says ocillations.

The news organizations.

They cant jeep the frequency stable.

I don't think that is it. The line frequency is determined by very stable power inverters. Here in the USA, line frequency is usually 60.00 Hz, =/- 0.01Hz.

The grid is suppose to ocillate, it is AC.

I don't think normal standard sinusoidal oscillation is what they are talking about. I think what they are talking about is akin to line impedance variations resulting in a lack of synchronicity between generation and loads resulting in reflections, peaks and FB on the lines overloading the grid.

Think of waves coming in off the ocean out of phase. As a result, some waves when they meet cancel out while others add together causing rogue waves overloading the system. Even if they all operate at the same frequency, they are simply out of phase due to time arrival differences.

But I need more info on their grid to say for sure.

 

[Thinker101]

I'm fairly familiar with how power grids operate but this is a new one to me. Supposedly the oscillations on the grid is due to high atmospheric temperature variations; they don't give more details.

Is this weather? Solar? How big a temperature variation and what is the mechanism--- changes in characteristic impedance of the power lines? And why have we not had these variations before?

They say nothing about it being caused by green power sources or due to frequency variations (50Hz in Spain). I'd like more details.

I'm definitely not an expert but I'm guessing they'll never say it was caused by the green power source.

 

[toobfreak]

I'm definitely not an expert but I'm guessing they'll never say it was caused by the green power source.

Not if they are already identifying it as caused by atmospheric temperature variations (a rare atmospheric event).

To be honest, solar and wind power is the net result of MANY wind turbines and countless solar panels. I'm loathe to think of any way a single point failure could affect the entire grid to cause it to fail, short of simply running out of enough power to keep up the current, but last I heard, a large portion of the grid is back up and running.

 

[Thinker101]

Not if they are already identifying it as caused by atmospheric temperature variations (a rare atmospheric event).

To be honest, solar and wind power is the net result of MANY wind turbines and countless solar panels. I'm loathe to think of any way a single point failure could affect the entire grid to cause it to fail, short of simply running out of enough power to keep up the current, but last I heard, a large portion of the grid is back up and running.

Any idea if it's up and running on green energy or did they fire up the coal/oil or whatever they ran on before?

 

[elektra]

I don't think so.


The news organizations.


I don't think that is it. The line frequency is determined by very stable power inverters. Here in the USA, line frequency is usually 60.00 Hz, =/- 0.01Hz.


I don't think normal standard sinusoidal oscillation is what they are talking about. I think what they are talking about is akin to line impedance variations resulting in a lack of synchronicity between generation and loads resulting in reflections, peaks and FB on the lines overloading the grid.

Think of waves coming in off the ocean out of phase. As a result, some waves when they meet cancel out while others add together causing rogue waves overloading the system. Even if they all operate at the same frequency, they are simply out of phase due to time arrival differences.

But I need more info on their grid to say for sure.

Impedance? Your comments are all over the place. Before you think you can educate anybody and explain qhat happened you need to learn what, resonance frequency is as well as harmonic frequecies, are.

Solar and wind are incompatible with the grid, period. That is why every engineer who supports solar and wind also supports a new redesigned grid

 

[elektra]

I'm loathe to think of any way a single point failure could affect the entire grid to cause it to fail, short of simply running out of enough power to keep up the current, but last I heard, a large portion of the grid is back up and running.

It is not only about current and resistance as you state.

You left out frequency. Got to have a stabke fhz or else, the grid can trip.

 

[toobfreak]

Any idea if it's up and running on green energy or did they fire up the coal/oil or whatever they ran on before?

You know what I know. I tried twice before to find out more, but 90% of websites only mention the grid being down, few even go into the cause. None I saw blamed in on green energy.

Think what you want but the chief bane of green energy is keeping up a consistent line level day and night despite wide variations in sunlight and wind.

Frankly, I first thought maybe they had been hit by a CME from the Sun.

A few websites mentioned that about half the grid was back up.

I really hate how all news sources to the public are so lacking in details.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Any idea if it's up and running on green energy or did they fire up the coal/oil or whatever they ran on before?

This event looks like a cyber pandemic dry run

Soon the WEF/Democrat masters will deem their shillbots and NPCs ineffective and move to remove Americans access from sites like this. They will call it a cyber pandemic.

It will effect ss payments like democrats been predicting.

Democrats = traitors

 

[elektra]

I'm fairly familiar with how power grids operate but this is a new one to me. Supposedly the oscillations on the grid is due to high atmospheric temperature variations; they don't give more details.

Then why are you not talking about the harmonic frequencies, the fhz resonance of grid, standing waves. Stuff like that, if you are familiar with how a grid operates