Sodium battery with the energy density of lithium batteries

[toobfreak]

As opposed to gasoline which is normally used at less than 20% efficiency.

Hey dummy, gasoline is 100% efficient just that much of the energy is released as heat. Much of that heat is used to heat the occupants and other things and could be captured and converted into more useful forms, but you overlook that gas is also direct conversion: the fuel in the tank IS the energy source directly released by the engine and utilized.

Electricity is more efficient in theory, but often cannot afford the extra energy needed to keep vital parts of the car warm in winter like the passengers. Then add to that, that EV cars are not direct energy, but require about 20 costly and inefficient steps just to create the energy, get it to the car, then for the car to carry that energy around in a ready-to-use form, before a single thing happens! In an ICE car, the car is wholly independent. It has everything it needs right there. An EV car first needs:

1. A power generation plant.
2. A step-up substation.
3. An interstate distribution grid to carry the power out to others.
4. Another step-down substation.
5. Another step down local transformer.
6. A final power converter at the car to convert all into DC to charge the car with.
7. A massive storage battery more than half the weight of the car to hold that electricity until needed. Just think: more than half the weight of every EV is just the battery needed to carry the power around.

You sit at the stop light, and your ICE engine is going glug, glug, glug.

It is called IDLE. Drip, drip, drip. Do you plan on sitting at red lights often?

You go downhill, and it is still using gasoline, even though you have to use the brakes to keep from hitting the vehicle ahead of you.

EVs don't need brakes too, going down hills?

An EV uses no electricity at the stop light,

Sure it does. Everything in the damn car is electric. It just isn't sending any power to the wheels at that moment.

Also, you can make your own electricity, no one can close off the wind or sun.

Sure we can. Every hill blocks the wind and every cloud, tree, building or hand blocks the Sun. I mean, when the Earth itself isn't blocking the sunlight.

 

[Old Rocks]

A car wreck would set off an explosion too.

Electric vehicles (EVs) are significantly less likely to catch fire than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, with EVs being 20 to 80 times less likely to experience a fire incident.

Frequency​

• EV Fires: According to data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency, EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. In a study, only 23 fires were reported among 611,000 electric cars, resulting in an incident rate of just 0.004%.
  
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• ICE Fires: In contrast, ICE vehicles experience a much higher frequency of fires, with statistics showing that they have an incident rate of approximately 0.08%. This translates to about 1,530 fires per 100,000 ICE vehicles compared to just 25 fires per 100,000 EVs.
  
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Causes​

• EV Fires: The primary cause of EV fires is thermal runaway in the battery, which can occur due to faults or crashes. While EV fires can burn hotter and may reignite, they are much rarer than ICE fires.
  
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• ICE Fires: Common causes of fires in ICE vehicles include hot surfaces, leaking fuel lines, and electrical failures. The presence of gasoline or diesel fuel, which is highly flammable, contributes to the higher frequency of fires in these vehicles.
  
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Fire​

• EV Fires: EV fires can be more challenging to extinguish, often requiring specialized techniques and significantly more water. They may also reignite hours or days later, posing ongoing risks.
  
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• ICE Fires: Fires in ICE vehicles are generally easier to extinguish, but they occur more frequently due to the volatile nature of the fuel and the aging components of many vehicles on the road.
  
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Risk​

• For EVs: Risks associated with EV fires can be mitigated through smart charging, certified equipment, and proper battery management systems. As battery technology advances, the frequency of EV fires is expected to decrease further.
  
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• For ICE Vehicles: Regular maintenance and safer fuel system designs are crucial for reducing fire risks in ICE vehicles. However, the inherent risks associated with flammable fuels remain a significant concern.
  
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Conclusion​

While both EVs and ICE vehicles carry fire risks, the data clearly indicates that EVs are much less likely to catch fire compared to ICE vehicles. The perception of EVs being more dangerous due to fire risks is often exaggerated, overshadowing the reality that ICE vehicles pose a greater threat in this regard. As technology continues to improve, the safety profile of electric vehicles is expected to enhance further, making them a safer alternative to traditional gas-powered cars.

Lectron EV+3

 

[Sunsettommy]

Assimilate this Old Rocks!​

​

What Does Sodium React With and Why It’s So Reactive​

March 8, 2026

Excerpt:

Sodium reacts with water, oxygen, halogens, acids, alcohols, and even liquid ammonia. It is one of the most reactive metals on the periodic table, thanks to a single loosely held outer electron that it readily gives up to form bonds. This extreme reactivity is why sodium metal is never found free in nature and must be stored submerged in kerosene oil to keep it away from air and moisture.

LINK

 

[Sunsettommy]

Electric vehicles (EVs) are significantly less likely to catch fire than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, with EVs being 20 to 80 times less likely to experience a fire incident.

Frequency​

• EV Fires: According to data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency, EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. In a study, only 23 fires were reported among 611,000 electric cars, resulting in an incident rate of just 0.004%.
  
  2
• ICE Fires: In contrast, ICE vehicles experience a much higher frequency of fires, with statistics showing that they have an incident rate of approximately 0.08%. This translates to about 1,530 fires per 100,000 ICE vehicles compared to just 25 fires per 100,000 EVs.
  
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Causes​

• EV Fires: The primary cause of EV fires is thermal runaway in the battery, which can occur due to faults or crashes. While EV fires can burn hotter and may reignite, they are much rarer than ICE fires.
  
  2
• ICE Fires: Common causes of fires in ICE vehicles include hot surfaces, leaking fuel lines, and electrical failures. The presence of gasoline or diesel fuel, which is highly flammable, contributes to the higher frequency of fires in these vehicles.
  
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  3 Sources

Fire​

• EV Fires: EV fires can be more challenging to extinguish, often requiring specialized techniques and significantly more water. They may also reignite hours or days later, posing ongoing risks.
  
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• ICE Fires: Fires in ICE vehicles are generally easier to extinguish, but they occur more frequently due to the volatile nature of the fuel and the aging components of many vehicles on the road.
  
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Risk​

• For EVs: Risks associated with EV fires can be mitigated through smart charging, certified equipment, and proper battery management systems. As battery technology advances, the frequency of EV fires is expected to decrease further.
  
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• For ICE Vehicles: Regular maintenance and safer fuel system designs are crucial for reducing fire risks in ICE vehicles. However, the inherent risks associated with flammable fuels remain a significant concern.
  
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Conclusion​

While both EVs and ICE vehicles carry fire risks, the data clearly indicates that EVs are much less likely to catch fire compared to ICE vehicles. The perception of EVs being more dangerous due to fire risks is often exaggerated, overshadowing the reality that ICE vehicles pose a greater threat in this regard. As technology continues to improve, the safety profile of electric vehicles is expected to enhance further, making them a safer alternative to traditional gas-powered cars.
Lectron EV+3

A car wreck can damage the battery then sodium reacts to the air moisture or rain if unlucky, you MORON!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

If not the crash, the firefighting efforts would.

Sodium-ion batteries are generally much less prone to fires than lithium-ion batteries, though no battery is completely immune under extreme conditions.

Safety​

Sodium-ion batteries are inherently safer due to their stable chemical structure and lower operating voltages (1.5–4.0V compared to lithium-ion’s 2.5–4.2V), which reduces the energy stored per cell and the risk of fire. Unlike lithium-ion batteries, sodium-ion cells are less susceptible to thermal runaway, the chain reaction that can lead to fires or explosions when a battery is damaged, overcharged, or overheated. Laboratory tests, including nail penetration, crush tests, and overcharge scenarios, consistently show that sodium-ion batteries maintain stability under conditions that would cause lithium-ion batteries to fail catastrophically.

highstar.com+1

Design​

Recent innovations, such as solid polymer electrolytes and salt-based solid diluents, further reduce fire risks by eliminating flammable liquid solvents in the electrolyte. These materials prevent chemical reactions that could otherwise degrade the battery and lead to fires. Sodium-ion batteries also benefit from lower internal resistance and the ability to operate at higher temperatures without decomposing, enhancing thermal management.

lithiumbatterytech.com+2

Residual​

While sodium-ion batteries are safer, they are not completely fireproof. Under extreme conditions—such as severe physical damage, overcharging, or manufacturing defects—there remains a small potential for fire or explosion. Manufacturers mitigate these risks through advanced thermal management, protective circuitry, and careful material selection.

sibattery.com

Summary​

Overall, sodium-ion batteries offer a significantly lower fire risk compared to lithium-ion batteries due to their chemical stability, lower voltage, and improved design options. Innovations like solid electrolytes and nonflammable solvents make them even safer, though proper handling and adherence to manufacturer guidelines remain important to minimize any residual risk.

highstar.com+4

highstar.com
Sodium Ion Battery Safety Claims and Fire Risk Analysis Revealed


Himax Electronics
Are sodium ion batteries flammable - Himax

 

[toobfreak]

A car wreck would set off an explosion too.

The beauty is that when sodium reacts to water or most other liquids, the first thing is does is release a cloud of explosive hydrogen gas, the same stuff that destroyed the Hindenburg Zeppelin.

 

[Old Rocks]

A car wreck can damage the battery then sodium reacts to the air moisture or rain if unlucky, you MORON!!!

A wreck can rupture a gas tank, and the resultant fire is catastrophic.

Hey dummy, gasoline is 100% efficient just that much of the energy is released as heat. Much of that heat is used to heat the occupants and other things and could be captured and converted into more useful forms, but you overlook that gas is also direct conversion: the fuel in the tank IS the energy source directly released by the engine and utilized.

Electricity is more efficient in theory, but often cannot afford the extra energy needed to keep vital parts of the car warm in winter like the passengers. Then add to that, that EV cars are not direct energy, but require about 20 costly and inefficient steps just to create the energy, get it to the car, then for the car to carry that energy around in a ready-to-use form, before a single thing happens! In an ICE car, the car is wholly independent. It has everything it needs right there. An EV car first needs:

1. A power generation plant.
2. A step-up substation.
3. An interstate distribution grid to carry the power out to others.
4. Another step-down substation.
5. Another step down local transformer.
6. A final power converter at the car to convert all into DC to charge the car with.
7. A massive storage battery more than half the weight of the car to hold that electricity until needed. Just think: more than half the weight of every EV is just the battery needed to carry the power around.

It is called IDLE. Drip, drip, drip. Do you plan on sitting at red lights often?


EVs don't need brakes too, going down hills?


Sure it does. Everything in the damn car is electric. It just isn't sending any power to the wheels at that moment.


Sure we can. Every hill blocks the wind and every cloud, tree, building or hand blocks the Sun. I mean, when the Earth itself isn't blocking the sunlight.

My, my, another dummy proves his lack of intellect. LOL A gallon of gas requires:
1. A drill rig
2. A pump to get the oil out of the ground
3. A pipeline to get the oil to a refinery, often many hundreds of miles away.
4. A refinery worth billions of dollars
5. Substation and grid to run the refinery
6. More pipeline to take the finished product to a central loading point
7. Tanker trucks to haul the gas to service stations from the central loading point
8. Service stations
9. The substations and grid to support those service stations.

Living in an urban area, yes, I sit at red lights quite often.

EV's going down hill charge the battery. An ICE car going down hill does not put one more drop of gasoline in the tank. Yes, EV's have brakes for places like Cabbage Hill or Wolf Creek Pass.

Silly ass, an ICE car is using those same items, lights, air conditioner, ect. and very inefficiently powering them with an alternator ran by a gas engine.

Meaning what? Solar is the rapidest growing means of generation in the world. It is also the least costly, and quickest to build out. That is why that ultra liberal state of Texas leads the US installing solar.

 

[westwall]

Sodium-ion batteries are generally much less prone to fires than lithium-ion batteries, though no battery is completely immune under extreme conditions.

Safety​

Sodium-ion batteries are inherently safer due to their stable chemical structure and lower operating voltages (1.5–4.0V compared to lithium-ion’s 2.5–4.2V), which reduces the energy stored per cell and the risk of fire. Unlike lithium-ion batteries, sodium-ion cells are less susceptible to thermal runaway, the chain reaction that can lead to fires or explosions when a battery is damaged, overcharged, or overheated. Laboratory tests, including nail penetration, crush tests, and overcharge scenarios, consistently show that sodium-ion batteries maintain stability under conditions that would cause lithium-ion batteries to fail catastrophically.
highstar.com+1

Design​

Recent innovations, such as solid polymer electrolytes and salt-based solid diluents, further reduce fire risks by eliminating flammable liquid solvents in the electrolyte. These materials prevent chemical reactions that could otherwise degrade the battery and lead to fires. Sodium-ion batteries also benefit from lower internal resistance and the ability to operate at higher temperatures without decomposing, enhancing thermal management.
lithiumbatterytech.com+2

Residual​

While sodium-ion batteries are safer, they are not completely fireproof. Under extreme conditions—such as severe physical damage, overcharging, or manufacturing defects—there remains a small potential for fire or explosion. Manufacturers mitigate these risks through advanced thermal management, protective circuitry, and careful material selection.
sibattery.com

Summary​

Overall, sodium-ion batteries offer a significantly lower fire risk compared to lithium-ion batteries due to their chemical stability, lower voltage, and improved design options. Innovations like solid electrolytes and nonflammable solvents make them even safer, though proper handling and adherence to manufacturer guidelines remain important to minimize any residual risk.
highstar.com+4

highstar.com
Sodium Ion Battery Safety Claims and Fire Risk Analysis Revealed

Himax Electronics
Are sodium ion batteries flammable - Himax

Much less, but still dangerous as hell.

 

[Old Rocks]

The beauty is that when sodium reacts to water or most other liquids, the first thing is does is release a cloud of explosive hydrogen gas, the same stuff that destroyed the Hindenburg Zeppelin.

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   Annual Gasoline Fire Fatalities in the U.S.​

   According to the American Burn Association, an estimated 454 people are killed each year in the United States from gasoline burns Orlando Health. These fatalities are part of a broader set of gasoline-related burn injuries, with nearly 4,000 people injured annually from gasoline-related burns Orlando Health.
   
   Gasoline is highly flammable in both liquid and vapor form, and vapors can ignite from as far as 12 feet away from the source Orlando Health. The American Burn Association highlights that gasoline is one of the few materials most people encounter regularly that poses a significant burn hazard, both at gas stations and at home when used in lawn equipment or stored improperly.
   
   Key points:
   
   • Annual deaths: ~454 civilian fatalities from gasoline burns Orlando Health
   • Annual injuries: ~4,000 civilian injuries Orlando Health
   • Annual property damage: Estimated at $1.5 billion Orlando Health
   Prevention tips from the American Burn Association include:
   
   • Staying outside your vehicle while fueling to avoid static sparks.
   • Avoiding cell phone use while pumping gas.
   • Storing gasoline in approved containers, away from heat sources, and in a garage or shed if possible.
   • Checking gas levels before starting equipment to avoid pouring fuel into a hot engine.
   These statistics underscore the importance of public education and safety practices to reduce gasoline-related burn incidents. NFPA
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   Preventing Burns from Gasoline Fires - Orlando Health
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   Much less, but still dangerous as hell.

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   Fatalities from EV Fires in the U.S.​

   There is no single, official U.S. government figure that tallies all people killed by EV fires, but available data from fire safety agencies, industry reports, and vehicle safety databases provide a clear picture.
   https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=42f1...y9zZXJ2aWNlLW9yLWdhcy1zdGF0aW9uLWZpcmVz&ntb=1
   Recent and historical data:
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   • A 2023–2024 analysis of U.S. EV fire incidents found that EV fires are extremely rare — about 25 fires per 100,000 battery electric vehicles sold (0.025% fire rate) BlazeStack.
   • In the period 2013–2017, there were 41 documented fatal EV accidents in the U.S., of which only 1 involved a fire (2.44% of fatal EV crashes) www.lookupaplate.com.
   • Comparatively, in the same period, there were 20,315 fatal ICE vehicle crashes in the U.S., with 644 fires (3.17% of fatal crashes) www.lookupaplate.com.
   • Globally, EV fires are far less common than ICE or hybrid fires, but when they occur, they are longer-lasting and harder to extinguish BlazeStack.
   Why the numbers are low:
   
   • EVs have a 0.03% chance of catching fire in the U.S., compared to about 1.5% for ICE vehicles www.lookupaplate.com.
   • Most EV fires occur during charging (4× more likely than normal driving) or after crashes (30% of EV fires post-crash) worldmetrics.org.
   • Many fires are non-fatal; the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reports an average of 2.3 injuries per EV fire incident, compared to 1.8 for ICE fires worldmetrics.org.
   Bottom line:
   While EV fires are a growing concern due to their complexity, the number of people killed in U.S. EV fires is very small — likely only a handful of fatalities in the past decade, and far fewer than in ICE or hybrid vehicle fires. The rarity of EV fires means that even when they occur, the fatality rate is low compared to traditional vehicles.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

 

[westwall]

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   Annual Gasoline Fire Fatalities in the U.S.​

   According to the American Burn Association, an estimated 454 people are killed each year in the United States from gasoline burns Orlando Health. These fatalities are part of a broader set of gasoline-related burn injuries, with nearly 4,000 people injured annually from gasoline-related burns Orlando Health.
   
   Gasoline is highly flammable in both liquid and vapor form, and vapors can ignite from as far as 12 feet away from the source Orlando Health. The American Burn Association highlights that gasoline is one of the few materials most people encounter regularly that poses a significant burn hazard, both at gas stations and at home when used in lawn equipment or stored improperly.
   
   Key points:
   • Annual deaths: ~454 civilian fatalities from gasoline burns Orlando Health
   • Annual injuries: ~4,000 civilian injuries Orlando Health
   • Annual property damage: Estimated at $1.5 billion Orlando Health
   • Prevention tips
   from the American Burn Association include:
   • Staying outside your vehicle while fueling to avoid static sparks.
   • Avoiding cell phone use while pumping gas.
   • Storing gasoline in approved containers, away from heat sources, and in a garage or shed if possible.
   • Checking gas levels before starting equipment to avoid pouring fuel into a hot engine.
   These statistics underscore the importance of public education and safety practices to reduce gasoline-related burn incidents. NFPA
   Read less
   
   Orlando Health
   Preventing Burns from Gasoline Fires - Orlando Health
   https://www.orlandohealth.com/content-hub/preventing-burns-from-gasoline-fires
   
   NFPA
   Service or Gas Station Fires report | NFPA
   https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/research/nfpa-research/fire-statistical-reports/service-or-gas-station-fires
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   Fatalities from EV Fires in the U.S.​

   There is no single, official U.S. government figure that tallies all people killed by EV fires, but available data from fire safety agencies, industry reports, and vehicle safety databases provide a clear picture.
   https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=42f1...y9zZXJ2aWNlLW9yLWdhcy1zdGF0aW9uLWZpcmVz&ntb=1
   Recent and historical data:
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   • A 2023–2024 analysis of U.S. EV fire incidents found that EV fires are extremely rare — about 25 fires per 100,000 battery electric vehicles sold (0.025% fire rate) BlazeStack.
   • In the period 2013–2017, there were 41 documented fatal EV accidents in the U.S., of which only 1 involved a fire (2.44% of fatal EV crashes) www.lookupaplate.com.
   • Comparatively, in the same period, there were 20,315 fatal ICE vehicle crashes in the U.S., with 644 fires (3.17% of fatal crashes) www.lookupaplate.com.
   • Globally, EV fires are far less common than ICE or hybrid fires, but when they occur, they are longer-lasting and harder to extinguish BlazeStack.
   • Why the numbers are low:
   • EVs have a 0.03% chance of catching fire in the U.S., compared to about 1.5% for ICE vehicles www.lookupaplate.com.
   • Most EV fires occur during charging (4× more likely than normal driving) or after crashes (30% of EV fires post-crash) worldmetrics.org.
   • Many fires are non-fatal; the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reports an average of 2.3 injuries per EV fire incident, compared to 1.8 for ICE fires worldmetrics.org.
   • Bottom line:
   
   While EV fires are a growing concern due to their complexity, the number of people killed in U.S. EV fires is very small — likely only a handful of fatalities in the past decade, and far fewer than in ICE or hybrid vehicle fires. The rarity of EV fires means that even when they occur, the fatality rate is low compared to traditional vehicles.
   
   
   
   
   
   

And? Gas fires are universally operator error. They don't spontaneously combust.

Lithium batteries do.

 

[toobfreak]

A wreck can rupture a gas tank, and the resultant fire is catastrophic.

A wreck MIGHT. Then it might not. I've actually had trouble trying to ignite gasoline on the ground.
The rest of your puerile post barely ranks reading much less responding to. Thing is, all of the oil infrastructure is already there as it is needed for THOUSANDS of products. Yes, there is a power grid, but it needs DOUBLED or TRIPLED in capacity to meet EV demands.

Further, the ICE car user receives the gasoline in a usable form. Loaded in your 89 pound tank, it holds as much potential energy or more than a 2000 pound EV battery.

Gasoline in a combustible form is not at all comparable to electricity which must be generated miles away, transmitted to you and converted, before you can even charge your car.

Gasoline is latent energy. Just a happy liquid sloshing around in your tank.

Electricity is pure energy already released and must be held in stasis ready for work. One slip up, and all of the charge slams together with all of the electron holes and cancels out in one massive reaction.

The motor in your wheel is just a big resistor to slow down the reaction.

 

[odanny]

An EV uses no electricity at the stop light, and gains power through regeneration going down hill.

I never even knew that until driving through the mountains of northern Thailand. I saw many times how that worked. And the cost to recharge was so cheap, compared to gasoline. This also all happened during the start of the Iran war, when there were long gas lines everywhere.

There is clearly a conspiracy in the U.S. to keep these vehicles off the roads, I'm sure of it. Biden was not the man to stop it.

 

[Sunsettommy]

And? Gas fires are universally operator error. They don't spontaneously combust.

Lithium batteries do.

Notice how he constantly miss the obvious point when he tries so hard to cheerlead battery technology because it is all part of the idiotic we much save the planet bromide.

He thinks we have a Climate Emergency which is obvious delusional propaganda but he takes it so darn seriously while the rational knows it is just a slightly warmer world and most of it at night which is no big deal to fret over.

 

[toobfreak]

Notice how he constantly miss the obvious point when he tries so hard to cheerlead battery technology because it is all part of the idiotic we much save the planet bromide.

Well, no harm in advancing battery technology! And it certainly offers some new choices. The question is whether it is affordable and practical for everyone, is it ready to replace conventional technology, and should the government be in the business of FORCING it on you whether you want it, like it, or can afford it?

And the answers are: no, no, and no.

Hey, if it suits your needs and budget, and doesn't present a problem charging at home on the road, it is certainly an interesting choice, both with advantages and disadvantages! But the real question is whether and how it is saving the planet, and that is where we part into fantasy of the great unknown.

• What if some of the electricity used to charge your car was created through non-renewable sources?
• What is the total effect on mining, manufacturing and recycling all of these rare earths and special metals needed in the making of an EV? Both environmentally and socially? What if the source nation used forced human labor of minors to dig the metals? They do that.

There is the problem. Unless we can accurately take in the true total picture, we have no idea what we are "saving." IMO, EV cars are an interesting and developing technology, but the book is way too out yet to know how or where EV cars are really saving the planet without weighing the total cost.

And of course, there is still yet to consider, the cost of significantly revamping the entire power grid to both generate and carry all of the additional load not to mention the increased vulnerability of literally having an entire nation committed almost 100% on one technology and network to deliver it.

Boy, talk about a terrorist's dream situation.

 

[Sunsettommy]

A wreck MIGHT. Then it might not. I've actually had trouble trying to ignite gasoline on the ground.
The rest of your puerile post barely ranks reading much less responding to. Thing is, all of the oil infrastructure is already there as it is needed for THOUSANDS of products. Yes, there is a power grid, but it needs DOUBLED or TRIPLED in capacity to meet EV demands.

Further, the ICE car user receives the gasoline in a usable form. Loaded in your 89 pound tank, it holds as much potential energy or more than a 2000 pound EV battery.

Gasoline in a combustible form is not at all comparable to electricity which must be generated miles away, transmitted to you and converted, before you can even charge your car.

Gasoline is latent energy. Just a happy liquid sloshing around in your tank.

Electricity is pure energy already released and must be held in stasis ready for work. One slip up, and all of the charge slams together with all of the electron holes and cancels out in one massive reaction.

The motor in your wheel is just a big resistor to slow down the reaction.

He fails to acknowledge the well known Sodium explosive reactions to water and water vapor, he is going to sweep it aside because he is showing his calculated resistance to its weaknesses by flooding the thread with a bunch of long-winded quotes from the internet.


Fact remain unchanged they react VIOLENTLY to water.......

 

[Old Rocks]

He fails to acknowledge the well known Sodium explosive reactions to water and water vapor, he is going to sweep it aside because he is showing his calculated resistance to its weaknesses by flooding the thread with a bunch of long-winded quotes from the internet.


Fact remain unchanged they react VIOLENTLY to water.......

LOL In other words, damn it, he presents facts and evidence. Just isn't fair. LOL In a very short time EV's have gone from practically nonexistent to 25% of the new autos purchased worldwide. One nation is doing all it can to promote and become the leader in this field, another is led by people that are trying their best to suppress the technology. Guess who will be the big beneficiaries from their policies. People like you are intent on making the US a technological backwater.

 

[Old Rocks]

He fails to acknowledge the well known Sodium explosive reactions to water and water vapor, he is going to sweep it aside because he is showing his calculated resistance to its weaknesses by flooding the thread with a bunch of long-winded quotes from the internet.


Fact remain unchanged they react VIOLENTLY to water.......

Fact remains that gasoline fires kill about 450 people every year in the US.

• EVs have a 0.03% chance of catching fire in the U.S., compared to about 1.5% for ICE vehicles www.lookupaplate.com.
• Most EV fires occur during charging (4× more likely than normal driving) or after crashes (30% of EV fires post-crash) worldmetrics.org.

 

[Old Rocks]

A point I failed to make. At 261 Wt/Kg a sodium battery is actually about the same weight as a lithium battery at 250 Wt/Kg. A sodium battery does not use Nickel or Cobalt, both heavy metals.

 

[toobfreak]

He fails to acknowledge the well known Sodium explosive reactions to water and water vapor,

And isn't that always the problem, there are two sides to every issue--- I acknowledge the potential in EVs, but there is bad and danger with them as well that needs looked at before rushing into it pell mell. But the problem is that O.R. never wants to hear about, acknowledge, or discuss the bad, just the good, and not resolving the bad first is what holds up the good--- kinda funny.

It may well be that there is some clever technical solution to making sodium safe and non-reactive in a water bath like an auto driven in the city street will be subjected to, but we kinda need to find one first and prove its viability before we tout sodium batteries yet too much. These batteries better be resistant to burning even when you TRY to set them on fire! And isn't that the one insurmountable problem with all batteries, is that the denser the energy, the more they tend to want to oxygenize. These things are literally built to be electron dumps.