Socialism’s Endless Refrain: This Time, Things Will Be Different

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Socialism’s Endless Refrain: This Time, Things Will Be Different
written by Kristian Niemietz
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Germany’s socialist left is currently embroiled in a row over the correct stance on Venezuela. The conflict came to the fore at the February conference of Die Linke, the country’s main socialist party, when a group of Nicolás Maduro fans stormed the stage, chanting slogans and waving banners with pro-Venezuela messages.

Nicolás Maduro is the successor to Hugo Chávez, and has served as Venezuelan President since 2013. The legitimacy of his presidency has been in free fall in recent years, and many now call him a dictator. As Maduro’s popularity has waned, his tactics have become increasingly brutal. In 2018, a panel of legal experts convened by the Organization of American States recommended that the regime be referred to the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity.

Many members of the Die Linke party establishment, however, still side with Maduro, whom they see as a comrade under siege. Others, especially in the party’s youth organisation, take the opposite view—which is why the February conference was contentious. One young member describes the party’s in-house Chavistas as “die-hard reactionaries, who have an antiquated understanding of socialism.”

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Heute auf dem Europa-Parteitag der Linken #linkebpt haben wir Solidarität mit #Venezuela gegen den US-Putschversuch gefordert. Die BuReg muss ihre Anerkennung für den selbsternannten Präsidenten #Guiadó zurücknehmen u darf die humanitäre Hilfe nicht länger politisch missbrauchen!
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This has been widely portrayed in the German media as a struggle between reformists and fundamentalists, with the battle lines running loosely along generational lines. In this version of events, the older crop of socialists tend to have a more rigid, dogmatic understanding of socialism, while the newer generation is more open-minded in its approach.

This coincides with the portrayal, and the self-perception, of “millennial socialist” movements across the Western world. A lot has been written recently about the resurgence of socialism among young voters. Socialist candidates such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the United States, Jeremy Corbyn in the UK and Jean-Luc Mélenchon in France have seen huge surges in popularity. And while the candidates themselves span the age spectrum, they all find their most enthusiastic support among young people.

This socialist revival is, of course, neither a homogenous movement, nor a fully worked-out policy program. But if there is a common thread, it is the belief that emerging forms of socialism could be completely different from anything that has flown under that ideological banner in the past. For these new socialists, socialism doesn’t necessarily mean a society run by large, hierarchical government bureaucracies. Nor does it mean a command-and-control economy, directed by a distant, technocratic elite. It means experimenting with new forms of social ownership and democratic decision-making, devolving power to the grassroots, and empowering ordinary working people.

Since earlier socialist projects didn’t develop in this way, modern socialists tend not to identify with them; and sometimes even reject the idea that these precursors were even “socialist” at all. If one had to summarise the public-facing posture of modern socialism in one sentence, it would be: “This time will be different.”

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Socialism's Endless Refrain: This Time, Things Will Be Different - Quillette
 
Socialism will happen when you quislings finally run out of excuses for why the capitalist system is failing us.

"Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence."

Karl Marx
The German Ideology
 
Socialism will happen when you quislings finally run out of excuses for why the capitalist system is failing us.

The crony capitalism we see today is a friggin mess i can go on forever BUT socialism is the answer ? One con game for another?
errrr no thanks

i'll pass

Fixed it

Um .....Karl Marx was born in Germany.

uh boy
 
Socialism will happen when you quislings finally run out of excuses for why the capitalist system is failing us.

The crony capitalism we see today is a friggin mess i can go on forever BUT socialism is the answer ? One con game for another?
errrr no thanks

i'll pass

Fixed it

Um .....Karl Marx was born in Germany.

uh boy

He was born in Trier Germany.
Rhenish Prussia present day Germany.
 
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Socialism will happen when you quislings finally run out of excuses for why the capitalist system is failing us.

The crony capitalism we see today is a friggin mess i can go on forever BUT socialism is the answer ? One con game for another?
errrr no thanks

i'll pass

Fixed it

Um .....Karl Marx was born in Germany.

uh boy
Rh
He was born in Trier Germany.
Rhenish Prussia present day Germany.


uh boy uh boy

we're fuckin doomed :auiqs.jpg:
 
Socialism will happen when you quislings finally run out of excuses for why the capitalist system is failing us.

The crony capitalism we see today is a friggin mess i can go on forever BUT socialism is the answer ? One con game for another?
errrr no thanks

i'll pass

Fixed it

Um .....Karl Marx was born in Germany.

uh boy
Rh
He was born in Trier Germany.
Rhenish Prussia present day Germany.


uh boy uh boy

we're fuckin doomed :auiqs.jpg:

Where do you think he was born.
 
Socialism’s Endless Refrain: This Time, Things Will Be Different
written by Kristian Niemietz
Workers_peasants_soldiers_intellectuals_reenforcing_the_ranks_of_the_Unified_Socialist_Party_of_Catalonia-1.png

Germany’s socialist left is currently embroiled in a row over the correct stance on Venezuela. The conflict came to the fore at the February conference of Die Linke, the country’s main socialist party, when a group of Nicolás Maduro fans stormed the stage, chanting slogans and waving banners with pro-Venezuela messages.

Nicolás Maduro is the successor to Hugo Chávez, and has served as Venezuelan President since 2013. The legitimacy of his presidency has been in free fall in recent years, and many now call him a dictator. As Maduro’s popularity has waned, his tactics have become increasingly brutal. In 2018, a panel of legal experts convened by the Organization of American States recommended that the regime be referred to the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity.

Many members of the Die Linke party establishment, however, still side with Maduro, whom they see as a comrade under siege. Others, especially in the party’s youth organisation, take the opposite view—which is why the February conference was contentious. One young member describes the party’s in-house Chavistas as “die-hard reactionaries, who have an antiquated understanding of socialism.”

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Heike Hänsel

@HeikeHaensel
Heute auf dem Europa-Parteitag der Linken #linkebpt haben wir Solidarität mit #Venezuela gegen den US-Putschversuch gefordert. Die BuReg muss ihre Anerkennung für den selbsternannten Präsidenten #Guiadó zurücknehmen u darf die humanitäre Hilfe nicht länger politisch missbrauchen!
1:13 PM - Feb 23, 2019
826 people are talking about this
Twitter Ads info and privacy

This has been widely portrayed in the German media as a struggle between reformists and fundamentalists, with the battle lines running loosely along generational lines. In this version of events, the older crop of socialists tend to have a more rigid, dogmatic understanding of socialism, while the newer generation is more open-minded in its approach.

This coincides with the portrayal, and the self-perception, of “millennial socialist” movements across the Western world. A lot has been written recently about the resurgence of socialism among young voters. Socialist candidates such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the United States, Jeremy Corbyn in the UK and Jean-Luc Mélenchon in France have seen huge surges in popularity. And while the candidates themselves span the age spectrum, they all find their most enthusiastic support among young people.

This socialist revival is, of course, neither a homogenous movement, nor a fully worked-out policy program. But if there is a common thread, it is the belief that emerging forms of socialism could be completely different from anything that has flown under that ideological banner in the past. For these new socialists, socialism doesn’t necessarily mean a society run by large, hierarchical government bureaucracies. Nor does it mean a command-and-control economy, directed by a distant, technocratic elite. It means experimenting with new forms of social ownership and democratic decision-making, devolving power to the grassroots, and empowering ordinary working people.

Since earlier socialist projects didn’t develop in this way, modern socialists tend not to identify with them; and sometimes even reject the idea that these precursors were even “socialist” at all. If one had to summarise the public-facing posture of modern socialism in one sentence, it would be: “This time will be different.”

read the rest @
Socialism's Endless Refrain: This Time, Things Will Be Different - Quillette
Yes. This time around it will be different because it will be "Democratic Socialism" HAHAHA!!!
 
It will gain ground as capitalist systems fall apart, but not in the way that they imagine.
 
The crony capitalism we see today is a friggin mess i can go on forever BUT socialism is the answer ? One con game for another?
errrr no thanks

i'll pass

Fixed it

Um .....Karl Marx was born in Germany.

uh boy
Rh
He was born in Trier Germany.
Rhenish Prussia present day Germany.


uh boy uh boy

we're fuckin doomed :auiqs.jpg:

Where do you think he was born.

uh boy uh boy uh boya
DOOMED !!!!
your poli sci professor forget to add the lecherous drunken bum part .
see if you can get your dads money back
 
Um .....Karl Marx was born in Germany.

uh boy
Rh
He was born in Trier Germany.
Rhenish Prussia present day Germany.


uh boy uh boy

we're fuckin doomed :auiqs.jpg:

Where do you think he was born.

uh boy uh boy uh boya
DOOMED !!!!
your poli sci professor forget to add the lecherous drunken bum part .
see if you can get your dads money back
Um .....Karl Marx was born in Germany.

uh boy
Rh
He was born in Trier Germany.
Rhenish Prussia present day Germany.


uh boy uh boy

we're fuckin doomed :auiqs.jpg:

Where do you think he was born.

uh boy uh boy uh boya
DOOMED !!!!
your poli sci professor forget to add the lecherous drunken bum part .
see if you can get your dads money back

He was also a drug attic, but you're the one who crossed out he was German.
He was a German drunk and drug attic.
There, it's been corrected for you. :)
 
YEA
finally
Rh
He was born in Trier Germany.
Rhenish Prussia present day Germany.


uh boy uh boy

we're fuckin doomed :auiqs.jpg:

Where do you think he was born.

uh boy uh boy uh boya
DOOMED !!!!
your poli sci professor forget to add the lecherous drunken bum part .
see if you can get your dads money back
Rh
He was born in Trier Germany.
Rhenish Prussia present day Germany.


uh boy uh boy

we're fuckin doomed :auiqs.jpg:

Where do you think he was born.

uh boy uh boy uh boya
DOOMED !!!!
your poli sci professor forget to add the lecherous drunken bum part .
see if you can get your dads money back

He was also a drug attic, but you're the one who crossed out he was German.
He was a German drunk and drug attic.
There, it's been corrected for you. :)

finally
 
Socialism will happen when you quislings finally run out of excuses for why the capitalist system is failing us.

The crony capitalism we see today is a friggin mess i can go on forever BUT socialism is the answer ? One con game for another?
errrr no thanks

i'll pass

Fixed it
You'll pass............away.

But time won't stop and neither will the degradation of our social conditions.

Marx has been gone a long time from this planet. But you have yet to kill him, he exists as knowledge. And it is that knowledge that gives people the ability to make sense of the world around them. All they have to do is reach out and grab it.

It will happen.........out of necessity. When the time is right.
 
It’s amazing that people still cling to the discredited, musty 19th-century ideology that is Marxism.

It’s like a team going 0-50 and thinking that all it has to do is keep doing the same thing.
 
It’s amazing that people still cling to the discredited, musty 19th-century ideology that is Marxism.

It’s like a team going 0-50 and thinking that all it has to do is keep doing the same thing.
I like to root for the underdog.

More importantly, it gives me insight into why my country is so fucked up.
 
It’s amazing that people still cling to the discredited, musty 19th-century ideology that is Marxism.

It’s like a team going 0-50 and thinking that all it has to do is keep doing the same thing.
I like to root for the underdog.

More importantly, it gives me insight into why my country is so fucked up.
Mexico’s nice this time of year. And don’t get me started on Guatemala!
 

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