So, You Want a Machine Gun?

[bigrebnc1775]

Before '86 you could buy a Brit Sten gun (various marks) for around $200.00 plus $200.00 for Uncle Sugar.

Today.....18K.

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1986 I bought a Russian AK 47 250.00

 

[1srelluc]

I'm a farmer, all i need are scater guns....~S~

Oh no....You need a lever action/handgun combo in .32-20.

It was known as the "farmer's caliber" because it could take care of farm pests as well as take the occasional mid-sized deer.

 

[JGalt]

Actually, it isn't too bad. I own a M1918A2 and on slow rate they are very controllable. On fast rate they bounce around pretty good though. I only shoot fast rate on the bench with the bipod.

I'm too old to go prone anymore. Takes too much time to get up!

Maybe that 20 pounds they weigh helps cut down on the recoil.

 

[westwall]

Maybe that 20 pounds they weigh helps cut down on the recoil.

Indeed it does.

 

[Flash]

7.62 NATO on full auto is bad enough, but think about those WW2 grunts having to manage a BAR with 30 caliber M2 ball? I can't even imagine trying to shoot 30-06 in full-auto, that had to hurt.

I agree.

I remember some of the South Vietnamese were issued BARs. Imagine a little guy hardly weighing 100 lbs firing a BAR.

At the range a few years ago I got to fire a legal Class III Fn FAL on full auto. It was easier to keep on target than I remember the M-14 to be. Of course it had a bipod and was designed to be fired in the prone position while the M-14 was an off hand rifle.

 

[JGalt]

I agree.

I remember some of the South Vietnamese were issued BARs. Imagine a little guy hardly weighing 100 lbs firing a BAR.

At the range a few years ago I got to fire a legal Class III Fn FAL on full auto. It was easier to keep on target than I remember the M-14 to be. Of course it had a bipod and was designed to be fired in the prone position while the M-14 was an off hand rifle.

Any dinky little guy can put the rounds on target if he's motivated enough.

 

[Jarlaxle]

7.62 NATO on full auto is bad enough, but think about those WW2 grunts having to manage a BAR with 30 caliber M2 ball? I can't even imagine trying to shoot 30-06 in full-auto, that had to hurt.

Note that the BAR is HEAVY.

 

[JGalt]

Note that the BAR is HEAVY.

True, that 20 pounds of weight would soak up much of the recoil.

 

[Failzero]

I think bargain basement Class III Weapons ( Uzi ) ( Type 63) ( M3 ) ( Broomhandle Mauser ) ... are still
Doable for lower middle class buyers but you must live in a State where tax Stamps still get processed

 

[whitehall]

Most ignorant anti-2nd Amendment activists are probably unaware that a "machine gun" fires multiple rounds (it doesn't matter if they are 9 mm or .45 or even 30.06) at the single depression of the trigger. They seem to think that all military looking firearms are "machine guns" and they persist in promoting the lie. The Clinton ATF used helicopters, tanks and poison gas to incinerate about 100 members of a quirky religious sect in Texas on the basis that they sent away for (legal) pamphlets about restoring junk WW2 automatic weapons. The pamphlets were burned up and there wasn't a trace of a single WW2 vintage weapon found after the burned bodies of men, women and children were removed.

 

[JGalt]

Most ignorant anti-2nd Amendment activists are probably unaware that a "machine gun" fires multiple rounds (it doesn't matter if they are 9 mm or .45 or even 30.06) at the single depression of the trigger. They seem to think that all military looking firearms are "machine guns" and they persist in promoting the lie. The Clinton ATF used helicopters, tanks and poison gas to incinerate about 100 members of a quirky religious sect in Texas on the basis that they sent away for (legal) pamphlets about restoring junk WW2 automatic weapons. The pamphlets were burned up and there wasn't a trace of a single WW2 vintage weapon found after the burned bodies of men, women and children were removed.

The Waco Branch Davidians were quite the firearms aficionados, but I doubt the validity of the FBI report on the weapons they found. The FBI has been known to fabricate evidence before.

Department Of Treasury Memorandum | Waco - The Inside Story | FRONTLINE | PBS

"WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND: TREASURY SUMMARY OF REPORT PREPARED BY THE FBI FOR PROSECUTORS AND THE ILLEGAL WEAPONS RECOVERED

Machine Guns

The FBI determined that 46 semiautomatic firearms had been modified to fire in full automatic mode:

22 M-16 Type Rifles

20 AK-47 Type Rifles

2 Heckler and Koch SP-89

2 M-11/Nine

The FBI also determined that two AR-15 lower receivers had been modified to fire in full automatic mode.

Silencers

21 Sound suppressors or silencers

Hand Grenades

4 Live M-21 Practice Hand Grenades

The possession of lawfully manufactured machineguns, silencers, or grenades requires the owner to register the weapon with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. None of the compound's residents were registered to own such a weapon, therefore it would have been illegal for them to possess these weapons.

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WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND: TREASURY SUMMARY OF REPORT PREPARED BY THE FBI FOR PROSECUTORS AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
TOTAL WEAPONS RECOVERED

(Including Weapons Mentioned on Previous Page)

FIREARMS

Rifles and Rifle Components

61 M-16 Type and 2 M-16 Lower Receivers

61 AK-47 Type

34 AR-15 Type and 2 AR-15 Lower Receivers

13 Shotguns -- 12 gauge

11 7.62MM FN FAL Type

10 Mini-14 Type

7 37mm. Flare Gun/Launcher Type

6 .30 Carbine Calber US Carbine, Model M1

6 Assorted Rifles

5 M-11/Nine

5 M-14 Type

3 Galil

2 Heckler and Koch SP-89

1 Air Rifle

1 Heckler and Koch MP-5

1 Sten submachine gun

Pistols and Revolvers

23 Beretta

13 Glock

8 Assorted Revolvers

6 Safari Arms

6 Assorted Pistols

5 Sig Sauer

5 Walther

2 Taurus

EXPLOSIVES

Hand Grenades

4 Live M-21 Practice Hand Grenades

100+ Modified M-21 Practice Hand Grenade bodies; the bodies of these had been threaded and plugged but lacked a main charge or fusing system.

11 M-69 Practice Hand Grenades; the bodies of these grenades exhibited indications of attempted modifications.

219 Grenade Safety Pins

243 Grenade Safety Levers

Rifle Grenades

200+ Inert M31 Practice Rifle Grenades.


FIREARMS ACCESSORIES AND PARTS

Silencers

21 Sound suppressors and silencers.

Flash Suppressors

18 Flash Suppressors.

Firearms Barrels

17 M-16/AR-15 Type (5.56 mm)

8 M-16/AR-15 Type (9mm caliber)

3 M-16/AR-15 Type (.45 ACP caliber)

1 M-16/AR-15 Type (5.56 mm)

2 Ruger. 22 Caliber

1 M-60 machine gun

1 12 Gauge Shotgun

1 Taurus, Model 92, 9mm pistol barrel

1 Sig Sauer 9mm pistol barrel

Pistol Slides

1 Sig Sauer Model

Revolver Parts

1 .38 Special caliber cylinder

Bolt Carriers

39 M-16

24 AR-15

2 MP-5

2 AK-47

1 FAL

1 Unknown

Bolts

15 AK-47

7 .22 LR conversion

3 M-16/AR-15

1 FN FAL (1)

Bolt Assemblies

3 M-11/Nine

2 M-16

1 AR-15

1 MAC-10

1 Shotgun

Recoil Springs and Guides

3 Glock

2 Sig Sauer

1 Beretta

1 M-11/Nine

Stripper Clips

29 Stripper Clips

Accessories

6 .22 LR Caliber Conversion Kits

Hammers

31 AK-47

18 M-16

12 AR-15

4 M-11/Nine

2 Sig Sauer

1 Beretta

Hammer Springs

3 AK-47

Buffer/Recoil Springs

36 M-16/AR-15

4 AK-47

Selector Switches

9 M-16

3 AR-15

1 Unknown

Sears

1 M-11/Nine

Auto Sears

8 AK-47

4 M-16

1 FN FAL

Auto Sear Springs

12 AK-47

Disconnects

7 AK-47

1 M-16

Trigger/Trigger Mechanisms/Trigger Housings

17 M-16

6 AR-15

3 M-60

3 M-11/Nine

2 MP-5

2 Sten

1 AK-47

1 Heckler & Koch

1 M-14

1 Smith & Wesson

1 Beretta

1 Shotgun

Ammunition Magazines

289 7.62 x 39mm AK-47 Type

248 .223/5.56 mm M-16/AR-15 Type

108 Sten Gun Type

88 .308 Caliber FN FAL Type

72 M-14 Type

61 Beretta Model Type 92

58 .308 Caliber of Unkown Type

28 Ruger Mini-14 Type

22 .22 Caliber

17 UZI Type

16 USAS-12 Type

13 .45 Caliber

11 Glock

11 MP-5

11 Sig Sauer P226/P228

9 Unknown Type

7 .308 Caliber Galil Type

6 Walther PPK

5 9mm Unknown Type

4 .50 Caliber

3 .30 Caliber U.S. Carbine

3 .380 Auto Caliber

2 9mm Smith & Wesson

1 AK-74 Type

1 Grendel

Ammunition Containers

220 Metal Boxes (Various Calibers)

15 Wooden Boxes (Various Calibers)

4 Buckets (Various Calibers)

1 Cardboard Boxes (Various Calibers)

Magazine Springs

360 M-16/AR-15

42 FN FAL .308 Caliber Type

35 AK-47

28 9mm Magazine Springs of Unknown Type

15 Unknown

10 M-14

6 M-1 Carbine

3 .50 Caliber

1 Mini-14 Magazine

1 Glock

These lists do not include dozens of other items recovered from the Compound such as dust covers, extractors, front and rear sights, gun cleaning equipment, bolt release levers, compensators, .50 caliber belt links and numerous other parts.

 

[Failzero]

There are single individual
collectors with collections that easily surpass that entire list

 

[JGalt]

There are single individual
collectors with collections that easily surpass that entire list

Well it's kind of funny that as I was watching the FBI raid on the Waco compound back then, I don't remember hearing any full-auto fire.

 

[Failzero]

Well it's kind of funny that as I was watching the FBI raid on the Waco compound back then, I don't remember hearing any full-auto fire.

I saw FA fire in the infamous “ Sweeping them off the rooftop “ video footage .

 

[The Duke]

7.62 NATO on full auto is bad enough, but think about those WW2 grunts having to manage a BAR with 30 caliber M2 ball? I can't even imagine trying to shoot 30-06 in full-auto, that had to hurt.

Those BARs are pretty heavy. The uhh "standard" method was they had a sling to hold it and you walk and fire.

 

[The Duke]

7.62 NATO on full auto is bad enough, but think about those WW2 grunts having to manage a BAR with 30 caliber M2 ball? I can't even imagine trying to shoot 30-06 in full-auto, that had to hurt.

The BAR is a big, heavy gun. They were usually fired from the hip while in a shoulder sling.

It's heavy enough to reduce recoil greatly.

 

[Failzero]

The BAR is a big, heavy gun. They were usually fired from the hip while in a shoulder sling.

It's heavy enough to reduce recoil greatly.

Yep Semi Auto versions are a big seller from Ohio Ordinance Works ( even though they cost as much as a decent used car )

 

[The Duke]

Yep Semi Auto versions are a big seller from Ohio Ordinance Works ( even though they cost as much as a decent used car )

The BAR I'd want has gold engraving on it and is made in Belgium.

Maybe $1300? Try to snipe a good used one.

Chances are they have very low use.

Like this:

BAR Mark II Safari - Semi-Auto Rifle - Browning

The autoloading BAR MK II Safari features a traditionally-styled walnut stock, hammer-forged barrel and a polished blued and engraved steel receiver. Reliable gas piston operation. Detachable box magazine.

www.browning.com

 

[Failzero]

The BAR I'd want has gold engraving on it and is made in Belgium.

Maybe $1300? Try to snipe a good used one.

Chances are they have very low use.

Your talking a different Animal ( Google a WW2 USGI BAR Rifle ) New Semi Auto Variants built on OG Parts kits are 6-13 K $

 

[The Duke]

Your talking a different Animal ( Google a WW2 USGI BAR Rifle ) New Semi Auto Variants built on OG Parts kits are 6-13 K $

Duh!