So Why All the Lying About Russia?

[jc456]

I want answers.

Once we have the report we'll see if there are answers

The answers have already told you that there was no collusion, obstruction, etc. It won't matter though. You can't handle the fact that you lost 2016.

there may not have been enough to convict on a charge of conspiracy... but trump HAS NOT been exonerated on OBSTRUCTION & saying he has is a big fat orange LIE.

Name me a prosecutor that has exonerated someone?

trump is saying that mueller has.

He basically has.....no prosecutor comes out and says soandso was exonerated....please show me that? Trump is right, he dealt with 3 years of bullshit like spying on his campaign(which you guys mocked, but he was RIGHT) and he didn't do shit.......not only him but NO AMERICAN helped Russia in ANY WAY........that's the closest you will ever get to a complete exoneration from a prosecutor.

correct. it is up to the populace to decide based on the evidence or lack of evidence in the report. And you know my position. no finding= exoneration. Cause, someone said he did it. and no, nothing to suggest that he did it. exonerate.

 

[jc456]

Nothing wrong with it, IF he had told us about it, instead of lying over and over again about it and many other Russian connections.

I've been a Realtor for 40+ years. Nothing on the level of the Great Donald Trump. You never, ever discuss a deal in the making. Word gets out and the price skyrockets. NO COLLUSION!

this election in 2016 was a MASSIVE, INTERFERENCE PLAN, run by the Russian government..... unlike anything they had ever done before.

PLEASE show us the MASSIVE INTERFERENCE PLAN. Please show where it was "unlike anything they had ever done before". So what? NO COLLUSION!

that's simply untrue, fact check it, the money spent in Israel was a support for a program, and all money was spent on this program, was spent PRIOR to Netanyahu ever announcing he was calling another election.... so it was NOT used to influence an election.... no one KNEW there would be an election.

Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu
Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Tuesday, July 12, 2016
The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded Tuesday.

Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu

Obama’s Meddling in Foreign Elections: Six Examples
by STEVE BALDWIN

June 14, 2017, 12:00 AM
[...]
Obama’s State Department gave $350,000 to a group called the “One Voice Movement (OVM),” for supporting “peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine.” However, the State Department then used leftover funds to organize an effort against Netanyahu’s reelection. OVM contracted out a group called “V15,” which in turned hired five campaign experts from the U.S., including Obama’s field director from his last presidential campaign. As the Weekly Standard’s Jim Swift wrote, “once the infrastructure was built, it was used in an attempt to topple the government of one of America’s closest allies.”
[...]
Obama’s Meddling in Foreign Elections: Six Examples | The American Spectator | Politics is too important to be taken seriously.

Nope! All the money spent by the USA for support for a 2 State solution was spent BEFORE Netanyahu called for an early election.

Did President Barack Obama spend U.S. taxpayer dollars trying to toss Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu out of office?

Blog claims U.S. funded anti-Netanyahu election effort in Israel
By Jon Greenberg on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015 at 12:12 p.m.

That’s a claim floating around conservative media websites in recent days. A conservative blog called Fire Andrea Mitchell was one of several to relay a Fox News report about alleged back-door funding in the recent Israeli elections. On March 16, 2015, the blogger wrote "Obama has been sending taxpayer dollars, at least $350,000 to fund anti-Likud, anti Netanyahu groups in Israel for tomorrow’s election."

Fox News said a congressional investigation into the matter is underway, and presidential contender Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, along with Rep. Lee Zeldin, R-N.Y., sent a letter about this to federal officials "to express our strong concerns over recent media reports."

What are the facts of the matter?

The basis of the claim

In September 2013, the State Department funded two projects run by OneVoice, a New York nonprofit. The OneVoice mission is clear -- to advance a two-state solution in Israel and the Palestinian territories.

"Through OneVoice, young grassroots activists in Israel and Palestine are equipped with the knowledge and skills to be heard as they build momentum and a constituency for the two-state solution locally and internationally," the organization wrote in its 2013 annual report.

Affiliates OneVoice Israel got $233,500 from the State Department to spend in Israel and OneVoice Palestine got another $115,776 to spend in the Palestinian Territories. That adds up to a little more than $349,000.

The question is: Do those contributions amount to funding "anti-Likud, anti-Netanyahu groups in Israel for tomorrow’s election"?

How OneVoice says the money was spent

Given that residents of the Palestinian Territories can’t vote in national Israeli elections, it’s hard to see how money spent there would influence voters in Israel. That leave us to account for $233,500.

Payton Knopf, senior director of global communications for OneVoice, said the money helped fund a series of "town-hall style meetings on university campuses and provided support to the Knesset Caucus for the Two-State Solution in organizing a meeting with 300 Israeli students and (Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud) Abbas in February 2014."

Knopf told us the State Department money was spent by November 2014 -- nearly four months ago. OneVoice, he said, never "spent any U.S. government funds in connection with the recent elections in Israel. Claims to the contrary are simply wrong."

There are two important points to unpack there. If OneVoice says it spent the money by November 2014, that would be before the Israeli elections were even scheduled. That happened in December after Netanyahu called for early elections.

The State Department said in a briefing that "no payment was made to OneVoice after November 2014."

That would contradict the way the claim in the blog was phrased. "Has been sending" says the money continues to flow. In this case the money was spent and disbursed months ago.

Second, while Netanyahu waffled on the notion of a two-state solution in the run-up to the Israeli elections, the prime minister had been on record supporting a two-state strategy in November and the months before it.


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Blog claims U.S. funded anti-Netanyahu election effort in Israel

I found the Senate investigation and again, there was no wrong doing by Obama and the State Department, though they suggest being more careful next time around, with restrictions on how the USA efforts could not be utilized for other purposes later on.

Senate report: State Dept. grant also aided campaign to unseat Netanyahu

Oh Politifact and of course they would be so honest about politics....we all know the fact checkers are as biased as the news they work for.........guys the jig is up......we know how the system works.

I guess we should all just believe Fox, Limbaugh & infowars. Right?

why?

 

[RealDave]

Wrong thread sock puppet.

Take your beating elsewhere

So you have nothing.

This is the correct thread. Your abject stuipdity is embarassing.

i'll tell you the same thing i've told another whackjob poster not too long ago:

so how many years ago was that exchange again? guess obama is running on CPT huh? when ARE those shenanigans you think are gonna happen anyway? i mean after all - he imposed sanctions on them thar roooskies, AND expelled roooskie spies, AND closed down their compounds. what has donny done? oh yea..... it took a veto act of congress to finally imposed even more stringent sanctions. & he didn't he just have one lifted against a russian?

why yes.... yes he did.

So...yes, Clinton sold Uranium rights to the Russians.

Thank you!

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

The House committee said they were investigating in 2017.

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

What did the other 8 members get?

 

[hadit]

I have yet to get an explanation for all the lies that Trump associates have told about Russian meeting.

I guess you'll have to ask them, as anything anyone on here says about motive is pure speculation. I can make something up if you'd like.

GHhaead. Let's see if it makes sense.

People lie for a reason. What reason was there for ALL those lies about Russian meetings?

1. Nunya business.
2. If there's no legal reason to demand details, none will be forthcoming.
3. Sunspots.
4. Go away kid, you're annoying me.
5. Sweaty boob rash.

Take your pick, since we're making stuff up. Let's face reality, you will accept NO rationale that does not implicate Trump in some nepharious scheme, correct?

 

[buckeye45_73]

The Mueller report is a shame, the investigation a fake at least in the end. I suppose it's possible Barr shut it down and dictated the conclusions, but I really think it was never meant to go anywhere to start with.

I think you're wrong.

I have a lot of faith in Mueller. He may be a Republican but he is a serious and principled investigator. I doubt that he approached his investigation as a "get Trump" task but I have no doubt he was serious about it.

We don't KNOW what he found.

All we have is Barr's bullshit 4 page memo ...supposedly summarizing 2 years worth of investigation in less than 48 hours.

Barr did what he was hired to do. We need to see the Report.

Trump has been "exonerated" but Graham & the rest will do anything in their power to stop Mueller's report from seeing the light of day. Personally I kinda hope they succeed, thereby casting more suspicion on Trump & causing voters in 2020 to wonder just what the hell their hiding from the American people.

Be careful what ya wish for, Trumptards, you just may get it!

Are you high?
So where did Graham say that...give us a link
And again, when the report is released, it's just going to disappoint you .........there was ZERO evidence of collusion.......what are you hoping to find?

 

[buckeye45_73]

So you have nothing.

This is the correct thread. Your abject stuipdity is embarassing.

i'll tell you the same thing i've told another whackjob poster not too long ago:

so how many years ago was that exchange again? guess obama is running on CPT huh? when ARE those shenanigans you think are gonna happen anyway? i mean after all - he imposed sanctions on them thar roooskies, AND expelled roooskie spies, AND closed down their compounds. what has donny done? oh yea..... it took a veto act of congress to finally imposed even more stringent sanctions. & he didn't he just have one lifted against a russian?

why yes.... yes he did.

So...yes, Clinton sold Uranium rights to the Russians.

Thank you!

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

The House committee said they were investigating in 2017.

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

What did the other 8 members get?

List the other 8 members......we'll see

 

[buckeye45_73]

Let's face facts. Not only was Hitlery caught using a private server, but she was using that server to pass along TS information.

HOGWASH

no such thing was ever said, nor was she ever in a million years accused of such.

You are such a liar.

Of course she's been accused of it, you ******* liar. Over and over and over again.

And yes, it has been said. Over and over and over again.

******* lying piece of filth.

"An FBI examination of Clinton's server found over 100 emails containing classified information, including 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret". An additional 2,093 emails not marked classified were retroactively classified by the State Department."

Hillary Clinton email controversy - Wikipedia

She did not use her server to pass along top secret information to the enemy or in any kind of espionage way... her staff, who are the ones who were passing secret information back and forth about the drone program, all had TOP SECRET clearance.... they passed this information from their emails, to her.... in some cases, 2 years of them sending emails along to each other before they ever even sent it to her.

And yes, her staff was sending emails back and forth on secret info, but NONE of it was taken from its Proper Place.... none was from the gvt's top secret/secret files and server that held them, it was her staff simply discussing things....with each other.... loose lips for certain, but not taken from some secure server.

Ok, then why did she have a makeshift server in her basement and ignore tons of DoS protocol with devices and other stuff? Let me guess, Chelsea's wedding plans were that much of a secret....Jesus you guys will believe ANYTHING they say....you have NO CRITICAL THINKING skills at all.

 

[sartre play]

Hillary spent 11 hours answering questions, Trump would not even meet with Muller. Just many unanswered questions. We have a dishonest government, the truth has been murdered, booth sides lack basic honesty. our fault ? think yes.

 

[buckeye45_73]

So you have nothing.

This is the correct thread. Your abject stuipdity is embarassing.

i'll tell you the same thing i've told another whackjob poster not too long ago:

so how many years ago was that exchange again? guess obama is running on CPT huh? when ARE those shenanigans you think are gonna happen anyway? i mean after all - he imposed sanctions on them thar roooskies, AND expelled roooskie spies, AND closed down their compounds. what has donny done? oh yea..... it took a veto act of congress to finally imposed even more stringent sanctions. & he didn't he just have one lifted against a russian?

why yes.... yes he did.

So...yes, Clinton sold Uranium rights to the Russians.

Thank you!

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

So where does Mueller say that Trump did not collude??? I thought it said they found no evidence of collusion.

Can you gusy do a Google search at all? Jesus the left is lazy as ****......no wonder you are all on welfare. And no wonder you vote for the left, you don't try to find anything out.....
Mueller was clear in finding no collusion, but punted on the matter of obstruction

On coordination with the Russians, special counsel Robert Mueller was clear, according to the attorney general's letter to Congress Sunday: He did not find "that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

Based on that, Barr, along with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, decided that the evidence collected by Mueller did not establish that Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice.

I mean he didn't do it, we all knew it......can you guys THINK for once? Look at multiple sources....I just posted NBC......a source I hate....but I do look at their stuff in case my side is full of shit.......which it rarely is.....

you guys really are in the Matrix......just sitting there sucking up what Rachel Maddow says and that's it.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Hillary spent 11 hours answering questions, Trump would not even meet with Muller. Just many unanswered questions. We have a dishonest government, the truth has been murdered, booth sides lack basic honesty. our fault ? think yes.

Why he did nothing wrong......you just want to entrap him in some bullshit obstruction charge.......he didn't meet with Mueller and Mueller clear him...it was smart and he did nothing.......

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you have nothing.

This is the correct thread. Your abject stuipdity is embarassing.

i'll tell you the same thing i've told another whackjob poster not too long ago:

so how many years ago was that exchange again? guess obama is running on CPT huh? when ARE those shenanigans you think are gonna happen anyway? i mean after all - he imposed sanctions on them thar roooskies, AND expelled roooskie spies, AND closed down their compounds. what has donny done? oh yea..... it took a veto act of congress to finally imposed even more stringent sanctions. & he didn't he just have one lifted against a russian?

why yes.... yes he did.

So...yes, Clinton sold Uranium rights to the Russians.

Thank you!

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

The House committee said they were investigating in 2017.

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

What did the other 8 members get?

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

Why do you think the bribes were only for that?

 

[jc456]

Hillary spent 11 hours answering questions, Trump would not even meet with Muller. Just many unanswered questions. We have a dishonest government, the truth has been murdered, booth sides lack basic honesty. our fault ? think yes.

she did something that was a crime.

 

[RealDave]

i'll tell you the same thing i've told another whackjob poster not too long ago:

so how many years ago was that exchange again? guess obama is running on CPT huh? when ARE those shenanigans you think are gonna happen anyway? i mean after all - he imposed sanctions on them thar roooskies, AND expelled roooskie spies, AND closed down their compounds. what has donny done? oh yea..... it took a veto act of congress to finally imposed even more stringent sanctions. & he didn't he just have one lifted against a russian?

why yes.... yes he did.

So...yes, Clinton sold Uranium rights to the Russians.

Thank you!

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

The House committee said they were investigating in 2017.

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

What did the other 8 members get?

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

Why do you think the bribes were only for that?

So what did the other 8 get???

What else were the "bribes" for? Lessen sanctions on Russia? Permission to build a Clinton Tower? Get low interst loans from Russian banks?

 

[RealDave]

Hillary spent 11 hours answering questions, Trump would not even meet with Muller. Just many unanswered questions. We have a dishonest government, the truth has been murdered, booth sides lack basic honesty. our fault ? think yes.

she did something that was a crime.

What?

 

[RealDave]

i'll tell you the same thing i've told another whackjob poster not too long ago:

so how many years ago was that exchange again? guess obama is running on CPT huh? when ARE those shenanigans you think are gonna happen anyway? i mean after all - he imposed sanctions on them thar roooskies, AND expelled roooskie spies, AND closed down their compounds. what has donny done? oh yea..... it took a veto act of congress to finally imposed even more stringent sanctions. & he didn't he just have one lifted against a russian?

why yes.... yes he did.

So...yes, Clinton sold Uranium rights to the Russians.

Thank you!

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

So where does Mueller say that Trump did not collude??? I thought it said they found no evidence of collusion.

Can you gusy do a Google search at all? Jesus the left is lazy as ****......no wonder you are all on welfare. And no wonder you vote for the left, you don't try to find anything out.....
Mueller was clear in finding no collusion, but punted on the matter of obstruction

On coordination with the Russians, special counsel Robert Mueller was clear, according to the attorney general's letter to Congress Sunday: He did not find "that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

Based on that, Barr, along with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, decided that the evidence collected by Mueller did not establish that Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice.

I mean he didn't do it, we all knew it......can you guys THINK for once? Look at multiple sources....I just posted NBC......a source I hate....but I do look at their stuff in case my side is full of shit.......which it rarely is.....

you guys really are in the Matrix......just sitting there sucking up what Rachel Maddow says and that's it.

Muelerr said that "did not find...", not that Trump didn't.

 

[RealDave]

Let's face facts. Not only was Hitlery caught using a private server, but she was using that server to pass along TS information.

HOGWASH

no such thing was ever said, nor was she ever in a million years accused of such.

You are such a liar.

Of course she's been accused of it, you ******* liar. Over and over and over again.

And yes, it has been said. Over and over and over again.

******* lying piece of filth.

"An FBI examination of Clinton's server found over 100 emails containing classified information, including 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret". An additional 2,093 emails not marked classified were retroactively classified by the State Department."

Hillary Clinton email controversy - Wikipedia

She did not use her server to pass along top secret information to the enemy or in any kind of espionage way... her staff, who are the ones who were passing secret information back and forth about the drone program, all had TOP SECRET clearance.... they passed this information from their emails, to her.... in some cases, 2 years of them sending emails along to each other before they ever even sent it to her.

And yes, her staff was sending emails back and forth on secret info, but NONE of it was taken from its Proper Place.... none was from the gvt's top secret/secret files and server that held them, it was her staff simply discussing things....with each other.... loose lips for certain, but not taken from some secure server.

Ok, then why did she have a makeshift server in her basement and ignore tons of DoS protocol with devices and other stuff? Let me guess, Chelsea's wedding plans were that much of a secret....Jesus you guys will believe ANYTHING they say....you have NO CRITICAL THINKING skills at all.

Why was it make-shift?

No evidence it was hacked.

 

[RealDave]

i'll tell you the same thing i've told another whackjob poster not too long ago:

so how many years ago was that exchange again? guess obama is running on CPT huh? when ARE those shenanigans you think are gonna happen anyway? i mean after all - he imposed sanctions on them thar roooskies, AND expelled roooskie spies, AND closed down their compounds. what has donny done? oh yea..... it took a veto act of congress to finally imposed even more stringent sanctions. & he didn't he just have one lifted against a russian?

why yes.... yes he did.

So...yes, Clinton sold Uranium rights to the Russians.

Thank you!

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

The House committee said they were investigating in 2017.

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

What did the other 8 members get?

List the other 8 members......we'll see

<Look them up yourself.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So...yes, Clinton sold Uranium rights to the Russians.

Thank you!

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

The House committee said they were investigating in 2017.

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

What did the other 8 members get?

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

Why do you think the bribes were only for that?

So what did the other 8 get???

What else were the "bribes" for? Lessen sanctions on Russia? Permission to build a Clinton Tower? Get low interst loans from Russian banks?

What else were the "bribes" for?

Everyone and their uncle were buying access to the next President.
Why do you think she needed the private server?

 

[RealDave]

The Mueller report is a shame, the investigation a fake at least in the end. I suppose it's possible Barr shut it down and dictated the conclusions, but I really think it was never meant to go anywhere to start with.

I think you're wrong.

I have a lot of faith in Mueller. He may be a Republican but he is a serious and principled investigator. I doubt that he approached his investigation as a "get Trump" task but I have no doubt he was serious about it.

We don't KNOW what he found.

All we have is Barr's bullshit 4 page memo ...supposedly summarizing 2 years worth of investigation in less than 48 hours.

Barr did what he was hired to do. We need to see the Report.

Trump has been "exonerated" but Graham & the rest will do anything in their power to stop Mueller's report from seeing the light of day. Personally I kinda hope they succeed, thereby casting more suspicion on Trump & causing voters in 2020 to wonder just what the hell their hiding from the American people.

Be careful what ya wish for, Trumptards, you just may get it!

Are you high?
So where did Graham say that...give us a link
And again, when the report is released, it's just going to disappoint you .........there was ZERO evidence of collusion.......what are you hoping to find?

This will be a shocker, but people listen to the news, read articles & stuff & they learn shit. You should try it sometime.

 

[RealDave]

uranium one - - - debunked.

but i was talking about obama's so called 'incriminating' video.

Debunked? how? the collusion story was debunked, there was a real investigation and you got nothing.....show me the investigation into Uranium One?

The House committee said they were investigating in 2017.

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

What did the other 8 members get?

So, you claim Hillarty was bribed for your approval vote on the foreign investments committee.

Why do you think the bribes were only for that?

So what did the other 8 get???

What else were the "bribes" for? Lessen sanctions on Russia? Permission to build a Clinton Tower? Get low interst loans from Russian banks?

What else were the "bribes" for?

Everyone and their uncle were buying access to the next President.
Why do you think she needed the private server?

Why does Trtumnp user his personal cell phone to speak to Putin., Why do the Trump brats use their private emails to do iountry business Now illegal). Why did Bush & Cheey & Rummy use the RNC emails?

All of those things take special effort. Clinton just wanted one email address.

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