So Much for Gaza Being a Concentration Camp

[Shusha]

Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world

Yeah no. Macau, Monaco, Singapore, Hong Kong and Gibralter all have higher population densities. And quality of life is not measured in population density. Nothing but a red herring to demonize Israel.

 

[Shusha]

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go.

Um. They don't have to GO anywhere. Just stop calling them refugees and treat them like citizens of Gaza. But then you wouldn't be able to blame Israel any more and would have to blame their own government.

 

[Shusha]

Hamas does not have the authority a sovereign nation should have,

And the REASON they don't have it is because they can't manage the fundamental requirement for sovereignty, entrenched in the UN Charter. Any idea what that is?

 

[Shusha]

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

I absolutely deny that.

 

[toomuchtime_]

https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/03/23/us-professor-amazed-at-wealth-in-gaza-city-notes-900-mosques-only-2-libraries/

Okay? What, you trying to get applause for the perseverance of an occupied people that are under constant blockade, border closures, and no right to self-determination?

all the millions$$$ given to the people in charge [abbass/hamass] - and NONE of the money is used to ......get rid of "refugee camps." bulloney. there doesn't have to be a....concentra.... - i mean refugee camp. [how many are there now?]....these Camps are used for show, for propaganda purposes. they have the means to do away with the camps - they just need the right people to do the right thing $$ to get rid of them and that ain't going to happen with Hamasssssssss and abassssssss being handed the millions$$$ from DONORS...... that's how joe world public feels about it.....one self-centered guy, abbasssssss, and Terrorists, GIVEN $$$$ to run the post office and things......pathetic.

WRONG! Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world, and that is because Israel has illegally taken the land away from millions of Palestinians and forced them to live in these concentration camps like Gaza.

Abbas and Hamas only get a few hundred million a years, which is not even enough to pay for sanitation and water. While Israel is gifted over $5 billion a year by the US.

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go. All of Gaza and the West Bank are way over crowded already. The Palestinians are about 12 million natives forced to live on 20% of their land, while the invading 6 million Jewish immigrants occupy 80% of the Palestinian land.

lol And the moon is made of green cheese.

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

The term Palestinian referred to anyone who lived in the Mandate area, including non Arabs until Israel became a state, and the land was under Ottoman Turkish jurisdiction for five hundred years before WWI, so the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians never owned or occupied all the land. Gaza is densely populated but Judea and Samaria, what you call the West Bank, is not. The Arabs have all of Gaza and 43% of Judea and Samaria, and while conditions are difficult for many of the people, these conditions are entirely the result of their leaderships which have consistently refused to live in peace with the Jews. The status quo will not change in the foreseeable future because there is not political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel.

 

[Shusha]

This ^^.

Also, again:

Land ownership is not equivalent to sovereignty.

 

[Rigby5]

no right to self-determination?

Didn't they elect Hamas as their leadership?

Hamas does not have the authority a sovereign nation should have, such as freedom of access to foreign trade, and even the right to fish in territorial waters. Israel denies them self determination at every item. Israel denies Hamas the ability to give Palestinians self determination. Israel won't even allow Gaza to reopen the airport.

Do You think if Israel let Hamas open an airport, Egypt does as well?
Get some grip.

What does the fact Egypt is controlled by a US back military dictatorship have to do with anything?

 

[Rigby5]

Has my government pledged fealty to Lebanon?

Now about all of those Global Religion based conflicts...
Please elaborate on Gaza as opposed to everywhere else.
And don’t forget about China building artificial islands to take sovereignty over it’s neighbors.
I’m sure there will be a bloodless solution.

At least you’re acknowledging it is all stupidly based on magical beliefs

It’s based on teaching hate to children from the moment they’re born and being willing to use them as shields.

You don't have to teach hatred when the Palestinian children see Israeli soldiers beat and shoot innocent people at least every week or so.
It is obvious to every Palestinian child because they can see it besides being able to read about how their country and homes were invaded and taken over by European Jewish immigrants.

Why spend all that money on infrastructure when you can build state of the art tunnels into Egypt and Israel?
You lose.

That makes no sense.
The whole point is that the Palestinians do not have hardly any money at all, much less to spend on infrastructure, because they are blockaded by Israel.
The tunnels cost nothing and instead are a means of income from smuggling.
Nor do the tunnels have anything to do with Hamas.

 

[Rigby5]

Okay? What, you trying to get applause for the perseverance of an occupied people that are under constant blockade, border closures, and no right to self-determination?

all the millions$$$ given to the people in charge [abbass/hamass] - and NONE of the money is used to ......get rid of "refugee camps." bulloney. there doesn't have to be a....concentra.... - i mean refugee camp. [how many are there now?]....these Camps are used for show, for propaganda purposes. they have the means to do away with the camps - they just need the right people to do the right thing $$ to get rid of them and that ain't going to happen with Hamasssssssss and abassssssss being handed the millions$$$ from DONORS...... that's how joe world public feels about it.....one self-centered guy, abbasssssss, and Terrorists, GIVEN $$$$ to run the post office and things......pathetic.

WRONG! Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world, and that is because Israel has illegally taken the land away from millions of Palestinians and forced them to live in these concentration camps like Gaza.

Abbas and Hamas only get a few hundred million a years, which is not even enough to pay for sanitation and water. While Israel is gifted over $5 billion a year by the US.

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go. All of Gaza and the West Bank are way over crowded already. The Palestinians are about 12 million natives forced to live on 20% of their land, while the invading 6 million Jewish immigrants occupy 80% of the Palestinian land.

lol And the moon is made of green cheese.

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

Or the settlement of Jordan...is that why every time they mention Ottoman deeds they refuse to present knowing how much land was stolen from Jews in those records?

Maybe that's why You don't have any problem with Arabs demanding domination over the whole region while Jews are forced into a tiny reservation, less than 1% of the territory in the entire middle east.

That is just a lie.
Jews always were protected and prospered under Islam.
That is why Jews take high paying jobs from Islamic leaders, like to be Viziers in the Iberian Peninsula.
All these Muslim nations you showed a map of never, ever harmed any Jew or confiscated any property. The Jews voluntarily sneaked out of these countries and illegally headed for Israel where they were promised free homes stolen from the native Palestinians.
Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.
Jews left the Mideast around 160 AD, and there has never been any sort of significant Mideast presence until after 1930 or so.
In 1920, the Jewish population of what became Israel later, was less than 5% Jewish.
There was very little Jewish Population in the Mideast for nearly two centuries.
The current Jewish population of Israel is almost entirely European.
And once again, it is important to remind everyone that you are a liar.

 

[fncceo]

Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.

Here's a little list to get you started...

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia

 

[Rigby5]

no right to self-determination?

Didn't they elect Hamas as their leadership?

Hamas does not have the authority a sovereign nation should have, such as freedom of access to foreign trade, and even the right to fish in territorial waters. Israel denies them self determination at every item. Israel denies Hamas the ability to give Palestinians self determination. Israel won't even allow Gaza to reopen the airport.

Hamas, the elected leadership of the Gaza Palestinians, is waging a declared war against Israel.

Despite that, Israel sends tens of thousands of tons of food and fuel aid to Gaza and tens of thousands of Palestinians receive free medical treatment in Israeli hospitals.

How much aid did the US give Germany and Japan in the middle of the Second world war?

Wrong.
Hamas NEVER declared war on Israel, and in fact, acknowledged Israel's right to exist about 30 years ago.
You are just lying.
Israel sends absolutely NO food or fuel at all to Gaza, but instead only allows a tiny portion of the food and fuel that Gaza buys, to get through. And even that they heavily tax.
And no, Palestinians do NOT get medical treatment at Israeli hospitals.
In fact, Israelis Arabs are banned from Israeli hospitals, and have to get treatment from other sources.

This has no similarity at all to WWII where Germany and Japan started the hostilities, because the Arabs never had any weapons or troops, and never started anything. This is just deliberate genocide of the Palestinian civilians by well armed, Zionist, fanatic invaders.

 

[fncceo]

A little extra light reading for you ...

"In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam because of a common belief that their Jewishness was impure. However, as it became known that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret and because the treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews, in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, although they were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing.[29]

In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue, and destroyed the Torah scrolls. The Jews themselves were violently forced to convert, narrowly avoiding complete massacre.[28] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[30][31] In 1839, the Allahdad incident, the Jews of Mashhad, Iran, now known as the Mashhadi Jews, were coerced into converting to Islam.[32]

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote of Persian Jews:

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."

-- Source (Wikipedia)

History of the Jews under Muslim rule - Wikipedia

 

[Rigby5]

Okay? What, you trying to get applause for the perseverance of an occupied people that are under constant blockade, border closures, and no right to self-determination?

all the millions$$$ given to the people in charge [abbass/hamass] - and NONE of the money is used to ......get rid of "refugee camps." bulloney. there doesn't have to be a....concentra.... - i mean refugee camp. [how many are there now?]....these Camps are used for show, for propaganda purposes. they have the means to do away with the camps - they just need the right people to do the right thing $$ to get rid of them and that ain't going to happen with Hamasssssssss and abassssssss being handed the millions$$$ from DONORS...... that's how joe world public feels about it.....one self-centered guy, abbasssssss, and Terrorists, GIVEN $$$$ to run the post office and things......pathetic.

WRONG! Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world, and that is because Israel has illegally taken the land away from millions of Palestinians and forced them to live in these concentration camps like Gaza.

Abbas and Hamas only get a few hundred million a years, which is not even enough to pay for sanitation and water. While Israel is gifted over $5 billion a year by the US.

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go. All of Gaza and the West Bank are way over crowded already. The Palestinians are about 12 million natives forced to live on 20% of their land, while the invading 6 million Jewish immigrants occupy 80% of the Palestinian land.

lol And the moon is made of green cheese.

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

The term Palestinian referred to anyone who lived in the Mandate area, including non Arabs until Israel became a state, and the land was under Ottoman Turkish jurisdiction for five hundred years before WWI, so the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians never owned or occupied all the land. Gaza is densely populated but Judea and Samaria, what you call the West Bank, is not. The Arabs have all of Gaza and 43% of Judea and Samaria, and while conditions are difficult for many of the people, these conditions are entirely the result of their leaderships which have consistently refused to live in peace with the Jews. The status quo will not change in the foreseeable future because there is not political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel.

Wrong.
The Ottoman Empire owned the entire country known as Palestine, but each and every parcel of land was also owned privately and there were deeds and bills of sale to prove it.

You are also wrong that where the Arabs are forced to concentrate in the West Bank is not also somewhat crowded.
You also fail to admit that these Palestinians at one times owned and occupied all of Israel and Palestine, and now have been illegally forced onto less than 20% of their legal land.

It is also wrong to blame the Palestinians at all, in any way.
The Jews were the ones who always broke the peace.
It started way back in the 1920s, when armed Jews murdered unarmed Arabs.
The whole 1948 war started because Zionist gangs started massacring Arab villages, like Dier Yassin.
It so happened that Albert Einstein witnessed this massacre, and wrote about it. Look it up,.

The lack of peace has always been the fault of the Zionists because they not only never gave back any stolen land as they promised, but they constantly illegally confiscate more for new illegal Jewish settlements. There is absolutely no doubt who is totally at fault. And it is entirely and completely Israel. It is clearly they want genocide and all of the land in Palestine.

 

[Rigby5]

Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.

Here's a little list to get you started...

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia

Total and complete lies.
It is easy to prove, because if there was any sort of danger from Arabs, then all those 5 million European Jews would not have emigrated to Palestine.
They were offered free land in dozens of alternatives, ranging from Spain to Madagascar, but they preferred Palestine because they felt safer in an Arab Muslim area with the well known ties between Jews and Muslims.

And your list is pretty silly really, since they not only are almost all outside of Palestine, but mostly are the responses and outrage at what the Zionists were doing to the Palestinians. Riots against Zionism were warranted after the murder and abuse of unarmed Palestinians by well armed Zionists.

 

[fncceo]

because the Arabs never had any weapons or troops, and never started anything.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

This Rigby lives in an alternate universe it seems.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Under Islam it is illegal to abuse or steal land from Jews, it never happened, and you are just a liar.

Here's a little list to get you started...

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims - Wikipedia

Total and complete lies.
It is easy to prove, because if there was any sort of danger from Arabs, then all those 5 million European Jews would not have emigrated to Palestine.
They were offered free land in dozens of alternatives, ranging from Spain to Madagascar, but they preferred Palestine because they felt safer in an Arab Muslim area with the well known ties between Jews and Muslims.

And your list is pretty silly really, since they not only are almost all outside of Palestine, but mostly are the responses and outrage at what the Zionists were doing to the Palestinians. Riots against Zionism were warranted after the murder and abuse of unarmed Palestinians by well armed Zionists.

Jews are the real Palestinians. Romans called them Philistines as an insult when Rome conquered Israel. Are you one of those that believes that the Soviet Union provoked Germany in WW2 and that the US was the real aggressor against Japan? Come on man.

 

[Indeependent]

Now about all of those Global Religion based conflicts...
Please elaborate on Gaza as opposed to everywhere else.
And don’t forget about China building artificial islands to take sovereignty over it’s neighbors.
I’m sure there will be a bloodless solution.

At least you’re acknowledging it is all stupidly based on magical beliefs

It’s based on teaching hate to children from the moment they’re born and being willing to use them as shields.

You don't have to teach hatred when the Palestinian children see Israeli soldiers beat and shoot innocent people at least every week or so.
It is obvious to every Palestinian child because they can see it besides being able to read about how their country and homes were invaded and taken over by European Jewish immigrants.

Why spend all that money on infrastructure when you can build state of the art tunnels into Egypt and Israel?
You lose.

That makes no sense.
The whole point is that the Palestinians do not have hardly any money at all, much less to spend on infrastructure, because they are blockaded by Israel.
The tunnels cost nothing and instead are a means of income from smuggling.
Nor do the tunnels have anything to do with Hamas.

They are given billions every year and Hamas spent it on tunnels.

 

[Hollie]

no right to self-determination?

Didn't they elect Hamas as their leadership?

Hamas does not have the authority a sovereign nation should have, such as freedom of access to foreign trade, and even the right to fish in territorial waters. Israel denies them self determination at every item. Israel denies Hamas the ability to give Palestinians self determination. Israel won't even allow Gaza to reopen the airport.

Do You think if Israel let Hamas open an airport, Egypt does as well?
Get some grip.

What does the fact Egypt is controlled by a US back military dictatorship have to do with anything?

all the millions$$$ given to the people in charge [abbass/hamass] - and NONE of the money is used to ......get rid of "refugee camps." bulloney. there doesn't have to be a....concentra.... - i mean refugee camp. [how many are there now?]....these Camps are used for show, for propaganda purposes. they have the means to do away with the camps - they just need the right people to do the right thing $$ to get rid of them and that ain't going to happen with Hamasssssssss and abassssssss being handed the millions$$$ from DONORS...... that's how joe world public feels about it.....one self-centered guy, abbasssssss, and Terrorists, GIVEN $$$$ to run the post office and things......pathetic.

WRONG! Gaza has the highest population concentration in the world, and that is because Israel has illegally taken the land away from millions of Palestinians and forced them to live in these concentration camps like Gaza.

Abbas and Hamas only get a few hundred million a years, which is not even enough to pay for sanitation and water. While Israel is gifted over $5 billion a year by the US.

And the Palestinians can't get rid of the refugee camps because there is no where for the refugees to go. All of Gaza and the West Bank are way over crowded already. The Palestinians are about 12 million natives forced to live on 20% of their land, while the invading 6 million Jewish immigrants occupy 80% of the Palestinian land.

lol And the moon is made of green cheese.

Do you deny that the Palestinians who used to own and occupy all of Palestine, are now illegally forced into just small settlements in Gaza and the West Bank?

The term Palestinian referred to anyone who lived in the Mandate area, including non Arabs until Israel became a state, and the land was under Ottoman Turkish jurisdiction for five hundred years before WWI, so the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians never owned or occupied all the land. Gaza is densely populated but Judea and Samaria, what you call the West Bank, is not. The Arabs have all of Gaza and 43% of Judea and Samaria, and while conditions are difficult for many of the people, these conditions are entirely the result of their leaderships which have consistently refused to live in peace with the Jews. The status quo will not change in the foreseeable future because there is not political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel.

Wrong.
The Ottoman Empire owned the entire country known as Palestine, but each and every parcel of land was also owned privately and there were deeds and bills of sale to prove it.

You are also wrong that where the Arabs are forced to concentrate in the West Bank is not also somewhat crowded.
You also fail to admit that these Palestinians at one times owned and occupied all of Israel and Palestine, and now have been illegally forced onto less than 20% of their legal land.

It is also wrong to blame the Palestinians at all, in any way.
The Jews were the ones who always broke the peace.
It started way back in the 1920s, when armed Jews murdered unarmed Arabs.
The whole 1948 war started because Zionist gangs started massacring Arab villages, like Dier Yassin.
It so happened that Albert Einstein witnessed this massacre, and wrote about it. Look it up,.

The lack of peace has always been the fault of the Zionists because they not only never gave back any stolen land as they promised, but they constantly illegally confiscate more for new illegal Jewish settlements. There is absolutely no doubt who is totally at fault. And it is entirely and completely Israel. It is clearly they want genocide and all of the land in Palestine.

The “country of “Pally’land“?

Is this what you learn at your madrassah?

 

[member]

Who controls the airspace, land crossings, territorial waters, and passport processing of Gaza? Is Gaza a sovereign entity, with control over its own territory? The UN considers it occupied, the last vote expressing that opinion unanimously.

Are you suggesting they are not occupied just because Israel stopped stealing their land a few years ago?

What land did Israel steal?

The settlements they themselves dismantled. Omg how do you have sooo little info? You’re a regular in this subforum, and somehow I know more than you? Have you never bothered to go look anything up?

I think you mean settlements on land that the Arabs-Moslems want for some imagined future Islamic settlement.

What land, specifically, was Arab-Moslem land that was stolen by Israel?

No, that’s not what I meant. I meant THE SETTLEMENTS THEY THEMSELVES DISMANTLED. Are you stupid?

So... I’m trying to give you an opportunity to define, specifically, what Arab-Moslem land was stolen by Israel. Identify the land subdivision line that is the demarcation.

isn't this mr. more's specialty ? that's More, TinMore.....