Single-payer HC plan IS the answer......

[Anathema]

One last time.......

Single-payer national health insurance, also known as “Medicare for all,” is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency collects payments........but the delivery of care remains largely in private hands.

Ok. Sorry, but I'm still not interested. Medical care is NOT a responsibility of the Federal Government (see Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution and Amendment X to the same document) and never shoild be.

 

[Redfish]

of course it is. the payer is the US government. No one else pays the VA. Do you understand what the words "single payer" mean, gnat?

Mr. Tuna, you are an idiot......

Veterans HAVE already paid for the health care through sacrificing their limbs and often, their minds through their military service.

So, yes, the VA health care is strictly the responsibility of our government to spend the tax dollars to take care of them.

sure, our vets have "paid" with their service. But in the context of single payer (as all intelligent humans understand the meaning of those words) it means that the only (single) payer of money for vets medical care is the government.

your attempt at convoluted logic just confirms my nickname for you------------gnat.

 

[Redfish]

Single payer suggests to me that the Government is paying all the bills.

One last time.......

Single-payer national health insurance, also known as “Medicare for all,” is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency collects payments........but the delivery of care remains largely in private hands.

the delivery is based on payments, doctors, hospitals, and drug companies do not work for free. They will deliver their services to who and when the government pays them to do so.

So your medical care will be determined by some GS7 clerk with an IQ of 25 in a cubicle in DC. Does that make you sleep well?

 

[2aguy]

I heard healthcare talk on the radio this morning......in many places the least expensive obamacare plan is 1,000 dollars a month and with about a 6-7,000 dollar deductible...which is essentially paying for healthcare you can't use and you can't afford....

Obamacare is going to fail, and obamacare is going to leave 320 million Americans without healthcare......

 

[nat4900]

Obamacare is going to fail, and obamacare is going to leave 320 million Americans without healthcare......

Sure.....Let the ACA fail.......and with your fucked up elected ilk with their fingers up their asses.....and in COMPLETE control of government....they'll be "forgiven"....
Lets see what happens when...as you say......320 million Americans are without insurance.....
That should be interesting, don't you think, moron????....LOL

 

[Hutch Starskey]

In what way is single payer a "hand out"?

Do you have to do anything other thsn show up with valid citizenship to get it?... Nope.

That makes it either a Right or a handout. Since we all know the US Constitution never indicates and Right to healthcare and a basic history lesson shows thst healthcare was never considered a Right until very recently... It must be a handout.

You have to pay for it, fool. Who ever said it was free?

its what you libs assume--------------that it will be free for you because you don't work and pay no taxes. You assholes assume that only the evil rich will have to pay. But you assume that because you are too stupid to understand how it really works in places like Sweden. Everyone pays--------------there is no minimum income for paying taxes, and the taxes are around 65% of your gross income. Socialism does not work, never has, never will.

No has said it would or should be free except you and your retarded brethren.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You have to pay for it, fool. Who ever said it was free?

Single payer suggests to me that the Government is paying all the bills.

If thsts incorrect, then who are the premiums being paid to, and by whom?

Maybe you should learn what it is rather than share what you think it is.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Obamacare is going to fail, and obamacare is going to leave 320 million Americans without healthcare......

Sure.....Let the ACA fail.......and with your fucked up elected ilk with their fingers up their asses.....and in COMPLETE control of government....they'll be "forgiven"....
Lets see what happens when...as you say......320 million Americans are without insurance.....
That should be interesting, don't you think, moron????....LOL

320,000,000???

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I heard healthcare talk on the radio this morning......in many places the least expensive obamacare plan is 1,000 dollars a month and with about a 6-7,000 dollar deductible...which is essentially paying for healthcare you can't use and you can't afford....

Obamacare is going to fail, and obamacare is going to leave 320 million Americans without healthcare......

Where are those many places and what drives the cost of those premiums?

 

[nat4900]

320,000,000???

take it up with your fellow nitwit 2guy who came up with that stupidity LOL

 

[Markle]

Is the question, 'How most quickly to get the federal deficit to 20 Trillion?'

Here, mull this over:

United States

> Health expenditure per capita: $8,713
> Expenditure as a pct. of GDP: 16.4%
> Obesity rate: 35.3%
> Life expectancy: 78.8

VERSUS

Sweden

> Health expenditure per capita: $4,904
> Expenditure as a pct. of GDP: 11.0%
> Obesity rate: 11.7%
> Life expectancy: 82.0

Countries spending the most on health care

Comparing a country with a smaller population than New York City with a population of 330 MILLION is just foolish.

Yes, the obesity rate is hugely different. Has nothing whatsoever to do with healthcare and everything to do with diet. Our diet is terrible and widely diverse. We also get a little exercise. Swedes eat a great deal of seafood. Much of their transportation is on cross country skis and snowshoes.

As for Life Expectancy, the life expectancy in Minnesota is 81.1 and 81.2 for whites only. As you know, much of the population of Minnesota is of Scandinavian descent. Until the recent refugee problem, Sweden is virtually 100 white. Life expectancy for Sweden: Life expectancy at birth: 81.18 years, Wow, go figure.

Demographics of Sweden - Wikipedia

Talk:Demographics of Sweden - Wikipedia

Demographics of Minnesota - Wikipedia

Nice try.

Now their taxes:

Sweden[edit]
See also: Taxation in Sweden
In 2010, the Swedish social security contribution paid by the employer is 31.42 percent, calculated on top of the employee's salary. The percentage is lower for young and old employees.[11] The other type of Swedish payroll tax is the income tax withheld (PAYE), which consists of municipal, county, and, for higher income brackets, state tax. In most municipalities, the income tax comes to approximately 30 percent, with the two higher income brackets paying a total of 50 or 55 percent respectively. The combination of the two types is a total tax effect of 47 to 66 percent.
Example of salary taxation through PAYE[edit]
Assumptions: income tax (direct, 32%), employer social fee (indirect, 31.42%)

For a pay of 100, the employee first pays 32 in income tax (direct, 32%); on top of that, the employer pays an additional 31.42 in employer's social fees (indirect, 31.42%).

Thus, based on a pay check of 100, 63.42/131.42 (i.e., 48.3%) is paid as taxes, although the employer's contribution is a fee for the employee's adherence to the Swedish social security scheme. The effective rate may be lowered by, for example, earned income tax credits and private retirement savings contributions.

In addition, the employee pays 7 percent in pension contributions to the public system, with a cap at an annual income of 420,447 kr. Thus, the maximum employee contribution is 29,400 kr. The employee's contributions are fully tax-deductible.

Value added tax[edit]
The value added tax (mervärdesskatt or moms) rate in Sweden is 25%, with exceptions for food and services like hotel room rental fees (12%), and for sales of publications, admission tickets to cultural events and travel within Sweden (6%).[3]

[$1.00 = $0.12 Krona (kr)]
Income tax[edit]
Sweden has a progressive income tax, the rates for 2017 are as follows:

• 0% from 0 kr to 18,800 kr
• Circa 31% (ca. 7% county and 24% municipality tax): from 18,800 kr to 438,900 kr
• 31% + 20%: from 438,901 kr to 638,500 kr
• 31% + 25%: above 638,500 kr[4]

Capital Gains[edit]
Sweden has a flat tax rate of 30% for capital gains.[5]

Corporation tax[edit]
Sweden's corporation tax rate is 22%.[6]

 

[Markle]

All I want is a BETTER HC delivery insurance system,...We do NOT have it.

No, you don't, you want a system where other people pay for your health care and you get to choose what health care you receive.

 

[Markle]

Under the single-payer legislation in Congress (H.R. 676):

• Everyone would receive comprehensive healthcare coverage under single-payer;
• Care would be based on need, not on ability to pay;
• Employers would no longer be responsible for health care costs and coverage decisions;
• Single-payer would reduce costs by 24%, saving $829 billion in the first year by cutting administrative waste and allowing negotiation of prescription drugs (Friedman, 2013); and
• Single-payer would create savings for 95% of the population. Only the top 5% would pay slightly more. (Friedman, 2013)

If you believe this you are living on a wildly different planet.

The things in your dream world have certainly not happened anywhere else in the world. Just check the expenses in the Sweden example above.

If you consider those taxes, PLUS a 25% Value Added Tax creating savings for ANYONE, you're just beyond our solar system.

 

[Markle]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! HEALTH IS A HUMAN RIGHT!

Food and shelter are NOT human rights?

 

[Anathema]

Maybe you should learn what it is rather than share what you think it is.

You miss my point... so far as I'm concerned the Government has no legitimate place in the health care industry. Therefore I will not participate in any medical care system thst the Government is a party to. Regardless of how good or bad the system may be.

 

[nat4900]

Therefore I will not participate in any medical care system thst the Government is a party to.

So, for you.......Fuck Medicare, correct???.........LOL.

 

[Anathema]

So, for you.......Fuck Medicare, correct???.........LOL.

Yes. Social Security too. Both agencies have already been informed that I will be declining their services when I reach that age.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

In what way is single payer a "hand out"?

Do you have to do anything other thsn show up with valid citizenship to get it?... Nope.

That makes it either a Right or a handout. Since we all know the US Constitution never indicates and Right to healthcare and a basic history lesson shows thst healthcare was never considered a Right until very recently... It must be a handout.

You have to pay for it, fool. Who ever said it was free?

its what you libs assume--------------that it will be free for you because you don't work and pay no taxes. You assholes assume that only the evil rich will have to pay. But you assume that because you are too stupid to understand how it really works in places like Sweden. Everyone pays--------------there is no minimum income for paying taxes, and the taxes are around 65% of your gross income. Socialism does not work, never has, never will.

its what you libs assume

No, it's what you assume, retard.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So, for you.......Fuck Medicare, correct???.........LOL.

Yes. Social Security too. Both agencies have already been informed that I will be declining their services when I reach that age.

Tips hat...
A quick and quiet death for ya, then.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

of course it is. the payer is the US government. No one else pays the VA. Do you understand what the words "single payer" mean, gnat?

Mr. Tuna, you are an idiot......

Veterans HAVE already paid for the health care through sacrificing their limbs and often, their minds through their military service.

So, yes, the VA health care is strictly the responsibility of our government to spend the tax dollars to take care of them.

sure, our vets have "paid" with their service. But in the context of single payer (as all intelligent humans understand the meaning of those words) it means that the only (single) payer of money for vets medical care is the government.

your attempt at convoluted logic just confirms my nickname for you------------gnat.

IOW it hurts my head so shut up.