Since the Liberals Suddenly Embrace "Competition & Choice"...

[KittenKoder]

It's Easy to Observe Examples of it... Detroit is a good place to Start...

New Ahlins was too... Then Katrina Scattered the Evidence of what the DemocRATS had Done all over the Country...

Let Liberal DemocRATS have Absolute Power and Control, and they will Destroy Entire Communities, Cities, and even States.



peace...

Not entirely, let anyone have absolute power and the US will fall, period. The government as a whole is grasping for absolute power now, not just the Democrats, it's all the politicians.

More than Not, the Areas of Failure in this Society are Primarily DemocRAT Run...

They Breed Dependence and their Constituency Predictably Votes for MORE of it...



peace...

No, areas of failure are extremes on any side.

 

[mal]

Not entirely, let anyone have absolute power and the US will fall, period. The government as a whole is grasping for absolute power now, not just the Democrats, it's all the politicians.

More than Not, the Areas of Failure in this Society are Primarily DemocRAT Run...

They Breed Dependence and their Constituency Predictably Votes for MORE of it...



peace...

No, areas of failure are extremes on any side.

Examples on the Right...

I gave you (2) on the Left... And that's NOT even Close to all...



peace...

 

[Coyote]

More than Not, the Areas of Failure in this Society are Primarily DemocRAT Run...

They Breed Dependence and their Constituency Predictably Votes for MORE of it...



peace...

No, areas of failure are extremes on any side.

Examples on the Right...

I gave you (2) on the Left... And that's NOT even Close to all...



peace...

...examples of Rightwing failure...?

...recent collapse of the financial industry after decades of systemic deregulation and hands-off free market competition.

 

[mal]

No, areas of failure are extremes on any side.

Examples on the Right...

I gave you (2) on the Left... And that's NOT even Close to all...



peace...

...examples of Rightwing failure...?

...recent collapse of the financial industry after decades of systemic deregulation and hands-off free market competition.

Not Analgous, nor do I Take your Assertion as Accurate... That's for another Thread.

We are Discussing Political Control over Regions... Like Detroit.



peace...

 

[KittenKoder]

More than Not, the Areas of Failure in this Society are Primarily DemocRAT Run...

They Breed Dependence and their Constituency Predictably Votes for MORE of it...



peace...

No, areas of failure are extremes on any side.

Examples on the Right...

I gave you (2) on the Left... And that's NOT even Close to all...



peace...

I'd let you know when the "right" has all power, but I promise you that no extreme is good no matter what side it is. It's the extremes that have ruined this country, not the parties.

 

[Coyote]

Examples on the Right...

I gave you (2) on the Left... And that's NOT even Close to all...



peace...

...examples of Rightwing failure...?

...recent collapse of the financial industry after decades of systemic deregulation and hands-off free market competition.

Not Analgous, nor do I Take your Assertion as Accurate... That's for another Thread.

We are Discussing Political Control over Regions... Like Detroit.



peace...

You're challange is fallacious because correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation. Are economically depressed cities in bad shape because of Democratic control or do economically depessed areas tend to vote Democratic and populist? Statistically - urban areas tend towards the Democratic party.


Among the most economically depressed cities controlled by Democrats:

St. Louis, MO, New Orleans, Detroit, Flint, MI, Cleveland, Philadelphia. However linking it to Democratic control is tenuous since Detroit and Flint were both heavily influenced by the auto industry troubles.

Yet, in a recent survey of the ten best large cities in the U.S. we have:
San Diego (both)
Austin, TX (D), Raleigh, NC (D), Omaha, NE (D)
Mesa, AZ (R), Colorado Springs, CO (R), Virginia Beach, VA (R)

In addition, a look at the states provides a different picture - a ranking of states with the largest number of citizens living below the poverty level gives us:
# 1 Mississippi: 21.6%
# 2 Louisiana: 19.4%
# 3 New Mexico: 19.3%
# 4 District of Columbia: 18.9%
= 5 Arkansas: 17.9%
= 5 West Virginia: 17.9%
# 7 Kentucky: 17.4%
# 8 Texas: 16.6%
# 9 Alabama: 16.1%
# 10 South Carolina: 15.7%

Source: Percent below poverty level (most recent) by state

How many Democrats and how many Republicans?

A look at unemployment by state presents gives us a similar picture: Unemployment rates - Unemployment rates by state from CNNMoney

So do you really think party control has much to do with it or maybe a more complex mix of regional politics, geography, and economic conditions unrelated to politics?


Chaos

 

[Midnight Marauder]

A look at unemployment by state presents gives us a similar picture: Unemployment rates - Unemployment rates by state from CNNMoney

It does?

1 MICHIGAN 9.6
2 RHODE ISLAND 9.3
3 CALIFORNIA 8.4
4 SOUTH CAROLINA 8.4
5 OREGON 8.1
6 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 8
7 NEVADA 8
9 NORTH CAROLINA 7.9
10 GEORGIA 7.5

 

[mal]

No, areas of failure are extremes on any side.

Examples on the Right...

I gave you (2) on the Left... And that's NOT even Close to all...



peace...

I'd let you know when the "right" has all power, but I promise you that no extreme is good no matter what side it is. It's the extremes that have ruined this country, not the parties.

There are only Examples of Communities, Cities and States being Run into the Ground by Majority DemocRAT Control...

From Cali to Gary...



peace...

 

[mal]

...examples of Rightwing failure...?

...recent collapse of the financial industry after decades of systemic deregulation and hands-off free market competition.

Not Analgous, nor do I Take your Assertion as Accurate... That's for another Thread.

We are Discussing Political Control over Regions... Like Detroit.



peace...

You're challange is fallacious because correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation. Are economically depressed cities in bad shape because of Democratic control or do economically depessed areas tend to vote Democratic and populist? Statistically - urban areas tend towards the Democratic party.


Among the most economically depressed cities controlled by Democrats:

St. Louis, MO, New Orleans, Detroit, Flint, MI, Cleveland, Philadelphia. However linking it to Democratic control is tenuous since Detroit and Flint were both heavily influenced by the auto industry troubles.

Yet, in a recent survey of the ten best large cities in the U.S. we have:
San Diego (both)
Austin, TX (D), Raleigh, NC (D), Omaha, NE (D)
Mesa, AZ (R), Colorado Springs, CO (R), Virginia Beach, VA (R)

In addition, a look at the states provides a different picture - a ranking of states with the largest number of citizens living below the poverty level gives us:
# 1 Mississippi: 21.6%
# 2 Louisiana: 19.4%
# 3 New Mexico: 19.3%
# 4 District of Columbia: 18.9%
= 5 Arkansas: 17.9%
= 5 West Virginia: 17.9%
# 7 Kentucky: 17.4%
# 8 Texas: 16.6%
# 9 Alabama: 16.1%
# 10 South Carolina: 15.7%

Source: Percent below poverty level (most recent) by state

How many Democrats and how many Republicans?

A look at unemployment by state presents gives us a similar picture: Unemployment rates - Unemployment rates by state from CNNMoney

So do you really think party control has much to do with it or maybe a more complex mix of regional politics, geography, and economic conditions unrelated to politics?


Chaos

Yeah, and Boulder is Nice and Wealthy and Liberal as Hell...

I didn't say EVERY City Controlled by DemocRATS is Shit, but the ones that are have been for Generations...

And the Policies that Breed this Failure have come since and before LBJ.

Trying this Crap on a Large Scale will have the same Results on a Large Scale...

When I am Right, EVERYONE Loses...

But please, Experiment away!... You have 3/3's Control!



peace...

 

[Ravi]

You know mal, you'd be more interesting if you didn't keep regurgitating Rush's talking points. We've all heard them before. Also, the term DemocRAT is immature and pegs you for the small minded partisan hack that you are...not to mention that it's as unoriginal as your regurgitated points.

 

[editec]

Since the Liberals Suddenly Embrace "Competition & Choice" regarding Healthcare, then why don't they go ahead and Advocate for the same for Public Schools?...

Of course what they and Obama are Proposing in Healthcare is NOT Competition, but since they are tossing it around like it is, I'd like them to Explain to me why "Competition and Choice" should not be Extended to Schooling.



peace...

That state of affairs already exists,doesn't it?

There are public schools which everybody can attend, and then there are private schools for those who want them and can afford them.

Is that essantially what the Obama plan is creating in HC?

Or have I completely missed your point, somehow?

 

[jillian]

Also, the term DemocRAT is immature and pegs you for the small minded partisan hack that you are...not to mention that it's as unoriginal as your regurgitated points.

well, at least it's truth in advertising...

 

[jillian]

Since the Liberals Suddenly Embrace "Competition & Choice" regarding Healthcare, then why don't they go ahead and Advocate for the same for Public Schools?...

Of course what they and Obama are Proposing in Healthcare is NOT Competition, but since they are tossing it around like it is, I'd like them to Explain to me why "Competition and Choice" should not be Extended to Schooling.



peace...

That state of affairs already exists,doesn't it?

There are public schools which everybody can attend, and then there are private schools for those who want them and can afford them.

Is that essantially what the Obama plan is creating in HC?

Or have I completely missed your point, somehow?

it is what obama's plan is creating. But I figure he's talking about vouchers for parochial schools so we can pay for the religious indoctrination of his children....

 

[editec]

Cooyote so nailed it, I think.

The factors that cause local economies are so much more complex whether they're a than Red state or Blue state.

For example, most economic activity actually happens in the cities, and I think we probably can all agree that cities tend to vote more heavily democratic than rural areas.

But to leap from that truth to the conclusion that the economy activity (or lack of it) is the direct or even an indirect result of the Democratic or Republican leaning of the voters there is a bit of a stretch.

 

[007]

Sadly, not all of us are that intelligent yet. We may have to see the entire country collapse before most of us realize that the politicians don't want competition and choice.

I believe that's what we're witnessing at this very moment...

 

[xsited1]

Private schools already compete with public schools. Not very well around here as far as educational outcomes, but I assume they are making a profit.

Got a point?

You just made the point. Private schools destroy public schools as far as educational outcomes are concerned. Even Obama understands this.

 

[jillian]

Private schools already compete with public schools. Not very well around here as far as educational outcomes, but I assume they are making a profit.

Got a point?

You just made the point. Private schools destroy public schools as far as educational outcomes are concerned. Even Obama understands this.

I think he was saying that where he is private schools DON'T compete well with public schools. In NY it depends on where you live and whether your child qualifies for specialized programs by either being gifted and talented or having special needs. I think sometimes the average kids get a little lost in the system.

But, ultimately, it comes down to whethe you wand the public school system destroyed by taking all funding out of it and shifting it to private institutions.

I'm against. And I'm particularly against taking money out of public schools and illegally supporting religious institutions. You?

 

[xsited1]

Private schools already compete with public schools. Not very well around here as far as educational outcomes, but I assume they are making a profit.

Got a point?

You just made the point. Private schools destroy public schools as far as educational outcomes are concerned. Even Obama understands this.

I think he was saying that where he is private schools DON'T compete well with public schools. In NY it depends on where you live and whether your child qualifies for specialized programs by either being gifted and talented or having special needs. I think sometimes the average kids get a little lost in the system.

But, ultimately, it comes down to whethe you wand the public school system destroyed by taking all funding out of it and shifting it to private institutions.

I'm against. And I'm particularly against taking money out of public schools and illegally supporting religious institutions. You?

Ah. My mistake.

Yes, I'm against any school voucher program whatsoever.

 

[dilloduck]

Since the Liberals Suddenly Embrace "Competition & Choice" regarding Healthcare, then why don't they go ahead and Advocate for the same for Public Schools?...

Of course what they and Obama are Proposing in Healthcare is NOT Competition, but since they are tossing it around like it is, I'd like them to Explain to me why "Competition and Choice" should not be Extended to Schooling.



peace...

That state of affairs already exists,doesn't it?

There are public schools which everybody can attend, and then there are private schools for those who want them and can afford them.

Is that essantially what the Obama plan is creating in HC?

Or have I completely missed your point, somehow?

nope--you nailed it. Promotion of class warfare.
The ones who are successful playing capitalism can buy get any health care they want--they just also have to shell out to pay for a socialist heaelthcare system for those who can't or won't play.

 

[Care4all]

Schools should not be a for profit enterprise.

Why?...



peace...

Because then they would actually be answerable to the customers, and wouldn't be free to indoctrinate instead of educate!

Silly wabbit!

are health insurance companies answerable to the customers? Or do they just do what they please, in order to be profitable?