Show Me the Fossils!

[alang1216]

its not important to you because it debunks your whole narrative,,

without millions of yrs evolution falls flat on its face as the biggest joke ever played on humanity,,

Really? I note you didn't answer my question about the age of the Earth. Maybe we need to start there. How old is the Earth and why do you believe so?

 

[alang1216]

do you have any proof its billions of yrs old??

I didnt think so,,

Would you settle for evidence like a scientist would?

• radioisotope dating
• stratigraphy
• mountain building
• plate tectonics
• biology

But I'm guessing nothing will be enough for you since you already know all the answers.

 

[alang1216]

Actually, it is measured in eras based on the fossil record.

Me thinks your claim to being a geologist are a fib.

Really? How many weeks did the Permian last?

Me thinks your claim to being a geologist are a fib.

 

[Hollie]

Exactly. They create the "fossils" and then ask us to pretend that they discovered the fossils.

Creationers have some really over the rainbow, aint' comin' back, loopy conspiracy theories.

 

[occupied]

Science in the hands of a creationist is a deliberate look through the wrong end of a telescope to find God.

 

[progressive hunter]

Really? I note you didn't answer my question about the age of the Earth. Maybe we need to start there. How old is the Earth and why do you believe so?

I dont know how old it is and due to the flawed testing from those that claim they do I dont trust or believe their numbers either,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Would you settle for evidence like a scientist would?

• radioisotope dating
• stratigraphy
• mountain building
• plate tectonics
• biology

But I'm guessing nothing will be enough for you since you already know all the answers.

how do any of those tell you the age of the planet??

most of those can change in minutes to days,,

and the isotope tests have been flawed to many times for them to be trusted,, and thats not even getting into the fact the tests were designed to give a predetermined date when the evos went to other scientist and asked for a test to confirm our dating,,,

 

[Hollie]

how do any of those tell you the age of the planet??

most of those can change in minutes to days,,

and the isotope tests have been flawed to many times for them to be trusted,, and thats not even getting into the fact the tests were designed to give a predetermined date when the evos went to other scientist and asked for a test to confirm our dating,,,

More of the conspiracy theories that seem to define creationers in the science forum.

 

[Likkmee]

I've asked several times in other threads for Darwinians to show me the fossils that prove that Darwin's ideas have been scientifically proven.

So far, what I've been shown are illustrations, i.e. drawings of fossils (often hypothetical), hypothetical "family trees," that have changed decade by decade (through debate, not discovery), and the occasional photograph of bone fragments propped up with frames or filled in with some kind of modelling material (clay, plaster, or epoxy resin, I'd guess).

Here's an example from Scientific American, no less:

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OK, that is pretty convincing, right? The face is relatively flat, rather than elongated as are the faces of most animals who rely more heavily on sense of smell than do humans. But the brain case is relatively small, a more ape-like trait. Viola! The long sought Missing Link!

But . . . look at the fine print:

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It's a composite reconstruction. It's a drawing of how the artist imagines a collection of bone fragments might look IF it were one complete skull. Now this seems a pretty skilled drawing. Not a Da Vinci, but the work of a competent commercial artist. But that artist was not given a collection of bones and told, "draw us what these bones would look like." Or if they were, of course they would have asked, "what are you going for here?" The quick answer: "You know, an ape-man. The missing link."

I picture the artist saying, "So, Luca Brasi meets Mighty Joe Young. Gotcha."

Anyway, to repeat the challenge:

Show me a photograph of fossils, with no filler and no frame and explain how they "prove" the Darwinian theory of evolution via natural selection.

Thank you.

 

[alang1216]

I dont know how old it is and due to the flawed testing from those that claim they do I dont trust or believe their numbers either,,,

"Flawed testing"? Please explain.

You don't know how old it is so it could well be 4.5 billion, you just don't know. Is that right?

 

[progressive hunter]

"Flawed testing"? Please explain.

You don't know how old it is so it could well be 4.5 billion, you just don't know. Is that right?

it could be 10K,, whats your point??

did you know if you test the same object twice you get two different results??

did you know that an object tested cant be tracked back to the date of exposer???
that means the test cant be trusted because the rate of decay cant be tracked,,

I can list several other flaws in isotope testing but whats the use,, youve made it clear your mind is made up,,

 

[alang1216]

how do any of those tell you the age of the planet??

most of those can change in minutes to days,,

Really? So a mountain can form and erode in minutes to days? Oceans can form in minutes to days? Pegmatite can form in minutes to days? Thousands of individual rock layers can form in minutes to days? Somehow I don't think so.

and the isotope tests have been flawed to many times for them to be trusted,, and thats not even getting into the fact the tests were designed to give a predetermined date when the evos went to other scientist and asked for a test to confirm our dating,,,

Yes, it is all a grand conspiracy to fool you even though the scientists don't get any benefit.

 

[alang1216]

it could be 10K,, whats your point??

did you know if you test the same object twice you get two different results??

did you know that an object tested cant be tracked back to the date of exposer???
that means the test cant be trusted because the rate of decay cant be tracked,,

I can list several other flaws in isotope testing but whats the use,, youve made it clear your mind is made up,,

I'd be happy to review any links you care to offer but you'll understand if I don't just take your word since you've made it clear your mind is made up.

 

[westwall]

Really? How many weeks did the Permian last?

Me thinks your claim to being a geologist are a fib.

Weeks? Don't be stupid. The Permian, the last PERIOD of the Paleozoic ERA, spanned about 47 million years.

You don't even know the language


DURRRRRR

 

[progressive hunter]

Really? So a mountain can form and erode in minutes to days? Oceans can form in minutes to days? Pegmatite can form in minutes to days? Thousands of individual rock layers can form in minutes to days? Somehow I don't think so.


Yes, it is all a grand conspiracy to fool you even though the scientists don't get any benefit.

I guess youve never heard of earthquakes or volcanoes,,

how would you know what a scientist thinks benefits them??

how about you prove my clams wrong instead of deflecting??

 

[progressive hunter]

I'd be happy to review any links you care to offer but you'll understand if I don't just take your word since you've made it clear your mind is made up.

so you tell me how the decay rate of an object claimed to be 2 million yrs old is tracked??

 

[westwall]

it could be 10K,, whats your point??

did you know if you test the same object twice you get two different results??

did you know that an object tested cant be tracked back to the date of exposer???
that means the test cant be trusted because the rate of decay cant be tracked,,

I can list several other flaws in isotope testing but whats the use,, youve made it clear your mind is made up,,

No, the Earth is very, very, very old. Four to five billion years old depending on who's estimates you prefer.

 

[progressive hunter]

No, the Earth is very, very, very old. Four to five billion years old depending on who's estimates you prefer.

estimates are just another way to say a guess,,,

tell me did someone find a built on date somewhere??

 

[alang1216]

Weeks? Don't be stupid. The Permian, the last PERIOD of the Paleozoic ERA, spanned about 47 million years.

So you agree that geologic time is generally measured in increments of a million of years. Thanks.

 

[alang1216]

I guess youve never heard of earthquakes or volcanoes,,

I heard of both. Do you have any example of either creating mountains in a short time?

The Himalayas are almost 9 km high and are rising at the rate of 1 cm/year. I'll let you do the math after you add in the time it would take to erode that 9 km range. Hint: the answer is in the millions of years.

Ocean spreading occurs at the rate your fingernails grow so the Atlantic took 60 million years to grow to its current size.

how would you know what a scientist thinks benefits them??

Confirming the work of another scientist is useful, disproving the work of generations of scientist will make you rich and famous.

how about you prove my clams wrong instead of deflecting??

Done. You're welcome.