Should Trump agree to an interview with Mueller? (w/poll)

[bripat9643]

Most Americans don’t realize Robert Mueller’s investigation has uncovered crimes

17 indictments and five guilty pleas so far.
By Matthew Yglesias@mattyglesiasmatt@vox.com May 23, 2018, 11:00am EDT

New Poll: Most Americans don’t realize Robert Mueller’s investigation has uncovered crimes

and

Even FOX News minus the Celebrity Loons who host programs admit facts

Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far? POLITICS June 15th

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election is ongoing – and secret.

So far, four former Trump campaign associates – Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Richard Gates and George Papadopoulos – have been charged, though none of the charges are directly related to any misconduct by the president's campaign.

Alex van der Zwaan, an attorney, pleaded guilty to lying to FBI investigators during the investigation, and was sentenced to 30 days in prison in April 2018. He was the first to be sentenced in the probe.

The special counsel filed new tax evasion and bank fraud charges against Manafort and Gates in late February, potentially increasing the amount of prison time the pair could face if convicted at trial. The charges are similar to those filed in October.


Here's a closer look at those who have faced charges throughout Mueller's probe.
Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far?

13 of these "crimes" were just tossed out the window. The remaining charges have nothing to do with "collusion."

This thing is a farce.

It's not over shithead

13 Indictments of Trump's Russian pals
What Mueller's Indictment Reveals - The Atlantic

It's over, turd:

Mueller’s Concord Mismanagement Is Convulsing

Playing his own Russian card left him vulnerable to “graymail” that’s turning into his undoing.

On February 16, 2018, Special Counsel Robert Mueller obtained a federal indictment of 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian companies for conspiring to wage “information warfare” by “impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the United States by dishonest means in order to enable Defendants to interfere with U.S. political processes, including the 2016 presidential election.”

The media heralded the indictment as a major achievement by Team Mueller. But a few observers questioned whether Mueller truly expected any of the defendants to appear in a U.S. court to answer the charges. Others asked if the indictment was merely an empty public relations gesture by the special counsel’s office attempting to show that its investigation was producing solid results.

Against all expectations, in April 2018, lawyers for one of the Russian corporate defendants, Concord Management and Consulting, LLC (“Concord”), entered their appearances in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. They then served extensive discovery requests on Team Mueller seeking full disclosure of the government’s case and investigation including sensitive national security and intelligence information.

This type of discovery is called “graymail,” in which the government must disclose closely guarded state secrets in order to proceed with the prosecution. The alternative is to drop the charges.


So, should Team Mueller bother to litigate the discovery requests? The maximum penalty against Concord is a $500,000 fine or compensation to anyone damaged by the alleged conspiracy. But these may be mere theoretical penalties since there appears to be no way for the government to levy Concord’s assets in Russia. In short, even if the prosecution wins at trial, no one will go to prison and the fines may be uncollectible. So what’s the point of the exercise?

If the Muellerites lose the discovery litigation and are faced with having to disclose sensitive intelligence about the case and their investigation, should they withdraw the indictment against Concord? And, if they drop the charges, are they prepared for the resulting public relations disaster?

Bottom line: how did such a purportedly smart bunch of lawyers get themselves into this fix?​

 

[Uncensored2008]

The "statement of offense" is proof of absolutely nothing, moron.

The "Judge" of the Inquisition kangaroo court was forcibly recused. He was biased and corrupt. The party has yet to appoint a new judge to the Inquisition, so the Flynn plea deal, based on the coerced confession, is in limbo. VERY likely that the plea deal will be vacated due to malicious prosecution on the part of the Inquisition along with coercion by the Grand Inquisitor and his thugs.

A lot of people have called on the President to pardon the General, but I think that would be a mistake. Flynn is a shit bomb that is primed to explode in the face of Mewler-Torquemada and the entire Inquisition. Let Mewler eat shit.

 

[bripat9643]

I want Trump impeached, then the impeachment sent to Congress and then Congress in one loud voice says-------

***Trump you are fired!!!!!***​

I think Trump being impeached would do more damage to this country than leaving him in office as a lame duck would.

Trump is the best thing to happen to this country since Reagan, so impeaching him would obviously damage the country.

 

[bripat9643]

Sure they can . One pleads out to save money. Forced.

Sorry, that is still not "forced". And the evidence that he lied is all public record at this point anyway so you sound Goofy.

Yes, that is forced, you Stalinist asshole.

No, it isn't.

Of course it is, you fucking moron. Can Flynn give Mewler the middle finger salute as an answer? Obviously not. that means it's forced.

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe Mewler isn't using force against Flynn.

It is not forced. He did not have to take a plea deal. Yes, Flynn lied. You might be the last person on the planet not to accept this simple fact.

You're a major fucking idiot. It's the same choice that a mugger gives you when he says "hand over your wallet or take a bullet in the belly." That's your conception of not being forced to hand over your wallet.

It's difficult to believe anyone could be as stupid as you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I want Trump impeached, then the impeachment sent to Congress and then Congress in one loud voice says-------

***Trump you are fired!!!!!***​

I think Trump being impeached would do more damage to this country than leaving him in office as a lame duck would.

Trump is the best thing to happen to this country since Reagan, so impeaching him would obviously damage the country.

I hope you brought enough pom-poms for the whole class, Becky.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sorry, that is still not "forced". And the evidence that he lied is all public record at this point anyway so you sound Goofy.

Yes, that is forced, you Stalinist asshole.

No, it isn't.

Of course it is, you fucking moron. Can Flynn give Mewler the middle finger salute as an answer? Obviously not. that means it's forced.

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe Mewler isn't using force against Flynn.

It is not forced. He did not have to take a plea deal. Yes, Flynn lied. You might be the last person on the planet not to accept this simple fact.

You're a major fucking idiot. It's the same choice that a mugger gives you when he says "hand over your wallet or take a bullet in the belly." That's your conception of not being forced to hand over your wallet.

It's difficult to believe anyone could be as stupid as you.

Yes, we understand your position. It is wrong and ridiculous. No need to repeat it ad nauseum, thanks.

 

[bripat9643]

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It is not forced. He did not have to take a plea deal. Yes, Flynn lied. You might be the last person on the planet not to accept this simple fact.

Not forced?

Didn't the Grand Inquisitor promise to put Flynn's son in prison and sell his grand children into slavery?

In fact he did. Torquemada knew that Flynn would not crack under direct torture, so he attacked Flynn's family.

Fucking scumbag that Mewler-Torquemada is.

It's hard to believe how stupid this shit-for-brains is. These imbeciles also believe income taxes are voluntary because the IRS says so.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, that is forced, you Stalinist asshole.

No, it isn't.

Of course it is, you fucking moron. Can Flynn give Mewler the middle finger salute as an answer? Obviously not. that means it's forced.

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe Mewler isn't using force against Flynn.

It is not forced. He did not have to take a plea deal. Yes, Flynn lied. You might be the last person on the planet not to accept this simple fact.

You're a major fucking idiot. It's the same choice that a mugger gives you when he says "hand over your wallet or take a bullet in the belly." That's your conception of not being forced to hand over your wallet.

It's difficult to believe anyone could be as stupid as you.

Yes, we understand your position. It is wrong and ridiculous. No need to repeat it ad nauseum, thanks.

It's as obviously right as the nose on my face. It's also obvious that you're an idiot.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Of course it is, you fucking moron. Can Flynn give Mewler the middle finger salute as an answer? Obviously not. that means it's forced.

Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador and disclosed that he is cooperating with the special counsel's office.

Flynn was not forced to lie. This he did willingly and knowingly
BTW: if you have children, please don't teach them how to use the middle finger, they may in turn use it on you

in my view
no animosity intended or implied

 

[bripat9643]

Of course it is, you fucking moron. Can Flynn give Mewler the middle finger salute as an answer? Obviously not. that means it's forced.

Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador and disclosed that he is cooperating with the special counsel's office.

Flynn was not forced to lie. This he did willingly and knowingly
BTW: if you have children, please don't teach them how to use the middle finger, they may in turn use it on you

in my view
no animosity intended or implied

You're too fucking stupid to bother with a substantive response.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So, let's review:

1) no charges,much less any guilty plea = Hillary is guilty

2) Flynn pleads guilty = Flynn is innocent

One cannot really have an honest discussion with someone so willing to distort reality.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Didn't the Grand Inquisitor promise to put Flynn's son in prison and sell his grand children into slavery?

No, and you sound utterly insane.

You are of course a fucking liar.

{The culpability of and potential charges against Flynn’s son, based on public reports, is less clear. Media reports identify Flynn’s son as the Chief of Staff and principal aide to his father at Flynn Intel Group, his father’s consulting and lobbying firm. Reporting further reflects that Flynn’s son attended a December 2015 dinner in Moscow with his father, who sat at a table with Russia’s President; that Russian television network RT paid for Flynn’s son’s travel to Moscow, and RT begrudgingly registered in early November 2017 as a foreign agent under FARA; Flynn Intel Group received $530,000 for work benefitting the Turkish government; and work for Turkish interests relating to Fethullah Gulen, the United States resident Turkish cleric accused of fomenting an attempted coup in 2016. Flynn’s son’s attending meetings and communicating with clients are not, of themselves, criminal offenses. Rather, prosecutors will need evidence of Flynn’s son’s actual intentional participation in criminal acts or his intentionally conspiring with his father to commit a criminal act, in order to bring criminal charges.}

Will Michael Flynn Plead Guilty And Cooperate To Protect His Son?


{
Flynn plead guilty after Mueller threatened Flynn’s family, including his son Michael Jr. According to sources close to Flynn family, Mueller threatened Flynn on multiple occasions that if he did not plead guilty to lying to the FBI, Mueller would investigate other Flynn family members.

Including his son. And rack up thousands more dollars in legal fees.

“I didn’t do anything illegal so this notion that one of the thing the Special Counsel could do to get my father to accept a plea deal was threaten me has always been odd,” Michael Flynn Jr. told True Pundit.

Odd but true nonetheless.

A close family associate said Mueller and his team even threatened Flynn Jr. during a meeting with Gen. Flynn in the same room. Mueller’s apparent goal with the threats was to cause additional stress in the Flynn family as well as hike Flynn’s legal fees which were already bankrupting the family, sources said.

“Between the threats and the finances, he (Gen. Flynn) had to make a deal to put the brakes on this,” a family associate said. “This has nothing to do with guilt. This was survival.”}

Gen. Flynn Signed Guilty Plea After Mueller Threatened His Family, Son; Thug Tactics Coerced Plea Deal – True Pundit

The Grand Inquisitor made a credible threat that he would put Flynn's son in prison, and have his grand children put into the foster system (sold into slavery.)

{
Mueller's focus on Flynn Jr. might be a tactic to coerce Flynn into cooperating with the investigation, a report said citing some legal experts.

The senior Flynn's concern would "factor into" how he engages with Mueller's investigation. Flynn's wife Lori too has expressed the same concern about Flynn Jr.'s possible legal exposure, CNN reported citing a person who knows the family.

Flynn Jr. might be in possible danger as Mueller has already collected enough evidence to bring charges against him as well as his father, according to an NBC News report from Nov. 5. and this evidence relates to the Flynns' undisclosed lobbying efforts for a businessman having ties with the Turkish government in 2016, while Flynn was still an adviser to then presidential candidate Donald Trump. }

Why Michael Flynn Jr Is Threatened By Robert Mueller's Russia Probe

 

[bripat9643]

So, let's review:

1) no charges,much less any guilty plea = Hillary is guilty

2) Flynn pleads guilty = Flynn is innocent

One cannot really have an honest discussion with someone so willing to distort reality.

True. You never have an honest discussion with anyone.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I want Trump impeached, then the impeachment sent to Congress and then Congress in one loud voice says-------

***Trump you are fired!!!!!***​

I think Trump being impeached would do more damage to this country than leaving him in office as a lame duck would.

Trump is the best thing to happen to this country since Reagan, so impeaching him would obviously damage the country.

The goal of the democrats is to end the country, the Constitution and the grand experiment in self government.

 

[JBvM]

Most Americans don’t realize Robert Mueller’s investigation has uncovered crimes

17 indictments and five guilty pleas so far.
By Matthew Yglesias@mattyglesiasmatt@vox.com May 23, 2018, 11:00am EDT

New Poll: Most Americans don’t realize Robert Mueller’s investigation has uncovered crimes

and

Even FOX News minus the Celebrity Loons who host programs admit facts

Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far? POLITICS June 15th

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election is ongoing – and secret.

So far, four former Trump campaign associates – Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Richard Gates and George Papadopoulos – have been charged, though none of the charges are directly related to any misconduct by the president's campaign.

Alex van der Zwaan, an attorney, pleaded guilty to lying to FBI investigators during the investigation, and was sentenced to 30 days in prison in April 2018. He was the first to be sentenced in the probe.

The special counsel filed new tax evasion and bank fraud charges against Manafort and Gates in late February, potentially increasing the amount of prison time the pair could face if convicted at trial. The charges are similar to those filed in October.


Here's a closer look at those who have faced charges throughout Mueller's probe.
Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far?

13 of these "crimes" were just tossed out the window. The remaining charges have nothing to do with "collusion."

This thing is a farce.

It's not over shithead

13 Indictments of Trump's Russian pals
What Mueller's Indictment Reveals - The Atlantic

It's over, turd:

Mueller’s Concord Mismanagement Is Convulsing

Playing his own Russian card left him vulnerable to “graymail” that’s turning into his undoing.

On February 16, 2018, Special Counsel Robert Mueller obtained a federal indictment of 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian companies for conspiring to wage “information warfare” by “impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the United States by dishonest means in order to enable Defendants to interfere with U.S. political processes, including the 2016 presidential election.”

The media heralded the indictment as a major achievement by Team Mueller. But a few observers questioned whether Mueller truly expected any of the defendants to appear in a U.S. court to answer the charges. Others asked if the indictment was merely an empty public relations gesture by the special counsel’s office attempting to show that its investigation was producing solid results.

Against all expectations, in April 2018, lawyers for one of the Russian corporate defendants, Concord Management and Consulting, LLC (“Concord”), entered their appearances in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. They then served extensive discovery requests on Team Mueller seeking full disclosure of the government’s case and investigation including sensitive national security and intelligence information.

This type of discovery is called “graymail,” in which the government must disclose closely guarded state secrets in order to proceed with the prosecution. The alternative is to drop the charges.


So, should Team Mueller bother to litigate the discovery requests? The maximum penalty against Concord is a $500,000 fine or compensation to anyone damaged by the alleged conspiracy. But these may be mere theoretical penalties since there appears to be no way for the government to levy Concord’s assets in Russia. In short, even if the prosecution wins at trial, no one will go to prison and the fines may be uncollectible. So what’s the point of the exercise?

If the Muellerites lose the discovery litigation and are faced with having to disclose sensitive intelligence about the case and their investigation, should they withdraw the indictment against Concord? And, if they drop the charges, are they prepared for the resulting public relations disaster?

Bottom line: how did such a purportedly smart bunch of lawyers get themselves into this fix?​

Spectator?

 

[Sahba]

Should he?

I say yes, as the investigation is meant to get to the truth. Trump's interview will advance that goal.

That is so F'n naive on so many levels... ROTFL !!!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Of course it is, you fucking moron. Can Flynn give Mewler the middle finger salute as an answer? Obviously not. that means it's forced.

Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador and disclosed that he is cooperating with the special counsel's office.

Flynn was not forced to lie. This he did willingly and knowingly
BTW: if you have children, please don't teach them how to use the middle finger, they may in turn use it on you

in my view
no animosity intended or implied

{Former FBI director James Comey told lawmakers last March that the FBI agents who interviewed retired Gen. Michael Flynn, who briefly served in the Trump White House, said Flynn did not lie to them — which contradicts what the Russia probe has concluded.}

Report: Comey Told Lawmakers Flynn Didn't Lie to FBI

Flynn didn't lie.

Torquemada tortured the children of Flynn to coerce a confession.

 

[watchingfromafar]

That is so F'n naive on so many levels... ROTFL !!!

Why don't you do the interview on his behalf based on your integrity and honesty and above all good looks?

 

[watchingfromafar]

The goal of the democrats is to end the country, the Constitution and the grand experiment in self government.

As a bystander who just wants to set the truth straight, soely on your behalf I corrected your misstated post below------

The goal of the republicans is to end the country, the Constitution and the grand experiment in self government.

 

[Sahba]

That is so F'n naive on so many levels... ROTFL !!!

Why don't you do the interview on his behalf based on your integrity and honesty and above all good looks?

What? Do you want us here on USMB to take you seriously? Kind of hard to do with the above drivel ... lol Good thing I don't play the sexist card from your own 'progressive playbook'.