Should race-baiting demagogues share blame for two murdered NYPD cops?
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Asclepias
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Thats dumb. Blacks would all have jobs and keep on producing the things they want.
Clementine
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What did Limbaugh have to do with that?Just as soon as Rush Limbaugh takes responsibility for the Oklahoma City Bombing
The OKC bombing was motivated by the WACO massacre.
He talked about Waco on his radio show, and blamed the federal government, so--according to the logic of the OP--he is to blame.
Did he lead idiots in a chant that went, "What do we want? Dead government workers. When do we want it? Now."
No, he and others rightfully criticized the disastrous way WACO was handled. The talk centered around the fact that there was too much force and too much violence. Sharpton's talk is directly intended to incite anger at entire groups.
Little-Acorn
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But Sharpton, Matthews and their ilk won't be.
Again, how long will we tolerate people telling flagrant lies to whip up their hatred and resentment?
candycorn
Diamond Member
Did you comment on Muds claim that blacks are the problem?
MikeK
Gold Member
The concern you've outlined does not call for or justify a 3AM, "no-knock," door-busting, SWAT raid when the reason for the police attention is minor drug activity or something equally petty.
There was a time when these raids were the exception. Today they are an increasing rule. There is an article associated with the CATO map which I'm sure you will find interesting. I suggest you read it.
I believe police safety is a legitimate concern. But it does not take precedence over safeguards which exist for the purpose of avoiding a drift toward police state conditions -- which these unnecessary SWAT raids unquestionably manifest.
The excuse typically put forth to justify these raids is to avoid drug suspects destroying evidence if the police knock on the door. But in my opinion this utterly useless and counterproductive drug war is not worth sacrificing the atmosphere of freedom.
Keep in mind that police aggression is not self-limiting, and what they are doing to someone else today they will be doing to you tomorrow. If not for petty drugs then for something equally minor.
SWAT raids are for dealing with dangerous public enemies -- not minor, non-violent offenders.
thanatos144
Gold Member
Gee teach kids that cops hate you because of the color of your skin and if they become cops they are traitors or house ******* and you idiots are shocked that the thug culture is prevalent?
ChrisL
Diamond Member
I think they only do that when they expect a person (or persons) to be armed and dangerous and to put up a fight. People with a history of assault and battery on the police and things like that. I don't think they use SWAT teams for run-of-the-mill warrants.
Of course, years ago, there would be fewer raids. We have more people now. More people equals more criminals. Wouldn't you want to the best protection available if you were having to go into an unknown situation like that? Or would you say, meh, I don't need any of that. I trust criminals.
Carib Gyal
VIP Member
I don't think most decent people are shocked. I think they're pissed.
thanatos144
Gold Member
This is bad parenting. End of story.
MikeK
Gold Member
The problem is when a race riot erupts one's ethnicity is one's uniform, like it or not. And the innocent always suffer along with the guilty under those kill-or-be-killed circumstances.
candycorn
Diamond Member
I am not picking your post out to 'argue with" but there is a "set up" quality to your post.
Why are there slums? I'm not saying this is the only reason but our criminal justice system does seem to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. First if you look at the Stop and Frisk laws in New York:
If yous top 5 times as many blacks and 3 times as many latinos as you do whites, you're going to end up with more blacks and latinos doing time.
Next lets look at sentencing:
In the states listed, nearly 4 out of 10 more blacks than whites are sentenced to life without parole meaning they won't be there for their kids.
But it extends beyond there.
Even minor crimes (in comparison) come with catches (again, if you are white, you're a 1/10 to get frisked vs 6/10 for blacks). If you can post bail, you come back for trial where, if you're guilty, you're often assessed a fine that accrues annually
Sentenced to debt Some tossed in prison over unpaid fines - NBC News
As Court Fees Rise The Poor Are Paying The Price NPR
Welcome to Prison. Will You Be Paying Cash or Credit TIME.com
Anyway, slums are dangerous because of crime. Crime is there because there are so few fathers are a part of their kids lives....
Statistics
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
- 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
Now let me stress that if you're guilty of a crime, you should do the sentence. I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any probation or paroles. It's unfair to the victims of the crimes!!!
But we obviously have a system of justice that isn't appled equally. If we were to start doing that...perhaps the slums would be smaller and perhaps less scary.
Kosh
Quick Look Over There!
And this thread proves once again that that the far left will never admit to be wrong, they would much rather watch the world burn and continue to post their programmed propaganda to support their religious beliefs.
thanatos144
Gold Member
Having the minority society kill itself to them isn't a mistake but a result they are gleeful about
ChrisL
Diamond Member
I am not picking your post out to 'argue with" but there is a "set up" quality to your post.
Why are there slums? I'm not saying this is the only reason but our criminal justice system does seem to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. First if you look at the Stop and Frisk laws in New York:
If yous top 5 times as many blacks and 3 times as many latinos as you do whites, you're going to end up with more blacks and latinos doing time.
Next lets look at sentencing:
In the states listed, nearly 4 out of 10 more blacks than whites are sentenced to life without parole meaning they won't be there for their kids.
But it extends beyond there.
Even minor crimes (in comparison) come with catches (again, if you are white, you're a 1/10 to get frisked vs 6/10 for blacks). If you can post bail, you come back for trial where, if you're guilty, you're often assessed a fine that accrues annually
Sentenced to debt Some tossed in prison over unpaid fines - NBC News
As Court Fees Rise The Poor Are Paying The Price NPR
Welcome to Prison. Will You Be Paying Cash or Credit TIME.com
Anyway, slums are dangerous because of crime. Crime is there because there are so few fathers are a part of their kids lives....
Statistics
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
- 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
Father Factor in Education - Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
Now let me stress that if you're guilty of a crime, you should do the sentence. I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any probation or paroles. It's unfair to the victims of the crimes!!!
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
But we obviously have a system of justice that isn't appled equally. If we were to start doing that...perhaps the slums would be smaller and perhaps less scary.
I agree with much of this. Very informative post. However, I think there are multiple factors involved.
I think the problem with the justice system, rather than color or race, is more money. Money talks in our justice system, obviously. Look at what the celebrities or rich can get away with that the rest of us would be thrown into jail for. Why? Because they have the money to buy the best lawyers while the poor people are stuck with the crappiest court-appointed lawyers who aren't really very motivated to put up a good defense.
candycorn
Diamond Member
I am not picking your post out to 'argue with" but there is a "set up" quality to your post.
Why are there slums? I'm not saying this is the only reason but our criminal justice system does seem to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. First if you look at the Stop and Frisk laws in New York:
If yous top 5 times as many blacks and 3 times as many latinos as you do whites, you're going to end up with more blacks and latinos doing time.
Next lets look at sentencing:
In the states listed, nearly 4 out of 10 more blacks than whites are sentenced to life without parole meaning they won't be there for their kids.
But it extends beyond there.
Even minor crimes (in comparison) come with catches (again, if you are white, you're a 1/10 to get frisked vs 6/10 for blacks). If you can post bail, you come back for trial where, if you're guilty, you're often assessed a fine that accrues annually
Sentenced to debt Some tossed in prison over unpaid fines - NBC News
As Court Fees Rise The Poor Are Paying The Price NPR
Welcome to Prison. Will You Be Paying Cash or Credit TIME.com
Anyway, slums are dangerous because of crime. Crime is there because there are so few fathers are a part of their kids lives....
Statistics
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
- 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
Father Factor in Education - Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
Now let me stress that if you're guilty of a crime, you should do the sentence. I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any probation or paroles. It's unfair to the victims of the crimes!!!
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
But we obviously have a system of justice that isn't appled equally. If we were to start doing that...perhaps the slums would be smaller and perhaps less scary.
I agree with much of this. Very informative post. However, I think there are multiple factors involved.
I think the problem with the justice system, rather than color or race, is more money. Money talks in our justice system, obviously. Look at what the celebrities or rich can get away with that the rest of us would be thrown into jail for. Why? Because they have the money to buy the best lawyers while the poor people are stuck with the crappiest court-appointed lawyers who aren't really very motivated to put up a good defense.
I'm not certain what you mean by "get away with". OJ may have beat the murder rap but everyone knew he was guilty. His civil suit was lost by OJ and he's now in jail because of larceny of all things. Wesley Snipes went to prison if not mistaken. Martha Stewart went to Prison. Christian Slater went to Prison. I won't go into how many presumably well off politicians are sitting in jail right now or athletes--special point about athletes however...for a lot of them this is their first brush with the law and some leniency is to be expected. Celebrity may play a role as well.
As for the OP subject...it gets into the political somewhat I suppose but one of the reasons blacks (the majority of) and Latinos (the majority of) are experiencing generational poverty is that we incarcerate the non-White people for longer sentences than we do Caucasians. This is the function of the juries and it is also the function of the idiotic fees and payments that we force people to make. Not only are you serving a sentence but you often have to pay a fine or restitution beyond that. And when you can't make he payment, you are further incarcerated.
The net result is that the children of incarcerated blacks and Latinos grow up fatherless. So guess what happens...they either turn to a life of crime or they are not instructed what it takes to raise a family....they drop out of school to take a $10.00 an hour job because the money seems pretty sweet living at home. In the real world, you'll need serious welfare to help you make it on $10 an hour unless you're uniquely equipped to live on less.
Obviously, there are people of all races who when facing the specter of being there and paying for a child who are going to split regardless of gender or race. And if they were equipped in both areas, they still wouldn't want to do it. Further, a 4 year old knows the difference between right and wrong and if you break the law, you should be put away for the sentence given--but that sentence should be the same for everyone.
Meathead
Diamond Member
I've seldom seen such a train wreck of gobbledygook.
I am not picking your post out to 'argue with" but there is a "set up" quality to your post.
Why are there slums? I'm not saying this is the only reason but our criminal justice system does seem to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. First if you look at the Stop and Frisk laws in New York:
If yous top 5 times as many blacks and 3 times as many latinos as you do whites, you're going to end up with more blacks and latinos doing time.
Next lets look at sentencing:
In the states listed, nearly 4 out of 10 more blacks than whites are sentenced to life without parole meaning they won't be there for their kids.
But it extends beyond there.
Even minor crimes (in comparison) come with catches (again, if you are white, you're a 1/10 to get frisked vs 6/10 for blacks). If you can post bail, you come back for trial where, if you're guilty, you're often assessed a fine that accrues annually
Sentenced to debt Some tossed in prison over unpaid fines - NBC News
As Court Fees Rise The Poor Are Paying The Price NPR
Welcome to Prison. Will You Be Paying Cash or Credit TIME.com
Anyway, slums are dangerous because of crime. Crime is there because there are so few fathers are a part of their kids lives....
Statistics
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
- 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
Father Factor in Education - Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
Now let me stress that if you're guilty of a crime, you should do the sentence. I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any probation or paroles. It's unfair to the victims of the crimes!!!
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
But we obviously have a system of justice that isn't appled equally. If we were to start doing that...perhaps the slums would be smaller and perhaps less scary.
I agree with much of this. Very informative post. However, I think there are multiple factors involved.
I think the problem with the justice system, rather than color or race, is more money. Money talks in our justice system, obviously. Look at what the celebrities or rich can get away with that the rest of us would be thrown into jail for. Why? Because they have the money to buy the best lawyers while the poor people are stuck with the crappiest court-appointed lawyers who aren't really very motivated to put up a good defense.
I'm not certain what you mean by "get away with". OJ may have beat the murder rap but everyone knew he was guilty. His civil suit was lost by OJ and he's now in jail because of larceny of all things. Wesley Snipes went to prison if not mistaken. Martha Stewart went to Prison. Christian Slater went to Prison. I won't go into how many presumably well off politicians are sitting in jail right now or athletes--special point about athletes however...for a lot of them this is their first brush with the law and some leniency is to be expected. Celebrity may play a role as well.
As for the OP subject...it gets into the political somewhat I suppose but one of the reasons blacks (the majority of) and Latinos (the majority of) are experiencing generational poverty is that we incarcerate the non-White people for longer sentences than we do Caucasians. This is the function of the juries and it is also the function of the idiotic fees and payments that we force people to make. Not only are you serving a sentence but you often have to pay a fine or restitution beyond that. And when you can't make he payment, you are further incarcerated.
The net result is that the children of incarcerated blacks and Latinos grow up fatherless. So guess what happens...they either turn to a life of crime or they are not instructed what it takes to raise a family....they drop out of school to take a $10.00 an hour job because the money seems pretty sweet living at home. In the real world, you'll need serious welfare to help you make it on $10 an hour unless you're uniquely equipped to live on less.
Obviously, there are people of all races who when facing the specter of being there and paying for a child who are going to split regardless of gender or race. And if they were equipped in both areas, they still wouldn't want to do it. Further, a 4 year old knows the difference between right and wrong and if you break the law, you should be put away for the sentence given--but that sentence should be the same for everyone.
ChrisL
Diamond Member
I am not picking your post out to 'argue with" but there is a "set up" quality to your post.
Why are there slums? I'm not saying this is the only reason but our criminal justice system does seem to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. First if you look at the Stop and Frisk laws in New York:
If yous top 5 times as many blacks and 3 times as many latinos as you do whites, you're going to end up with more blacks and latinos doing time.
Next lets look at sentencing:
In the states listed, nearly 4 out of 10 more blacks than whites are sentenced to life without parole meaning they won't be there for their kids.
But it extends beyond there.
Even minor crimes (in comparison) come with catches (again, if you are white, you're a 1/10 to get frisked vs 6/10 for blacks). If you can post bail, you come back for trial where, if you're guilty, you're often assessed a fine that accrues annually
Sentenced to debt Some tossed in prison over unpaid fines - NBC News
As Court Fees Rise The Poor Are Paying The Price NPR
Welcome to Prison. Will You Be Paying Cash or Credit TIME.com
Anyway, slums are dangerous because of crime. Crime is there because there are so few fathers are a part of their kids lives....
Statistics
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
- 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
Father Factor in Education - Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
Now let me stress that if you're guilty of a crime, you should do the sentence. I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any probation or paroles. It's unfair to the victims of the crimes!!!
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
But we obviously have a system of justice that isn't appled equally. If we were to start doing that...perhaps the slums would be smaller and perhaps less scary.
I agree with much of this. Very informative post. However, I think there are multiple factors involved.
I think the problem with the justice system, rather than color or race, is more money. Money talks in our justice system, obviously. Look at what the celebrities or rich can get away with that the rest of us would be thrown into jail for. Why? Because they have the money to buy the best lawyers while the poor people are stuck with the crappiest court-appointed lawyers who aren't really very motivated to put up a good defense.
I'm not certain what you mean by "get away with". OJ may have beat the murder rap but everyone knew he was guilty. His civil suit was lost by OJ and he's now in jail because of larceny of all things. Wesley Snipes went to prison if not mistaken. Martha Stewart went to Prison. Christian Slater went to Prison. I won't go into how many presumably well off politicians are sitting in jail right now or athletes--special point about athletes however...for a lot of them this is their first brush with the law and some leniency is to be expected. Celebrity may play a role as well.
As for the OP subject...it gets into the political somewhat I suppose but one of the reasons blacks (the majority of) and Latinos (the majority of) are experiencing generational poverty is that we incarcerate the non-White people for longer sentences than we do Caucasians. This is the function of the juries and it is also the function of the idiotic fees and payments that we force people to make. Not only are you serving a sentence but you often have to pay a fine or restitution beyond that. And when you can't make he payment, you are further incarcerated.
The net result is that the children of incarcerated blacks and Latinos grow up fatherless. So guess what happens...they either turn to a life of crime or they are not instructed what it takes to raise a family....they drop out of school to take a $10.00 an hour job because the money seems pretty sweet living at home. In the real world, you'll need serious welfare to help you make it on $10 an hour unless you're uniquely equipped to live on less.
Obviously, there are people of all races who when facing the specter of being there and paying for a child who are going to split regardless of gender or race. And if they were equipped in both areas, they still wouldn't want to do it. Further, a 4 year old knows the difference between right and wrong and if you break the law, you should be put away for the sentence given--but that sentence should be the same for everyone.
Look, the bottom line is money. It doesn't matter if you are black or white anymore. MONEY talks. We have black and white people throughout government and justice system. I don't buy your "systemic racism" bull crap.
candycorn
Diamond Member
I am not picking your post out to 'argue with" but there is a "set up" quality to your post.
Why are there slums? I'm not saying this is the only reason but our criminal justice system does seem to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. First if you look at the Stop and Frisk laws in New York:
If yous top 5 times as many blacks and 3 times as many latinos as you do whites, you're going to end up with more blacks and latinos doing time.
Next lets look at sentencing:
In the states listed, nearly 4 out of 10 more blacks than whites are sentenced to life without parole meaning they won't be there for their kids.
But it extends beyond there.
Even minor crimes (in comparison) come with catches (again, if you are white, you're a 1/10 to get frisked vs 6/10 for blacks). If you can post bail, you come back for trial where, if you're guilty, you're often assessed a fine that accrues annually
Sentenced to debt Some tossed in prison over unpaid fines - NBC News
As Court Fees Rise The Poor Are Paying The Price NPR
Welcome to Prison. Will You Be Paying Cash or Credit TIME.com
Anyway, slums are dangerous because of crime. Crime is there because there are so few fathers are a part of their kids lives....
Statistics
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
- 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
Father Factor in Education - Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
Now let me stress that if you're guilty of a crime, you should do the sentence. I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any probation or paroles. It's unfair to the victims of the crimes!!!
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
But we obviously have a system of justice that isn't appled equally. If we were to start doing that...perhaps the slums would be smaller and perhaps less scary.
I agree with much of this. Very informative post. However, I think there are multiple factors involved.
I think the problem with the justice system, rather than color or race, is more money. Money talks in our justice system, obviously. Look at what the celebrities or rich can get away with that the rest of us would be thrown into jail for. Why? Because they have the money to buy the best lawyers while the poor people are stuck with the crappiest court-appointed lawyers who aren't really very motivated to put up a good defense.
I'm not certain what you mean by "get away with". OJ may have beat the murder rap but everyone knew he was guilty. His civil suit was lost by OJ and he's now in jail because of larceny of all things. Wesley Snipes went to prison if not mistaken. Martha Stewart went to Prison. Christian Slater went to Prison. I won't go into how many presumably well off politicians are sitting in jail right now or athletes--special point about athletes however...for a lot of them this is their first brush with the law and some leniency is to be expected. Celebrity may play a role as well.
As for the OP subject...it gets into the political somewhat I suppose but one of the reasons blacks (the majority of) and Latinos (the majority of) are experiencing generational poverty is that we incarcerate the non-White people for longer sentences than we do Caucasians. This is the function of the juries and it is also the function of the idiotic fees and payments that we force people to make. Not only are you serving a sentence but you often have to pay a fine or restitution beyond that. And when you can't make he payment, you are further incarcerated.
The net result is that the children of incarcerated blacks and Latinos grow up fatherless. So guess what happens...they either turn to a life of crime or they are not instructed what it takes to raise a family....they drop out of school to take a $10.00 an hour job because the money seems pretty sweet living at home. In the real world, you'll need serious welfare to help you make it on $10 an hour unless you're uniquely equipped to live on less.
Obviously, there are people of all races who when facing the specter of being there and paying for a child who are going to split regardless of gender or race. And if they were equipped in both areas, they still wouldn't want to do it. Further, a 4 year old knows the difference between right and wrong and if you break the law, you should be put away for the sentence given--but that sentence should be the same for everyone.
Look, the bottom line is money. It doesn't matter if you are black or white anymore. MONEY talks. We have black and white people throughout government and justice system. I don't buy your "systemic racism" bull crap.
Facts do not cease to be facts because you find them inconvenient.
ChrisL
Diamond Member
I am not picking your post out to 'argue with" but there is a "set up" quality to your post.
Why are there slums? I'm not saying this is the only reason but our criminal justice system does seem to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. First if you look at the Stop and Frisk laws in New York:
If yous top 5 times as many blacks and 3 times as many latinos as you do whites, you're going to end up with more blacks and latinos doing time.
Next lets look at sentencing:
In the states listed, nearly 4 out of 10 more blacks than whites are sentenced to life without parole meaning they won't be there for their kids.
But it extends beyond there.
Even minor crimes (in comparison) come with catches (again, if you are white, you're a 1/10 to get frisked vs 6/10 for blacks). If you can post bail, you come back for trial where, if you're guilty, you're often assessed a fine that accrues annually
Sentenced to debt Some tossed in prison over unpaid fines - NBC News
As Court Fees Rise The Poor Are Paying The Price NPR
Welcome to Prison. Will You Be Paying Cash or Credit TIME.com
Anyway, slums are dangerous because of crime. Crime is there because there are so few fathers are a part of their kids lives....
Statistics
- 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
- 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
- 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
- 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
Father Factor in Education - Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
- 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
- Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
Now let me stress that if you're guilty of a crime, you should do the sentence. I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any probation or paroles. It's unfair to the victims of the crimes!!!
- 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
But we obviously have a system of justice that isn't appled equally. If we were to start doing that...perhaps the slums would be smaller and perhaps less scary.
I agree with much of this. Very informative post. However, I think there are multiple factors involved.
I think the problem with the justice system, rather than color or race, is more money. Money talks in our justice system, obviously. Look at what the celebrities or rich can get away with that the rest of us would be thrown into jail for. Why? Because they have the money to buy the best lawyers while the poor people are stuck with the crappiest court-appointed lawyers who aren't really very motivated to put up a good defense.
I'm not certain what you mean by "get away with". OJ may have beat the murder rap but everyone knew he was guilty. His civil suit was lost by OJ and he's now in jail because of larceny of all things. Wesley Snipes went to prison if not mistaken. Martha Stewart went to Prison. Christian Slater went to Prison. I won't go into how many presumably well off politicians are sitting in jail right now or athletes--special point about athletes however...for a lot of them this is their first brush with the law and some leniency is to be expected. Celebrity may play a role as well.
As for the OP subject...it gets into the political somewhat I suppose but one of the reasons blacks (the majority of) and Latinos (the majority of) are experiencing generational poverty is that we incarcerate the non-White people for longer sentences than we do Caucasians. This is the function of the juries and it is also the function of the idiotic fees and payments that we force people to make. Not only are you serving a sentence but you often have to pay a fine or restitution beyond that. And when you can't make he payment, you are further incarcerated.
The net result is that the children of incarcerated blacks and Latinos grow up fatherless. So guess what happens...they either turn to a life of crime or they are not instructed what it takes to raise a family....they drop out of school to take a $10.00 an hour job because the money seems pretty sweet living at home. In the real world, you'll need serious welfare to help you make it on $10 an hour unless you're uniquely equipped to live on less.
Obviously, there are people of all races who when facing the specter of being there and paying for a child who are going to split regardless of gender or race. And if they were equipped in both areas, they still wouldn't want to do it. Further, a 4 year old knows the difference between right and wrong and if you break the law, you should be put away for the sentence given--but that sentence should be the same for everyone.
Look, the bottom line is money. It doesn't matter if you are black or white anymore. MONEY talks. We have black and white people throughout government and justice system. I don't buy your "systemic racism" bull crap.
Facts do not cease to be facts because you find them inconvenient.
They aren't facts. There are many possible causative factors, and most of it has to do with money. Just because you want to try and correlate it to race, doesn't make it so.
IF what you claimed is true, then OJ Simpson would have received a kangaroo court, and he would have been CONVICTED for murdering two white people. However, he was loaded at the time, could afford the best defense team (or allegedly the best - lol) that money could buy. It had NOTHING to do with the color of his skin!!??
Inconvenient? Not.
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