Should middle school students be allowed to wear leggings at school?

[Esmeralda]

Here is a picture of an ACTUAL 4th grade teacher, taking selfies while in the classroom. She's looking like she's ready for the club, not the classroom!

One person, one person. You definitely couldn't be a teacher because you don't know anything about research or logic. One anecdotal example does not a logical argument make.

 

[Esmeralda]

In today's world where teachers and students actually have AFFAIRS (as pathetic as that is), then it is only appropriate that they should all have to wear uniforms. School shouldn't be a fashion show anyways. All of that takes away from the learning environment and is nothing but a big distraction.

Teachers haveing sexual relations with students isn't common and it is not the atmosphere of schools these days. It is extraordinarily rare. "In fall 2017, about 50.7 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools in America." How many events in 2017 involving students and teachers being sexually involved did you hear about? Even if it were 100, which it probably wasn't anywhere near. 100 would be 0.0002% of 50 million. It's a very small pecentage. So, please, have some common sense: there is no environment where teachers are having sex with students, and teachers are not wearing provocative clothing to work.

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

YES. For some (many actually) jobs you are required to wear a uniform! Are you serious?

Tell me what professionals with college degrees are required to wear a uniform to work?

 

[Esmeralda]

In today's world where teachers and students actually have AFFAIRS (as pathetic as that is), then it is only appropriate that they should all have to wear uniforms. School shouldn't be a fashion show anyways. All of that takes away from the learning environment and is nothing but a big distraction.

Teachers haveing sexual relations with students isn't common and it is not the atmosphere of schools these days. It is extraordinarily rare. "In fall 2017, about 50.7 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools in America." How many events in 2017 involving students and teachers being sexually involved did you hear about? Even if it were 100, which it probably wasn't anywhere near. 100 would be 0.0002% of 50 million. It's a very small pecentage. So, please, have some common sense: there is no environment where teachers are having sex with students, and teachers are not wearing provocative clothing to work.

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

ABUSE of teachers? Holy shit lady. Get a grip.

No, that is not an exaggeration. Americans treat teachers abusively. No respect for them at all. It's the only country that I know of that does it. You treat them worse than you would your maid or baby sitter.

 

[ChrisL]

In today's world where teachers and students actually have AFFAIRS (as pathetic as that is), then it is only appropriate that they should all have to wear uniforms. School shouldn't be a fashion show anyways. All of that takes away from the learning environment and is nothing but a big distraction.

Teachers haveing sexual relations with students isn't common and it is not the atmosphere of schools these days. It is extraordinarily rare. "In fall 2017, about 50.7 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools in America." How many events in 2017 involving students and teachers being sexually involved did you hear about? Even if it were 100, which it probably wasn't anywhere near. 100 would be 0.0002% of 50 million. It's a very small pecentage. So, please, have some common sense: there is no environment where teachers are having sex with students, and teachers are not wearing provocative clothing to work.

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

ABUSE of teachers? Holy shit lady. Get a grip.

No, that is not an exaggeration. Americans treat teachers abusively. No respect for them at all. It's the only country that I know of that does it. You treat them worse than you would your maid or baby sitter.

How so?

 

[Esmeralda]

Let Me Google That

There aren't any statistics on it as there are too few incidents for a study to be worthwhile.

 

[ChrisL]

Let Me Google That

There aren't any statistics on it as there are too few incidents for a study to be worthwhile.

If you just google it, then a lot of cases come up. Pages and pages and pages of them.

Let Me Google That

 

[ChrisL]

I support uniforms because:

1. It would create a more productive learning environment and be less distracting for students (especially male students).
2. I think it would actually be a lot cheaper for a lot of parents when it comes time to "back to school clothes shopping."
3. It creates less competition and division amongst the children, especially when it comes to the super rich kids whose parents can afford all the latest fashion trends, to the poorest ones who are looked down upon for not having those "designer labels."
4. No students robbing other students for their sneakers.

The only con I see with uniforms is that it limits freedom of self expression but that is just not always appropriate in a school environment. Besides that, you have all the time outside of the classroom to express your individuality through your clothing (or lack of) choices. So for me, the pros far outweigh the cons, and that is why I support uniforms in school for both students and staff.

Not looking to "abuse" anyone.

 

[ChrisL]

Sorry, the laundry argument is SO lame. Lol. You have to wash your regular clothes too! I'm sorry, but that is a really POOR argument.

 

[Esmeralda]

Teachers haveing sexual relations with students isn't common and it is not the atmosphere of schools these days. It is extraordinarily rare. "In fall 2017, about 50.7 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools in America." How many events in 2017 involving students and teachers being sexually involved did you hear about? Even if it were 100, which it probably wasn't anywhere near. 100 would be 0.0002% of 50 million. It's a very small pecentage. So, please, have some common sense: there is no environment where teachers are having sex with students, and teachers are not wearing provocative clothing to work.

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

ABUSE of teachers? Holy shit lady. Get a grip.

No, that is not an exaggeration. Americans treat teachers abusively. No respect for them at all. It's the only country that I know of that does it. You treat them worse than you would your maid or baby sitter.

How so?

Why Do Americans Love to Blame Teachers So Much?

Want to Reduce the Teacher Shortage? Treat Teachers Like Professionals - NEA Today
"But here’s the thing: Improving many workplace conditions, giving teachers a voice, treating them as professionals doesn’t have to cost money. It’s a management issue. Now, it may not be expensive, but that doesn’t make it easy. This is not Singapore or Finland or Korea. Teaching is not held in high esteem in this country."

Just look at how you are treating teachers: Thinking they should wear a uniform like people who work at McDonalds or airline stewards. Thinking they are wearing skimpy, provocative clothing and seducing your kids. Thinking they don't care about education, only money. What a joke that is. They are extremely under paid compared to what other college grads make. Blaming all the problems of America's education on them instead of a society that prduces children with a myriad of social and emotional problems. Look at how people on this board continually talk about teachers: you don't think it is abusive? Then you are wearing blinders.

 

[ChrisL]

In today's world where teachers and students actually have AFFAIRS (as pathetic as that is), then it is only appropriate that they should all have to wear uniforms. School shouldn't be a fashion show anyways. All of that takes away from the learning environment and is nothing but a big distraction.

Teachers haveing sexual relations with students isn't common and it is not the atmosphere of schools these days. It is extraordinarily rare. "In fall 2017, about 50.7 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools in America." How many events in 2017 involving students and teachers being sexually involved did you hear about? Even if it were 100, which it probably wasn't anywhere near. 100 would be 0.0002% of 50 million. It's a very small pecentage. So, please, have some common sense: there is no environment where teachers are having sex with students, and teachers are not wearing provocative clothing to work.

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

ABUSE of teachers? Holy shit lady. Get a grip.

No, that is not an exaggeration. Americans treat teachers abusively. No respect for them at all. It's the only country that I know of that does it. You treat them worse than you would your maid or baby sitter.

I would say that the police are FAR more abused AND they have to wear uniforms too!

 

[Marion Morrison]

No..real life. Apparently that teacher had some issues. She also had an incredible body. I wasn't involved, yet I know what happened.

Yes, I remember little boys who made up all kinds of farfetched stories as well.

No, really Chris, this did happen.

If everyone who claimed this was telling the truth, then almost ALL female teachers would be in jail! Come on now, you believe the stories your 12-year-old buddies told you?

More than 12. 15-16. Yes, yes I do about that. I know many things. I really don't want to say why, just that I do, and have good reason.

Oh okay then. Totally believable.

 

[Esmeralda]

I support uniforms because:

1. It would create a more productive learning environment and be less distracting for students (especially male students).
2. I think it would actually be a lot cheaper for a lot of parents when it comes time to "back to school clothes shopping."
3. It creates less competition and division amongst the children, especially when it comes to the super rich kids whose parents can afford all the latest fashion trends, to the poorest ones who are looked down upon for not having those "designer labels."
4. No students robbing other students for their sneakers.

The only con I see with uniforms is that it limits freedom of self expression but that is just not always appropriate in a school environment. Besides that, you have all the time outside of the classroom to express your individuality through your clothing (or lack of) choices. So for me, the pros far outweigh the cons, and that is why I support uniforms in school for both students and staff.

Not looking to "abuse" anyone.

Well you are doing it anyway. Congratulations.

 

[Esmeralda]

Teachers haveing sexual relations with students isn't common and it is not the atmosphere of schools these days. It is extraordinarily rare. "In fall 2017, about 50.7 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools in America." How many events in 2017 involving students and teachers being sexually involved did you hear about? Even if it were 100, which it probably wasn't anywhere near. 100 would be 0.0002% of 50 million. It's a very small pecentage. So, please, have some common sense: there is no environment where teachers are having sex with students, and teachers are not wearing provocative clothing to work.

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

ABUSE of teachers? Holy shit lady. Get a grip.

No, that is not an exaggeration. Americans treat teachers abusively. No respect for them at all. It's the only country that I know of that does it. You treat them worse than you would your maid or baby sitter.

I would say that the police are FAR more abused AND they have to wear uniforms too!

Cops don't have college degrees dear. Teachers don't go to college for 6 years to have to wear uniforms to work. All American teachers have at least a bachelors and most a masters or the equivalent because they are required to take continuing college level professional development courses to keep their licences active. Something else people in other professions are not required to do.

 

[Slade3200]

So it sounds like you don’t support a dress code in schools and want to leave it up to the parents... that’s fine but what of the point I made a few posts ago about creating an environment with a similar structure as the majority of professional work environments that’s school is supposed to be preparing our children for?

To do what? Legal has been off-shored, medical--specifically nursing is in the process of being destroyed, the IT sector has been nailed, banking has been outsourced and off-shored. R&D was off-shored some 20 years ago. The US is finally getting around to nanotechnology. The powers that be didn't see there was any profit to be made in robotics 30 years ago. And as everyone knows there is no shortage of teachers, ya just don't want to pay them. Fix that.

These are the most sought after foreign languages:
Foreign Language — Central Intelligence Agency

So, where are they in the schools? As a rule, there are two languages taught. One is Spanish and the other is French. Hell, there is a four year requirement in the district here but the Spanish teacher only does two years and the French teacher only does two years. The hell is that? Next county over you can learn Chinese in one of the high schools. It's one of the most overcrowded high schools. The kids are on top of each other and it is notorious for fights.

Coding..why is it not taught in the schools?

A minimum price tag to become a doctor or an attorney is $600,000

I live in an area where there are vo-techs that teach airplane mechanics, auto mechanics and nursing. Kids spend the last two years of high school going into that. There are a variety of after school clubs that the kids participate in but you have to be in high school for most of them. Robotics is one. Some schools have incorporated this into the class rooms but most do not. The last competition/meeting the DoD was scouting. YAG is another one. The kids go to the state house and write laws or lobby. They are required to wear suits. Mock Trial is another one. Depending on funding they actually teach a couple of law courses but most of the time it's all after school and most of the time it is all in high school.

But, do you know what these kids excel at? Taking tests. That is where the funding goes. Millions of dollars spent a year for testing that shows diddly squat.

These are decisions adults make. Until the adults are capable of addressing the above, then what is being asked for is nothing more than becoming obedient little robots. And that has already been achieved via testing and the factory model school.

Whats with the tangent? You just went off on a variety of subjects that have nothing to do with this discussion. I agree with many of your points by the way, but don't use outside economic conditions and shortcomings in todays educational system to divert from answering the question.

If you are trying to make the point that dress code etiquette shouldn't be in schools because it is no longer a part of our professional workplace or society then make that point. It sounded like you started going down that road saying that the professions I pointed out are being outsources or automated, is that really the point that you are trying to make?

 

[koshergrl]

In today's world where teachers and students actually have AFFAIRS (as pathetic as that is), then it is only appropriate that they should all have to wear uniforms. School shouldn't be a fashion show anyways. All of that takes away from the learning environment and is nothing but a big distraction.

Teachers haveing sexual relations with students isn't common and it is not the atmosphere of schools these days. It is extraordinarily rare. "In fall 2017, about 50.7 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools in America." How many events in 2017 involving students and teachers being sexually involved did you hear about? Even if it were 100, which it probably wasn't anywhere near. 100 would be 0.0002% of 50 million. It's a very small pecentage. So, please, have some common sense: there is no environment where teachers are having sex with students, and teachers are not wearing provocative clothing to work.

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

ABUSE of teachers? Holy shit lady. Get a grip.

No, that is not an exaggeration. Americans treat teachers abusively. No respect for them at all. It's the only country that I know of that does it. You treat them worse than you would your maid or baby sitter.

American teachers don't deserve respect. They've destroyed our schools.

Thank goodness the dept. of misinformation is getting a facelift...
Inside Betsy DeVos’s efforts to shrink the Education Department

"In all, the department has shed about 350 workers since December — nearly 8 percent of its staff — including political appointees. With buyouts offered to 255 employees in recent days, DeVos hopes to show even more staff the door.

 

[koshergrl]

Part of growing up is learning that everything isn't about you. We dress to a code as professionals and students because the clothes should not be the focus of attention in most of our lives. You dress in a subdued and modest way in order to show proper respect for institutions...of learning, of law, of whatever. If you dress like a ho in a courtroom, you are likely to receive an earful from the judge...who covers her own clothes with a sober robe in order to indicate authority...and to set the example that it is the law that is important in a courtroom..not the clothes.

The same thing goes for school..not that anybody expects an imbecile like esmeralda to know that. You don't go to school to make a statement about your fashion sense, or your body. You go there to be educated. Not to draw attention. Dress accordingly. You can dress like a hooker on your own time.

 

[Esmeralda]

Teachers haveing sexual relations with students isn't common and it is not the atmosphere of schools these days. It is extraordinarily rare. "In fall 2017, about 50.7 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools in America." How many events in 2017 involving students and teachers being sexually involved did you hear about? Even if it were 100, which it probably wasn't anywhere near. 100 would be 0.0002% of 50 million. It's a very small pecentage. So, please, have some common sense: there is no environment where teachers are having sex with students, and teachers are not wearing provocative clothing to work.

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

ABUSE of teachers? Holy shit lady. Get a grip.

No, that is not an exaggeration. Americans treat teachers abusively. No respect for them at all. It's the only country that I know of that does it. You treat them worse than you would your maid or baby sitter.

American teachers don't deserve respect. They've destroyed our schools.

Thank goodness the dept. of misinformation is getting a facelift...
Inside Betsy DeVos’s efforts to shrink the Education Department

"In all, the department has shed about 350 workers since December — nearly 8 percent of its staff — including political appointees. With buyouts offered to 255 employees in recent days, DeVos hopes to show even more staff the door.

Perfect example of how teachers in the US are treated abusively by Americans, and it comes most often from people who couldn't get a job as teacher anywhere on this planet at any level.

 

[Slade3200]

It is currently a dress code violation for students to wear uncovered leggings at public schools and many parents have been complaining about it. What are your thoughts about dress code rules in public schools?

I think American school kids should wear uniforms as is done in most countries around the world. It's just the best thing.

I think uniforms are fine for private institutions and I see the benefits in using them but they are too extreme for public schools, IMO. To me a dress code makes sense and provides a happy medium between free expression and discipline/respect for a work environment

 

[ChrisL]

I agree that it isn't common, but one time is one time too many. Besides that, middle school aged boys are very easily distracted by women, whether it be her legs, her breasts, whatever. Geesh, even full grown men are that way a lot of times! I don't see why anyone would be against uniforms in school. I think it would make for a more productive learning environment. There are a LOT more teachers in the world nowadays because there are more people in general, and unfortunately a lot of people have no class, no couth and no ethics.

Teachers are not children. Get that through your head. Are you required to wear a uniform to work? Do you have a master's degree or better? Do you really think it is appropropriate to humiliate professionals with university degrees by making them wear uniforms to work? Only Americans think that way. Incredible. When is the abuse of teachers in America going to stop?

ABUSE of teachers? Holy shit lady. Get a grip.

No, that is not an exaggeration. Americans treat teachers abusively. No respect for them at all. It's the only country that I know of that does it. You treat them worse than you would your maid or baby sitter.

I would say that the police are FAR more abused AND they have to wear uniforms too!

Cops don't have college degrees dear. Teachers don't go to college for 6 years to have to wear uniforms to work. All American teachers have at least a bachelors and most a masters or the equivalent because they are required to take continuing college level professional development courses to keep their licences active. Something else people in other professions are not required to do.

Oh, so you are saying that teachers are far too respectable for uniforms? I think not! Doctors and nurses also have to wear uniforms to work.

 

[ChrisL]

I support uniforms because:

1. It would create a more productive learning environment and be less distracting for students (especially male students).
2. I think it would actually be a lot cheaper for a lot of parents when it comes time to "back to school clothes shopping."
3. It creates less competition and division amongst the children, especially when it comes to the super rich kids whose parents can afford all the latest fashion trends, to the poorest ones who are looked down upon for not having those "designer labels."
4. No students robbing other students for their sneakers.

The only con I see with uniforms is that it limits freedom of self expression but that is just not always appropriate in a school environment. Besides that, you have all the time outside of the classroom to express your individuality through your clothing (or lack of) choices. So for me, the pros far outweigh the cons, and that is why I support uniforms in school for both students and staff.

Not looking to "abuse" anyone.

Well you are doing it anyway. Congratulations.

No, I'm not abusing anyone. Wearing a uniform to work is not abusive in any way.