Should Illegals who have Served in the U.S. Military be Granted Legal Status?

[Seymour Flops]

There immediate family members as well?

Here a Dem or "not Dem" congressdude presses Sec of DHS about some one veteran who was in the country illegally, served in the military, went on to commit crimes (drug offences), and was deported as a result of the crimes bringing his illegal status to the attention of the authorities.



He also brings up a father of three veterans who was arrested at an IHOP where he was working as a landscaper. Then an Irish legal immigrant who had been in jail for four months for writing two bad checks. She wasn't deported, she went to jail for check fraud.

A comment on his presentation: he led with the veteran, and it seems that the other examples, which were not veterans who had been deported, but other tales of woe about people who entered illegally and were sent back. That tells me that this congressman could only find a single example of a veteran being deported.

Still, one injustice is one injustice too many. Should this veteran be given automatic residence for serving? If so, under what conditions?

I'd be fine with carefully vetted veterans being given temporary legal status for the same length of time that they served, provided they committed no crimes, and did not join or support anti-American causes.

But all that would have to legislated. This congressman is trying to lay a guilt trip on Noem for enforcing laws that he, as a lawmaker has the power to try to change. She does not. I have no idea what he thinks Noem has to do with the check fraud case.

 

[fncceo]

Heinlein got it right!

 

[JGalt]

Illegals shouldn't allowed to serve in the first place. Obtaining citizenship should be a pre-requisite to performing military service, this isn't the crappy volunteer Army of the late 70's.

Go to Mexico and try to enlist in their military, and see what happens.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Heinlein got it right!

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A lot to be said for that model. Get some skin in the game and then you get to help make decisions about what government does and who runs government.

I hope you read the book, it is much more expansive on that particular theme.

 

[SaxonJackson]

"Should Illegals who have Served in the U.S. Military be Granted Legal Status?"​

If I clean toilets in the Royal Palace should I become a King?

Illegal invaders should never have been recruited into the Army in the first place.

 

[1srelluc]

Heinlein got it right!

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Damn, beat me to it!

 

[Crepitus]

There immediate family members as well?

Here a Dem or "not Dem" congressdude presses Sec of DHS about some one veteran who was in the country illegally, served in the military, went on to commit crimes (drug offences), and was deported as a result of the crimes bringing his illegal status to the attention of the authorities.



He also brings up a father of three veterans who was arrested at an IHOP where he was working as a landscaper. Then an Irish legal immigrant who had been in jail for four months for writing two bad checks. She wasn't deported, she went to jail for check fraud.

A comment on his presentation: he led with the veteran, and it seems that the other examples, which were not veterans who had been deported, but other tales of woe about people who entered illegally and were sent back. That tells me that this congressman could only find a single example of a veteran being deported.

Still, one injustice is one injustice too many. Should this veteran be given automatic residence for serving? If so, under what conditions?

I'd be fine with carefully vetted veterans being given temporary legal status for the same length of time that they served, provided they committed no crimes, and did not join or support anti-American causes.

But all that would have to legislated. This congressman is trying to lay a guilt trip on Noem for enforcing laws that he, as a lawmaker has the power to try to change. She does not. I have no idea what he thinks Noem has to do with the check fraud case.

Miguel Perez Jr. (Mexico): A U.S. Army veteran who served two tours in Afghanistan, he developed PTSD and a drug habit, leading to a cocaine conviction and deportation to Mexico.

Jose Barco (Colombia): A Purple Heart recipient injured by an IED in Iraq, Barco was deported to Colombia after serving time for drug charges, despite his severe combat injuries and PTSD.

Sae Joon Park (South Korea): A Purple Heart recipient who served in Panama, Park self-deported to Korea after a drug offense conviction, having lived in the U.S. since age 7.

Jose Marquez (Dominican Republic): A U.S. Army veteran deported to the Dominican Republic due to drug crime convictions after years of service.

Yes, they and their immediate family deserve citizenship.

 

[Crepitus]

Heinlein got it right!

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So, another person who misinterpreted the whole Starship Troopers thing.

What a surprise.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The issue of whether they should be allowed to serve or not aside, if someone signs up for military duty and willing to die for their country than yes, they should be fast tracked to citizenship.

What greater sacrifice could you ask of someone? What greater test of loyalty to a nation?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Miguel Perez Jr. (Mexico): A U.S. Army veteran who served two tours in Afghanistan, he developed PTSD and a drug habit, leading to a cocaine conviction and deportation to Mexico.

Jose Barco (Colombia): A Purple Heart recipient injured by an IED in Iraq, Barco was deported to Colombia after serving time for drug charges, despite his severe combat injuries and PTSD.

Sae Joon Park (South Korea): A Purple Heart recipient who served in Panama, Park self-deported to Korea after a drug offense conviction, having lived in the U.S. since age 7.

Jose Marquez (Dominican Republic): A U.S. Army veteran deported to the Dominican Republic due to drug crime convictions after years of service.

Heartbreaking stories.

Yes, they and their immediate family deserve citizenship.

So, have the Democrats or "not Democrats" in congress ever proposed such a law?

Would you have such a law specify "no matter what crimes they may commit subsequent to their service?"

 

[fncceo]

I hope you read the book

When I was 8-years old and pretty much every few years since then. One of my favorites and the movie DID NOT do it justice.

 

[fncceo]

Miguel Perez Jr. (Mexico): A U.S. Army veteran who served two tours in Afghanistan, he developed PTSD and a drug habit, leading to a cocaine conviction and deportation to Mexico

A convincing argument against sissies in combat.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Heartbreaking stories.

So, have the Democrats or "not Democrats" in congress ever proposed such a law?

Would you have such a law specify "no matter what crimes they may commit subsequent to their service?"

depends on what the drug charges were....was he dealing or was it a problem he had?.....if he was dealing then yes kick him out he abused his citizenship....drug issue with him no he stays and gets help........

 

[citygator]

The GOP wants brown people out. They say they are evicting criminals but they are just evicting kids, grandmas, military heroes and their families. The reason there is a process other than rounding up brown people is so the US can evaluate all claims. The GOP is an evil ******* cult that will die painfully in poverty as the GOP elite rape and pillage their own and I am here for the entertainment.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The GOP wants brown people out. They say they are evicting criminals but they are just evicting kids, grandmas, military heroes and their families. The reason there is a process other than rounding up brown people is so the US can evaluate all claims. The GOP is an evil ******* cult that will die painfully in poverty as the GOP elite rape and pillage their own and I am here for the entertainment.

just in another thread they called you guys the same thing...an evil ******* cult.....you people think a lot alike....

 

[citygator]

just in another thread they called you guys the same thing...an evil ******* cult.....you people think a lot alike....

derp dee derp. This thread is a perfect example of the overzealousness of the right to see suffering that they dont care who get caught up in it. However, they are so stupid they support a political party that continues to cut my taxes because they like to hurt brown folks. I am laughing at you guys all the way to the bank. Cha Ching Cha Ching.

 

[Polishprince]

Just because someone was in the military doesn't give them a free pass to disobey our laws and gain permanent residency that can't be revoked.

 

[Darkwind]

No.

Become a citizen the legal way first and then serve if that is your desire.

Serving in the military does not inoculate you from your crimes.

 

[Crepitus]

Heartbreaking stories.

So, have the Democrats or "not Democrats" in congress ever proposed such a law?

Would you have such a law specify "no matter what crimes they may commit subsequent to their service?"

IDK, dude. I'm not in congress. I don't get to propose laws.

If they serve the country honorably they should already be citizens, if they commit an offense after they should pay their debt to society as a citizen.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The GOP wants brown people out.

Grownups are talking here. Go play in the Rubber Room.